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Old 10-08-2012, 11:26 AM   #1
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Not about the Camaro abuse thread so much

Could a moderator explain which rules to the forum was broke to have the 'Camaro abuse' thread and the follow on thread of 'why the thread deleted' were closed for comments. As a service member I bite my tonge as not to have my comments misrepresented as a statment from my service. I do not loose any sleep over this because I know that we as service members are defending the first amendment right of the nation not to be censored even when I personnally don't agree with it.



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Old 10-08-2012, 11:32 AM   #2
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Forum rules don't have anything to do with the 1st amendment. I hate these threads. JS

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Old 10-08-2012, 11:37 AM   #3
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habunow1, since I didn't read or see either thread you mentioned, but if you hadn't seen or read these, you might be able to see which rule was broken...... THE C5 RULES
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Forum rules don't have anything to do with the 1st amendment. I hate these threads. JS

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Yep. Unfortunately, this is the case.

Of course, what's the point in having a first amendment if you can't actually excercise it?

I won't even get started on how over-censored this forum is.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:38 AM   #5
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I won't even get started on how over-censored this forum is.
I agree with you.

Unfortunately, since we don't own it, moderate it or pay to keep it going, we can't make the rules, and if we don't like the rules-- we can just go elsewhere. Which some people have. Personally, I'll stick it out with C5 because the good outweighs the bad for me, most of the time
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:41 AM   #6
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Then what was the reason? Was it libable by members or can you not say anything questioning the quaility of sponsors/dealer of products? I would believe that is one of the reasons members would join to become more informed of these things.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:42 AM   #7
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Google it. This is blowing up.

We may have to go to other sources to keep updated, and if that's what this forum is about, that's sad.
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I agree with you.

Unfortunately, since we don't own it, moderate it or pay to keep it going, we can't make the rules, and if we don't like the rules-- we can just go elsewhere. Which some people have. Personally, I'll stick it out with C5 because the good outweighs the bad for me, most of the time
Vendors and members alike here have a BUNCH of my money.
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And, IBTL.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:45 AM   #10
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habunow1, since I didn't read or see either thread you mentioned, but if you hadn't seen or read these, you might be able to see which rule was broken...... THE C5 RULES
Read the rules before posting and could not find which one was violated.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:47 AM   #11
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bottom line, the forum is privately owned and operated so the only rules that matter are their rules.

A forum is not a democracy, it is not a newspaper, or media broadcast, it is a blog where any Tom, Dick or Harry can post opinions, that usually are not based in fact, as such the moderators and administrators must do what they feel is in the best interest of their BUSINESS..

Yes this is a business, it is here to make someone money, so whether we like it or not they will censor, delete, move, moderate, and close any thread that doesn't line up with their business plan and rules.

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Not siding with the moderators, (as I don't agree with the disapearing thread mentality either), just pointing out the truth of things.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:48 AM   #12
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Vendors and members alike here have a BUNCH of my money.
I agree with the money part but sometime you have to standup for what is right. Do you really want sponsors to cheat your members and does that not make you just as bad as them.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:52 AM   #13
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At least they could post a reason when they close a thread.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:01 PM   #14
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oh he drama. You choose to come on here for a reason just act like adults and we'll all get along. I can see this thread getting deleted or moved soon..
If they delete/close this thats fine but would you think it bad business to start practices which pisses off your target market. We all have the freedom to go other places and that is what happens when they are not happy. It would be just as easy to explain to everyone and the subject would be close wether we agreed or not.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:04 PM   #15
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At least they could post a reason when they close a thread.

I can't tell you the specific reason the original "camaro abuse" thread was closed as I wasn't the one to close it. It's not that the thread was breaking a rule per say but one of the Mods/Admins found that it was best the thread be locked, if only the time being.

Heck this could be my fault for getting "too involved" with the issue and whatnot. So that's my bad.

If you guys have any specific questions or anything regarding the thread/issue feel free to PM me. I'm kinda busy today so I may not get back to you right away, but I will respond to you before tonight.

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Old 10-08-2012, 12:07 PM   #16
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I can't tell you the specific reason the original "camaro abuse" thread was closed as I wasn't the one to close it. It's not that the thread was breaking a rule per say but one of the Mods/Admins found that it was best the thread be locked, if only the time being.

Heck this could be my fault for getting "too involved" with the issue and whatnot. So that's my bad.

If you guys have any specific questions or anything regarding the thread/issue feel free to PM me. I'm kinda busy today so I may not get back to you right away, but I will respond to you before tonight.

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Thanks for the insight. That's ALL folks are asking for, an explanation as to why the mysterious moderator playing Big Brother keeps locking threads.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:16 PM   #17
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Word of mouth is what keep my wifes busness busy. The same thought applies here because whenever I see a 5th gen I ask them if they have gone on this forum, tell them to look me up and our meet site and tell them how if you want to know it about a 5th gen they will have it on there. Makes me start to question whether I am doing the right thing by saying that.

Stieger thanks for the insite.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:20 PM   #18
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I can somewhat understand people being upset with moderators closing threads with no explanation but the truth is most of the ones that get closed end up heading south quickly otherwise. Online forums with arguements quickly become pissing contests with everyone flexing their "internet muscles".

I'd much rather a forum be over moderated than under moderated. At least they care about the quality of people and information that gets to remain on the site.

You gotta look at both sides here.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:22 PM   #19
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I agree with the money part but sometime you have to standup for what is right. Do you really want sponsors to cheat your members and does that not make you just as bad as them.
Yes they do. Because sponsors = money. And money = business.

Trust me, they would rather have 100 ripped off members than lose 1 single sponsor's cash flow.

Ever notice threads about issues with Camaros are moved almost immediately, but useless threads are left up for WEEKS?

And any thread that says "X company took my money and makes a crap product!" somehow gets wiped off the face of the Earth?

As Belle said, that's the way this place is run so if we don't like it, we will have to leave. But I, for one, disagree with it entirely. Now watch. Just saying THAT will probably get me banned.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:27 PM   #20
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I think we deserve an explanation.

We have supported this website for years. Supported both the vendors and owners of the website via buying stuff off this website as well as using it and going to events like Camarofest.

Now one of our own is in a situation that needs our support through social media and someone here on Camaro5 are denying us the right to help him or even discuss what has happened to him. This did not happen to a Mustang or Challenger owner, it happened to a Camaro owner. Is this not Camaro5.com? Our home on the web?

I could understand if the thread had gotten out of hand but it was, and still is, mostly civil and we had a Mod keeping an eye on us. (Thanks Stieger, you get it) Let us continue to discuss this in an adult manner like we have been because this is in the national spotlight and closing this while the nation is looking at us is really foolish. The next headline will read, "Camaro5 won't let it's members discuss bad manners by dealership of one of it's member's!". How is that going to look?

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Old 10-08-2012, 12:35 PM   #21
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Could the mod who moved the thread chime in and maybe reopen the orginal thread with the what ever was wrong edited. "Perception is reality"
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:49 PM   #22
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If this is a community, a quick "why it was closed" should be posted.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:57 PM   #23
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Site is afraid of getting sued and doesn't want involved with someone else's fight. It's as plain as the nose on your face. I'm no lawyer so I don't really know if they could be sued anyway. If it was my site, I would say post away in this situation. The op has the facts. I don't how C5 could be affected.

Although, C5 does get accused of being in bed with GM. It's things likw closing threads like those in question that make one wonder if there isn't something to that. In that case, I can see why it got closed.

Doesn't matter anyway. It's a privately owned site and they don't owe anyone a reason for doing what they do. Like they always say themselves, If you don't like don't let the door hit you in the butt when you leave.
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:00 PM   #24
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I can guarantee this will go away quietly because in most astates it is "ILLEGAL" to record someone without their knowledge. If the people in question want to get pissy (even though they were in the wrong) they can go after the OP. He better get what he can before the dealer gets a lawyer. And I can tell you once you threaten most dealer wit hlega laction ALL bets are off and they are going to ask you to leave.
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:03 PM   #25
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What was the original thread about?

It sounds like it was someone complaining about a product? If that's the case, there's a "vendor review" section specifically for that sort of thing.

And like has been said, the first amendment only protects you from being censored by the government. It does not protect your internet post from being censored by the host or owner of that site
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