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Old 06-01-2009, 12:38 AM   #1
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Best way to launch with manual transmission?

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Just wondering, what is the best way to launch with the manual transmission on the strip (without launch control)?
I have some experience with auto ! That is just limiting the wheel spin with your foot (street tires)!!
I've read that the launch control is not the quickest way. Should one use more or less rpm off the line? I mean on a prepared drag strip, not on the street, but still with street tires.
Somebody give hint, because I need a time slip.
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Release clutch, mash gas.

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Practice... practice and more practice till you get it right! Every clutch is different so the only thing you can do is learn your car!

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Practice... practice and more practice till you get it right! Every clutch is different so the only thing you can do it learn your car!
Absolutely correct, you have to learn your car as every launch will be deferent depending on the tiers, asphalt, temperature, etc.


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Old 06-01-2009, 04:34 AM   #6
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don't launch at 4k at the track.... I learned that the hard way
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Shouldn't this go in the racing section of the forum?
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Old 06-01-2009, 09:22 AM   #9
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I think a few of the review videos may have mentioned how they got their times. Might be a good reference.

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Old 06-03-2009, 03:01 PM   #10
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start at medium throttle for .75 second then floor it. when you shift from 1st to 2nd , and so on, take your foot off the clutch really fast and floor it!!!!!!!!!!!!! you will get no wheel spin.
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Old 06-07-2009, 04:09 AM   #11
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start at medium throttle for .75 second then floor it. when you shift from 1st to 2nd , and so on, take your foot off the clutch really fast and floor it!!!!!!!!!!!!! you will get no wheel spin.
Tried just what you described, otherwise all as "described"! But, had very serious wheelspin (and some wheel hop!) off the line. I tried anything between 1000 and 2000 as starting rpms. 2000 is too much for street tires and 1000 makes it bog! Once it gets up and goes it's a no brainer! chirps 1-2 shift as well as 2-3 shift!
Should I start as Granma? Just babying it off the line, as in any street corner? Or, should I go and buy Drag radials, or worst case: get a driving course
Guess I need more practice



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Tried just what you described, otherwise all as "described"! But, had very serious wheelspin (and some wheel hop!) off the line. I tried anything between 1000 and 2000 as starting rpms. 2000 is too much for street tires and 1000 makes it bog! Once it gets up and goes it's a no brainer! chirps 1-2 shift as well as 2-3 shift!
Should I start as Granma? Just babying it off the line, as in any street corner? Or, should I go and buy Drag radials, or worst case: get a driving course
Guess I need more practice



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Try slipping the clutch a bit, just ease it out a bit slower when taking off. Try and concentrate on holding the rpm steady, watch the tach and keep it at say 2000rpm. Don't let it drop below 2k. Release the clutch a bit slower than during a normal 1-2 shift or 2-3 shift. As soon as you are almost all the way out with the clutch, roll onto the throttle quickly. Play with the rpm you leave at and the amount of time to let out the clutch until you find the best launch.

Obviously, you have to be careful not to slip it real bad, you probably don't want to put the engine at 5k and slip the clutch for 2 seconds, but you should be able to find a nice range where you get off the line quickly.
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Old 06-08-2009, 01:48 PM   #13
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Try slipping the clutch a bit, just ease it out a bit slower when taking off. Try and concentrate on holding the rpm steady, watch the tach and keep it at say 2000rpm. Don't let it drop below 2k. Release the clutch a bit slower than during a normal 1-2 shift or 2-3 shift. As soon as you are almost all the way out with the clutch, roll onto the throttle quickly. Play with the rpm you leave at and the amount of time to let out the clutch until you find the best launch.

Obviously, you have to be careful not to slip it real bad, you probably don't want to put the engine at 5k and slip the clutch for 2 seconds, but you should be able to find a nice range where you get off the line quickly.
Thanks Rayhawk!
I figured it would be something like that, just don't want to burn the clutch. Maybe I was too concerned about that and popped the clutch to quickly. Need to practice, that all!
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:32 AM   #14
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With stock tires drive around the water. Experiment with RPM, try 2,000 to start with and as has been said ease the clutch out till you get some traction, then hammer it.

I had some terrible initial times with my GT500 on stock tires till I learned. I went from a 9.5 to 8.5 in the 1/8 mile pretty quickly.Your times will get better each time you run just remember to avoid the water. Run by yourself the first several times, less pressure.
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Old 06-21-2009, 08:39 PM   #15
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Took the car out to the drag strip again today. I did only two passes, but managed to put down a 13,28 @ 106,9 mph.
Started with 3000 rpms and eased out the clutch. The start was good, but I experienced some wheel hop when shifting to second! 60' time dropped from 2,8 to 2,16. The second pass was poor, just spun the tires off the line and also forgot to turn off the traction control. It seems that one can get quite som wheelspin before the ECM catches on and turns off the power!?
Anyhow, thanks for the advices and it seems like patience does the trick!
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Old 06-21-2009, 09:03 PM   #16
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Took the car out to the drag strip again today. I did only two passes, but managed to put down a 13,28 @ 106,9 mph.
Started with 3000 rpms and eased out the clutch. The start was good, but I experienced some wheel hop when shifting to second! 60' time dropped from 2,8 to 2,16. The second pass was poor, just spun the tires off the line and also forgot to turn off the traction control. It seems that one can get quite som wheelspin before the ECM catches on and turns off the power!?
Anyhow, thanks for the advices and it seems like patience does the trick!
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:20 AM   #17
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Read what's on this link; best info on 1/4 mile racing as well as maintenance I've ever read.

http://rangeracceleration.com/
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Old 07-04-2009, 03:06 PM   #18
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Use Launch Control. You should be able to match or beat the factory rating.

Here's a vid on the Vette LC. Huge difference between a DIY launch and using LC.

Plus it's easier on the drive train.
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Old 07-04-2009, 08:47 PM   #19
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Use Launch Control. You should be able to match or beat the factory rating.

Here's a vid on the Vette LC. Huge difference between a DIY launch and using LC.

Plus it's easier on the drive train.

You will go slower with launch control
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Bump for all of you that have gotten your launches dialed in. What have you guys figured out? I know that it will vary based on conditions but looking for some starting points. I'm still only half way to 1500miles so not ready to launch it yet but can't wait to get it out to the track (Orlando Speed World).
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:16 AM   #21
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Just coming on to say don`t use launch control if you want to go fast. I was using it when I went to the track because it was my first time ever, and I didn`t want to wreck anything.

I was getting so much wheelspin that on my last run I let the clutch out after the second yellow light came on and I still didn`t red light.

I am gonna try a DIY at around 2500 or 3000 RPMs and see what happens next time.
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Just coming on to say don`t use launch control if you want to go fast. I was using it when I went to the track because it was my first time ever, and I didn`t want to wreck anything.

I was getting so much wheelspin that on my last run I let the clutch out after the second yellow light came on and I still didn`t red light.

I am gonna try a DIY at around 2500 or 3000 RPMs and see what happens next time.
Pretty much what I figured. I've just done some empty road launches and noticed that LC = spin. I haven't done it enough to get dialed in or anything but it seems ~3000 seems to be best. But I've still been using comp mode. I guess the fastest way would be to do it yourself. I gotta get the hang of controlling the wheelspin because the one time I launched with no TC at all I did it at 2k and just floored it and didn't hook up. Maybe I'll get out to the track soon.
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Don't use comp mode. It dumps too much energy, 4,200 rpm is too high. I believe sooner or later it will break something in the drive train. The ABS kicking in to limit wheel spin at the same time can't be good either.

Hold traction/comp mode button down for 7 seconds and turn both off. Launch between 2500 and 3000 rpms. You need some wheel spin to get the motor in the power band. Try to keep rpms between 3500 to 4000 once the tires start spinning. You probably want the rpms up around 4500 when the tires stop spinning.

Drive it out of the hole. Keep rpm constant and let clutch out and slowly give it gas - like taking off from a stop. Don't pop the clutch but don't slip it either. Caution: slipping the clutch will burn it up. Don't stomp the gas but depress fast enough to to keep rpms up in power band. You can let off half way on gas then get back in it if you have too much wheel spin. This is called pedaling if you do it more than once.

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Here's what I did.

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Tried just what you described, otherwise all as "described"! But, had very serious wheelspin (and some wheel hop!) off the line. I tried anything between 1000 and 2000 as starting rpms. 2000 is too much for street tires and 1000 makes it bog! Once it gets up and goes it's a no brainer! chirps 1-2 shift as well as 2-3 shift!
Should I start as Granma? Just babying it off the line, as in any street corner? Or, should I go and buy Drag radials, or worst case: get a driving course
Guess I need more practice



But its fun
Just went to Bandimere for the first time weds.

First off make sure traction control And stability track are off. I didn't take off stability track off the 1st 2 times I ran but did the 3rd run and improved by 1.43 sec @ 7mph

Ran the tac to 3000 and controlled the clutch release instead of popping it. Once it hooked I floored it.

4000 and popping clutch is too much tire spin

I know the times could be better but I'm new at this. Just more practice needed.
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