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Old 01-12-2008, 11:59 PM   #176
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I can't wait to see what they do for a rear spoiler. I still have my own plans for that though. It would be nice to see a functional scoop on the front. I don't know what they are thinking but that would be perfect for an airbox inlet. I wonder why its filled in? maybe just because its still preproduction

deffinalty going to hard to choose between this and a used c5 z06.
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Old 01-13-2008, 12:16 AM   #177
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All of those things were optional and not that common. I looked through a number of 1969 and 1970 Camaros and Chevelles and very, very few had power accessories or 4 wheel disks. The point I'm making is that I'd rather not go retro at the expense of progress. Homages are all well and good, but I'd rather this be an improvement over the original.
I think you're taking these vaux vents way too seriously... I mean, on the Concept it was cut out to simply emphasize the look of them... I'd be willing to bet that there isn't any duct work or benefits from their existence on that car... and that car cost millions to build and wasn't metal, to the best of my knowledge... so you're missing the point that this is not a fiberglass body panel that you're talking about here... its metal and metal edges cannot be left out in the open because some people are not smart enough to keep their hands out of them... not only is it a design throw back to the '69 model, its just safer to have them non functional and not real... any other way would be reckless and potentially dangerous to the people who are not as smart as you that will, inevitably, be buying this car... if it is so important that it be an upgrade, design and patent the aftermarket part that will make them real.

for what its worth, the opening at the front of the hood on the C6 Z06 is not functional, either... its just there as a design cue... the Camaro, just like the C6, will most likely breath from the bottom... where all of the coolest air is... I know this isn't what most of you want to hear, but it is the truth... so while I'm quite positive that the front "ram air" opening will be there, I wouldn't count on it providing anything other than air flow over the motor to extract heat.
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Old 01-13-2008, 01:08 AM   #178
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I still want the vents cut out. They were cut out on the concept and looked great. I'm sure they can do it a whistling noise as other car manufacturers have done it before. It won't be a deal breaker for me, but I sure hope they cut them out. I see that the 69 didn't have it cut out, but if the concept was meant to be identical to the 1st gen and retro, GM would have done it differently. Times change which also allow for improvements. I think it would be an improvement to have them cut out. Having to clean the vents? That isn't even a concern of mine. I'd be happy to clean them...as I would have to clean the rest of the entire car as well. I seriously doubt it would be hard or anything...just more cleaning. Take a rag w/ soapy water and run it through the vent.
I agree! I am in love with this car!
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Old 01-13-2008, 01:11 AM   #179
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By that reasoning, why should we have alloy wheels instead of the orange and chrome steel wheels we see here? Why should we have two body-colored side mirrors rather than the 1 chrome side mirror on the '69 model? Why not just clone the '69 model like the Challenger basically cloned its '70 model? Heck lets go all the way and bring back carburation, drum brakes, no power accessories, and steering ratios similar to lottery odds.
Let's not get too carried away here. It's the Camaro, not the Challenger. The Camaro is simply paying homage, not cloning the '69. The design Q's were actually taken from an F22 Raptor, and some type of bird of prey (i think a hawk or a falcon). They just found a way to tie in the '69 with the rest.
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Old 01-13-2008, 02:36 AM   #180
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IMO, I don't really care if the rear vents actually "work" to cool the rear brakes and have ducting, etc. All I want is for the holes to be cut out for aesthetic purposes
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:57 AM   #181
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I still don't get how adding ridges that look like fake vents is supposed to be a styling element? What does it do besides "make it look fast" or some nonsense like that. I'm fine if the CAI comes from under the car if that works better. But if you do that, why put a phony vent on top? Just don't put anything there. I'm totally ok with not having functional vents. The car will run just fine without them. But if you don't need them, then don't chisel some lines out half-heartedly and call it a "vent". Putting them in just makes it harder to produce, harder to wash, and easier for people to assume the styling is writing speed checks the car can't cash.
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Old 01-13-2008, 06:10 AM   #182
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There was one shot of the car that had the z28 emblem in the grill and it looked bad assed to me. Im too old to look up the post. I think there is a ton of room for improvment. IM sorta torn. The rear looks great and the front may take some time to grow on me. Kinda like headlights on you gf.

Still, Im optomistic and not a camaro hater and thats coming from a mustang owner.
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Old 01-13-2008, 06:58 AM   #183
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Woooooooooooooowww, I must have this car its awsome, im even more in love with it. I always wanted to see the front shot, thanks
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Old 01-13-2008, 09:36 AM   #184
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...Because as it stands, they look worse than the Mustang's fake vents everywhere - which I didn't think was possible to do.
I just walked around my '08 Mustang GT three times and I can't find one single "fake vent". Where are these located?


BTW, the new Camaro is one bad ass looking car.
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Old 01-13-2008, 09:40 AM   #185
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I just walked around my '08 Mustang GT three times and I can't find one single "fake vent". Where are these located?
There's only one that's pretty bad on the newer stangs, that optional "hood scoop"...But I was reffering more to the previous gens - those side vents aren't exactly eye candy.
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Old 01-13-2008, 10:07 AM   #186
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...But I was reffering more to the previous gens - those side vents aren't exactly eye candy.
Gotcha. I just assumed that since this was a site for the new Camaro, you wouldn't be comparing it to a Mustang that was built 4 years ago or longer.
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Old 01-13-2008, 11:50 AM   #187
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Naw...It has nothing to do w/ comparing cars. We are comparing vents....and we could have compared to any vehicle that has a non cut out vent. The only reason we brought up Mustangs was cause my wife had a 00 for a couple years and it had fake vents on the sides and hood scoop. Sure, vents add a little sumthin' sumthin' to the look of the car, but....for me, it's the little details that all add up. I LOVE the side vents, but I feel like they just have to be cut out. It's kind of like getting to eat a steak at your favorite steakhouse, but having a cold when you go and can't taste it. What's the point?

That's how I see it. I know what ya'll are talking about w/ more cost, etc. But, we really don't know for sure about all that, so... For now, ya'll know my hopes.
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Old 01-13-2008, 01:37 PM   #188
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Buy aftermarket parts?
If am to replace Camaro guts, why botther buying the car at all. I meant small things like headlights, grill, rear view mirrors, rims and such, but to go to the extent converting 350hp car to a 550hp is beyond me. I mean, wouldn't that be major investment? Anyways, since the concept release, I've set my internal countdown clock and it is set in stone.
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Old 01-13-2008, 04:51 PM   #189
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The concept looks like the Terminator-- very menacing, but- if that's what GM gives us guess I'll be drivin' that.... Whatever, just bring it on!




Still, it looks very close to the concept. Throw some paint on there and it'll be rockin'!


Damn, those two photos of the concepts look good. I think the white paintjob and the dull weather the day that photo was taken doesn't help it. The lights in the show all make the concepts angles stand out so much more.
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Old 01-14-2008, 08:21 AM   #190
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www.chevynation.com -- then click on Chevy Club house -- then click on the Silver Camaro -- then click on Camaro Spot.........

or www.gmblogs.com
This is NO GOOD! The Cool thing about the Camaro is his boldness. Simple Grill, simple Lights etc. This new front will destroy everything. I saw the New Camaro Concept in an Autoshow, this boldness makes the whole presence... Never, never change that!!!!
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^I don't mind either headlight design. They both look good to me. Good chop, though.
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:55 PM   #192
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hmmm. Maybe I shouldn't have said what I said about negative comments. Friggen' karma . But darn, you haters are passionate about...well...hating!?! You know that's not healthy for you, right? I'm betting that the majority of the reason you two h*te this car is because you are taking it for final production version...as you see it...in this flat white. BAD idea.

Well...then again, maybe you're not part of the 90% of people who love this car. Sorry.

Anyways, IF you don't like it; I for one don't want to hear it called garbage, or an "amateur-mobile"...because you are 120% wrong, no matter how you slice it. And it hurts my feelings, sort of.;p
I concur! There are so many other lame venues to which you can "egg-spress" you hatefulness. THIS AINT ONE OF THOSE PLACES!!!
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Old 01-14-2008, 02:02 PM   #193
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Those will NOT be production headlights. Im almost 100% positive.
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Old 01-14-2008, 02:34 PM   #194
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Those will NOT be production headlights. Im almost 100% positive.
So is Scott....
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OK, I bashed the back end on the other forum, so I guess I'll do some on the front end...but not as much.

The back end with the backup lights and outset rear end are awful changes.

The front looks real close to the concept, though.

Here's my comments on the front:

1) Go back to the concept headlights. They should be single round lights.

2) I like the larger grill openings in the concept and I agree that it looks bolder with the larger openings. The smaller ones are OK, and will probably grow on me with time.

Good job GM for not mucking with anything else in the front and thank goodness they kept the round fog lights.

Overall, the front and side look great. I think the functionality of the vents is optional, since many original cars had non-functional features like this.
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Old 01-14-2008, 05:32 PM   #196
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Why is it not sinking in to people that those aren't the production headlights? Not just sbg...but a lot of people.!
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Some people just like to complain. It makes them feel better to know that they can figure something out that paid designers somehow "missed". They don't want to let themselves believe that we're not looking at the real headlights.
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Some people just like to complain. It makes them feel better to know that they can figure something out that paid designers somehow "missed". They don't want to let themselves believe that we're not looking at the real headlights.
...That, or some folks just don't like to read the thread....
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...That, or some folks just don't like to read the thread....
That could be as well. Well, to all of them:
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Why is it not sinking in to people that those aren't the production headlights? Not just sbg...but a lot of people.!
Just explain it to these folx in sesame street terms. Then, maybe then they will get it.
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