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Old 09-24-2012, 11:38 PM   #1
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Green Bay vs Seattle

Did anyone see the last 8 seconds of the game? My version.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:44 PM   #2
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:20 AM   #3
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The bad officiating hides the fact that this was actually a great game between these two teams. Seahawks did have a stifling defense that held Green Bay throughout most of the game.

Yes, the last play was the most obvious bad call, however there were several other calls that went against the Seahawks. And, a some that went for them as well.

My cousin who's a Packers fan...as am I (except against the Seahawks) said that she wouldn't have felt right whoever won the game.
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:52 AM   #4
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It was a really fun game to be at. I bet the first 3 quarters were kind of boring for the TV viewers, though...
Still trying to get through the recorded version of it at home to see the end. Live, in the stadium, it was very confusing. We couldn't see what really happened from our seats, and the crowd went wild when the refs signalled the TD....
Definitely the most amazing Monday Night Football game I can think of!!
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:48 AM   #5
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Reading through all the facebook posts from last night's NFL game. I don't understand why everyone is directing their anger at the replacement refs. Yeah, they suck, but they're doing the best they can. You really ought to be directing your anger at the NFL and the refs who are on strike. They're the real reason these replacement refs are even in there to begin with.

This is why I despise the NFL.... It used to just be a bunch of drama queen players, which I despised. But now there's drama queen refs, drama queen coaches, drama queen owners, drama queen sports casters, and heck, I bet the film crews will have their day in strike-heaven in not too long. Everyone thinks they're entitled to more money, regardless of their job.

Since when is this what football is all about? Give me a break!
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:58 AM   #6
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:30 AM   #7
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All I know is that I'm not watching football until the NFL and the Refs reach an agreement. Doesn't matter who gives, but this is retarded watching games like that.
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It's easy to criticize from the sidelines. The replacement refs are doing their best...they are far from perfect. Watch the game because you love your team and football not because the refs are good or bad.
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It's easy to criticize from the sidelines. The replacement refs are doing their best...they are far from perfect. Watch the game because you love your team and football not because the refs are good or bad.
There best isn't good enough!!!
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:40 PM   #10
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I hope the striking officials all lose their jobs permanently.

We have clients who have lost their businesses and jobs.

Unemployment at 9% and as high as 15% in areas and these ****ers want to strike for more money. AND MOST ARE ALL EMPLOYED FULL TIME ANYWAY..........

If they don't like the money then let them quit.

And once again there are people blaming the NFL as a whole. It's not the NFL it's the freaking employees.
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I hope the striking officials all lose their jobs permanently.

We have clients who have lost their businesses and jobs.

Unemployment at 9% and as high as 15% in areas and these ****ers want to strike for more money. AND MOST ARE ALL EMPLOYED FULL TIME ANYWAY..........

If they don't like the money then let them quit.

And once again there are people blaming the NFL as a whole. It's not the NFL it's the freaking employees.
i understand your point, but it's not like the NFL is broke, and can't afford to pay the least payed refs of all professional sports...a little more money. lol
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All I know is that I'm not watching football until the NFL and the Refs reach an agreement.
yeah, right..you & the rest of the 'boycotting' crowd
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I hope the striking officials all lose their jobs permanently.

If they don't like the money then let them quit.
..per ESPN, over $150k/yr for a part-time job!, for crying out loud
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:52 PM   #14
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I get it, the replacement officials have dropped the ball a few times, yes we all know its all about money the NFL doesn't want to hand out more and the refs want it. But in my opinion . . . . Hey, M.D. Jennings how about you just deflect that shit out? Tate had no chance of catching that ball if you had just palmed it away, that's safety 101 guy!!!
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here's an interesting read.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/169593...t-its-all-game

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The owners have decided NFL referees need to be locked out because like the scorpion who stings, that’s simply what they do. Look at the demands being made of the referees: NFL owners want them to stop being part-time labor and instead work full-time for the league. Sounds great, except they want the refs to eliminate their other sources of income while taking a 16 percent cut in salary. They also want to eliminate their pensions and replace them with 401k plans tied to the stock market. Put simply, the owners line is less pay, less benefits, and if you don’t like it we’re locking the doors.
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Old 09-26-2012, 12:15 AM   #16
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Yeah, I really hope that the regular refs come back because of this, but we'll see.

I found this article and analysis interesting.

Not definitive, and as I've said earlier...I believe this play was a lot closer to being simultaneous than people think. The real issue is the non-call of the OPI.
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Well, my feelings have never changed. The owners are 'Owners'.

It's THEIR league. Other than the Packers individual franchise, the NFL is not even publicly traded.

As far as the officials, they act like they were perfect. They sucked ass as well. Full time officials would be much better. How good can we expect part time refs to be?

The NFL wants full time officials and they realize that they can get better officiating (than the regular refs) for the money they are offering.

This is the perfect opportunity for them to get it done.

If they pay them top dollar now and make them full time then it's only a matter of time before those ****ers strike for even more. If these current refs (the replacements) are made full time then the officiating will only get better. And even better than it's ever been, and affordably. Why should a referee make that much freaking money and benefits? Did they go to school for 8 years and do 2 years of internship to be a ref? Holy shit. 150k is pretty damn good money. 401k is as good as I could hope for. Hell, I have to do it myself. I own a freaking business with all the risks and time involved and wont' come close to that. Point being that they have all the freedom in the world to go work somewhere else.

Let's not forget, as bad as it seems now, the problem is that the regular refs sucked anyway. If they were full time it would be WAY better.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/25/sp...ute/index.html

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The money to pay officials comes from a pot of $18 million funded by the league. The NFL wants an increase in the average salary for officials, who are part-time employees, from $149,000 to $189,000 by 2018. Referees (the head officials) and officials who qualify for postseason games would make more, the league said. The raises each year would fall between 5% and 11%, the league said. The officials have asked for more, but have not publicly disclosed how much. They say the league, which has revenues of more than $9 billion per year, can afford it.
In this article they talk about the NFL makes 9 billion dollars so they can afford to pay more. Unbelievable.


Once again, people who sign checks on the back and not on the front pissed because the owners won't give up more of their PERSONAL business.

So, now we have Players, Refs, Vendors ................ who else is going to blame the NFL for not giving more money away?

I hope they all lose their plush gig for good. Over 100k for 16 games a year. Sheesh.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:13 AM   #18
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..per ESPN, over $150k/yr for a part-time job!, for crying out loud
It averages about that much. So factor in longevity, seniority and such, you get a scale from the newest referees to the ones that have been around a long time. Plus the fact that as part time, if they don't work a game they don't get paid AND they have to pay for their own travel + accommodations AND study game films plus do paperwork for the games they work.

Also, knowing the NFL, they probably have to pay out of pocket for the uniforms and whistles.

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The NFL wants full time officials and they realize that they can get better officiating (than the regular refs) for the money they are offering.
The referees actually already agreed to having about 10-12 full time refs. The sticking point is the pension vs 401k issue and bringing in more part-time referees.
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i understand your point, but it's not like the NFL is broke, and can't afford to pay the least payed refs of all professional sports...a little more money. lol
Maybe, but one of the reasons the NFL has money is because they are careful with it. Given that the refs right now make about $7500 a game was the figure I heard on ESPN, it's not like they are being pinched.
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Yeah, I really hope that the regular refs come back because of this, but we'll see.

I found this article and analysis interesting.

Not definitive, and as I've said earlier...I believe this play was a lot closer to being simultaneous than people think. The real issue is the non-call of the OPI.
That article is way off. As shown by Steve Mariuchi on the NFL Network, Tate's hand came off the ball not once but twice on the way down, and when shown from an alternate angle where you can actually see his hands (unlike in those frame by frame shots where he's just guessing) his hand is not on the ball when he brings it back but on Jennings' arm. After they go all the way to the ground his right arm is draped across Jennings' chest. There is no question the pass was intercepted.
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That article is way off. As shown by Steve Mariuchi on the NFL Network, Tate's hand came off the ball not once but twice on the way down, and when shown from an alternate angle where you can actually see his hands (unlike in those frame by frame shots where he's just guessing) his hand is not on the ball when he brings it back but on Jennings' arm. After they go all the way to the ground his right arm is draped across Jennings' chest. There is no question the pass was intercepted.
And Peter King said that the call was 90% correct. He was more concerned about the no-call on PI (a common thing on hail mary's) and the fact that the refs called immediately and didn't conference. He agreed with the NFL that this could be considered a catch, and that it wasn't clear-cut.

Point is, with reflection there are many that are seeing the NFL's side of this particular call. This doesn't change the overwhelming bad calls throughout the game and league last weekend though. That still needs to be addressed and fixed.
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ESPN Sports Science just showed why it was an interception. An overwhelming majority of people and players know it was. Of course the NFL is going to back the refs on it and say it was the correct call. They look even worse for the lockout if they admit their replacement refs literally cost a team a game.

On a side note, Mortenson reported that the lockout is likely over and the regular refs could be back on the field as soon as Sunday.
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The call could have easily been made by one of the regular refs. BUT, would more than likely have been overturned on replay.

In my opinion it was not as bad a call as it looked. But a bad call none the less.
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The call could have easily been made by one of the regular refs. BUT, would more than likely have been overturned on replay.

In my opinion it was not as bad a call as it looked. But a bad call none the less.
The funny thing is, the replay official had time to review it and didn't overturn it.

So it's not even the replacement refs fault
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