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Old 09-22-2012, 03:52 PM   #1
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One more reason to like ZL1 tranny in 1LE...

I want to buy a silver 1SS 1LE with dual mode exhaust when my son gets one year driving experience in April as insurance costs go will then go down significantly.

I looked through and searched the Camaro Issues/Problems forum for any reliability concerns I might have about buying a Camaro 1LE. The one thing that really got my attention was the 1st to 2nd shift grinding issue that some owners have had with their 6 speed transmissions. From the reading I've done on mustang forums, it appears the Tremec has far less shifting issues than the Chinese made Getrag 6 speed in the Gt and Boss 302.

Soooo, since the 1LE has the ZL1 transmission, I searched the ZL1 forum and through 20 plus pages I found no threads concerning shifting issues. This is comforting to me as perhaps Chevy instructed Tremec to make sure this problem would not rear its ugly head on a $55,000 Camaro. Different parts, materials or a slight change in design, maybe.

Is this just wishful thinking on my part... time for a Saturday afternoon beer... cheers to my fellow 1LE fans.
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:00 PM   #2
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The transmission in the 1LE is not the ZL1 transmission. ZL1 has the MG9, ,the 1LE has the MM6. I have heard that the MM6 is used in the ZO6.
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:26 PM   #3
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Ok , wishful thinking and misinformation... time for another beer...
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:57 PM   #4
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Ok , wishful thinking and misinformation... time for another beer...
They all use the Tr6060 but with different gear ratios.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:55 PM   #5
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My 2012 ss has the carbon blocker rings to eliminate the grinding. So far so good. Would think all 2012 and up has this fix
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:32 PM   #6
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The transmission in the 1LE is not the ZL1 transmission. ZL1 has the MG9, ,the 1LE has the MM6. I have heard that the MM6 is used in the ZO6.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:06 AM   #7
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I have a 2012 and my grinds but only are hard high rpm shifts
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:47 PM   #8
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Ok , wishful thinking and misinformation... time for another beer...
He said it has the Z06 transmission...pretty stout and tested I'd say.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:31 PM   #9
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I have a 2012 and my grinds but only are hard high rpm shifts
Sounds more like clutch not fully disengaging.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:44 PM   #10
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I have a 1le and so far I am not impressed with the 1st to 2nd. It isnt grinding but rather not letting me into 2nd. And when it does it will not grind or make a peep! Now if I sit at a red light hold the break and put it into first and then 2nd it will do the same thing resist the shift. But once I put it into first or 2nd once, go to neutral and try it again, it will go back into the same gear just fine. Same thing with down shifting to 2nd or 3rd, it will not allow me to go into that gear... until i hit a certin RPM or gas it up with the clutch in to it falls into place.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:47 PM   #11
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I have a 1le and so far I am not impressed with the 1st to 2nd. It isnt grinding but rather not letting me into 2nd. And when it does it will not grind or make a peep! Now if I sit at a red light hold the break and put it into first and then 2nd it will do the same thing resist the shift. But once I put it into first or 2nd once, go to neutral and try it again, it will go back into the same gear just fine. Same thing with down shifting to 2nd or 3rd, it will not allow me to go into that gear... until i hit a certin RPM or gas it up with the clutch in to it falls into place.
Maybe you need a skip shift eliminator kit.
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I have a 1le and so far I am not impressed with the 1st to 2nd. It isnt grinding but rather not letting me into 2nd. And when it does it will not grind or make a peep! Now if I sit at a red light hold the break and put it into first and then 2nd it will do the same thing resist the shift. But once I put it into first or 2nd once, go to neutral and try it again, it will go back into the same gear just fine. Same thing with down shifting to 2nd or 3rd, it will not allow me to go into that gear... until i hit a certin RPM or gas it up with the clutch in to it falls into place.
Sounds like the skip shift.
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I have a 1le and so far I am not impressed with the 1st to 2nd. It isnt grinding but rather not letting me into 2nd. And when it does it will not grind or make a peep! Now if I sit at a red light hold the break and put it into first and then 2nd it will do the same thing resist the shift. But once I put it into first or 2nd once, go to neutral and try it again, it will go back into the same gear just fine. Same thing with down shifting to 2nd or 3rd, it will not allow me to go into that gear... until i hit a certin RPM or gas it up with the clutch in to it falls into place.
Do not try to force the car into 2nd gear if it doesnt want you to. It's trying to make you shift from 1st to fourth. Buy a $30 skip shift elliminator and you won't have this problem anymore. They are easy to install. There should be a light coming on in the dash if this is the problem you are experiencing. I believe it says skip shift or something.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:32 PM   #14
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As said, skip shift feature that forces u into 4th gear due to emisions. Read the owners manual and it will tell u when it turns off, I think around 19mph or so. The skip shift eliminator connector is like $20.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:38 PM   #15
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Sounds more like clutch not fully disengaging.

Yep and there has been some good results with a GTO clutch reservoir mod and the Idealg better flowing master cylinder. Tick also makes a very nice replacement line. Don't forget the LPE spring.

This is the first report of the grind issue in the 1LE setup that I have heard.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:32 AM   #16
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Yep and there has been some good results with a GTO clutch reservoir mod and the Idealg better flowing master cylinder. Tick also makes a very nice replacement line. Don't forget the LPE spring.

This is the first report of the grind issue in the 1LE setup that I have heard.
600 miles on my 1LE now with none of these grinding issues.

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Old 11-20-2012, 01:41 AM   #17
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Good to hear Tara. Have you had some high rpm shifts (over 4 k) yet? I for sure am doing the GTO reservoir mod. This keeps clutch dust from contaminating the brake fluid.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:04 AM   #18
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Good to hear Tara. Have you had some high rpm shifts (over 4 k) yet? I for sure am doing the GTO reservoir mod. This keeps clutch dust from contaminating the brake fluid.
Actually no. I haven't taken it to redline yet. I've driven it rather conservative as yet. Even then, it's quite amazing and shifts very smoothly.

I don't think I want to mod anything like that while it's under warranty. It's my daily driver, ya know? :P

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Old 11-20-2012, 08:13 AM   #19
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I have redlined my 1LE once or twice (can't resist anymore) and am pushing it in higher RPMS's (5500+) frequently now, and no grinding from what I can hear, ~750 miles on it. Is this just a 1 to 2 shift concern?

Can someone explain to me how you get clutch dust in the brake fluid since that would mean that the fluid has a leak path where dust can enter through?
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:37 AM   #20
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Can someone explain to me how you get clutch dust in the brake fluid since that would mean that the fluid has a leak path where dust can enter through?
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:48 AM   #21
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Ok , wishful thinking and misinformation... time for another beer...
First, welcome to C5. Good that you're doing your homework - you'll learn a lot around here. I had an early build 2010 and in 3 years of driving never had a problem with the 1-2 grind some people complain of. I did eventually replace the factory shifter with a MGW based on feedback from the Corvette forums, but primarily for a shorter throw. The 1-2 and 2-3 shifts never just floated into place like the 3-4 and 4-5 did but it never caused me to miss shifts or grind either.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:29 AM   #22
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I thank you for the responses but I know 100 percent it is not a skip shift problem. When this comes on it shifts just fine. The problem is it is not a smooth shift from 1 st to 2nd almost every time like 3 to 4 is. I do feel it gets a lot better if I rev up to 3800 plus to shift to second. Should I take it to the dealer or look at after market approach.

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Old 11-20-2012, 12:09 PM   #23
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I have an apt. for Tues for the dealer service to do a ride along with me and try and figure the problem out. At least if I go this route it will still be under warrenty....Bummer:(
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:13 PM   #24
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The 1LE has a tremac 6 tranny & the 2SS has a Tremac 10. As for the skip shift its for fuel economy. Chevy calls it One to Four Shift Message in the owners manual pg 9-32. When you see the shift pattern on your info screen it will only allow you to shift from 1st to 4th. The message appears when engine coolant is above 76 C, accelerating from a stop going 15 to 19 MPH & the car is at 21% throttle or less

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Old 11-20-2012, 05:24 PM   #25
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I have an apt. for Tues for the dealer service to do a ride along with me and try and figure the problem out. At least if I go this route it will still be under warrenty....Bummer:(
Yours might get better as it breaks in. Wouldn't hurt to have the dealer take a look, but if they don't replace it right away it may get better with some mileage.

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