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Old 10-08-2012, 02:34 PM   #35
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Sorry but that's the most messed up thing I've ever seen, and that thread DESERVED to stay open. I see no reason for it to be closed, legal or otherwise. Plus, that video has gone viral and the story is being reported from gminsidenews to jalopnik. Why close it?
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:35 PM   #36
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This is why these posts get so far out of control is folks lose sight of the original issue.

It is NOT about the legality of the recording. It is NOT about GM looking bad since this is clearly about the Dealership, Best Chevrolet, and they are separate business entity.

It is about a fellow Camaro5 member who had been wronged and our inability to express our support to/for him.

Those bashing GM are not getting it. Those questioning the legalities of the recording are not getting it. IMHO! This is about showing support for a member in his time of need. A time when social media could be his greatest ally.

If Camaro5 does not want to support their members as we have supported them, the least they could do is let us know why they have chosen to turn their back on their community.

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Old 10-08-2012, 02:38 PM   #37
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bottom line, the forum is privately owned and operated so the only rules that matter are their rules.

A forum is not a democracy, it is not a newspaper, or media broadcast, it is a blog where any Tom, Dick or Harry can post opinions, that usually are not based in fact, as such the moderators and administrators must do what they feel is in the best interest of their BUSINESS..

Yes this is a business, it is here to make someone money, so whether we like it or not they will censor, delete, move, moderate, and close any thread that doesn't line up with their business plan and rules.

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Not siding with the moderators, (as I don't agree with the disapearing thread mentality either), just pointing out the truth of things.

How can a recording catching someone red handed not be Fact?????? If they support the Camaro crowd you think they would stand behind them a little.
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:42 PM   #38
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I can guarantee this will go away quietly because in most astates it is "ILLEGAL" to record someone without their knowledge. If the people in question want to get pissy (even though they were in the wrong) they can go after the OP. He better get what he can before the dealer gets a lawyer. And I can tell you once you threaten most dealer wit hlega laction ALL bets are off and they are going to ask you to leave.
It is not elegal to record someone if they are commiting a crime, which these people obiously did!
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:44 PM   #39
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what crime did they commit? reckless driving?

I'm not on their side! I think they should be fired in a heart beat but recording without their consent and posting it on here is likely one of the reasons this is gone
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This is why these posts get so far out of control is folks loose sight of the original issue.

It is NOT about the legality of the recording. It is NOT about GM looking bad since this is clearly about the Dealership, Best Chevrolet, and they are separate business entity.

It is about a fellow Camaro5 member who had been wronged and our inability to express our support to/for him.

Those bashing GM are not getting it. Those questioning the legalities of the recording are not getting it. IMHO! This is about showing support for a member in his time of need. A time when social media could be his greatest ally.

If Camaro5 does not want to support their members as we have supported them, the least they could do is let us know why they have chosen to turn their back on their community.

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I expect we will not get a clear answer...because I expect Cam5 is, indeed, in bed with GM.

Someone said that a positive of that is the forum gives you a voice GM would have otherwise not heard. Well, not if that voice is quickly silenced.

The member who posted up the original thread had a legitimate issue with a GM dealer. The ONLY reason Cam5 mods would close said thread would be their contractual obligation to silence any negative postings and/or comments about GM as quickly and efficiently as possible.

If this were not the case, why not let people post? With the national attention this is getting, it could catapult the site into the national spotlight with news media potentially quoting members of the forum in support of the member in question. But NO. Rather than do the right thing, the mods have decided to brush this member's issues under the rug and turn the other cheek.

It's sickening to say the least because we are still expected to support this site, but the site refuses to do the same for us.

I've been saying for a long time that the censorship here is running absolutely rampant, but this is, by far, the biggest act of I've seen since I've been on here.

Either bring back the original, legitimate thread, and get off GM's nuts, or put a disclaimer up saying "Welcome to Camaro5....sponsored by GM. No negative comments/threads about GM or GM dealerships will be tolerated."

I'm disappointed..and more than a little .
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:46 PM   #41
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If this site is all about the sponsors and not the members as some would belive. Why would not the sponsors take issue with the removal. It is the reputation of the site they chose to be associated with that can become tarnished and that would devalue the effect of there paid sponsorship. Sponsors your thoughts.
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:49 PM   #42
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what crime did they commit? reckless driving?

I'm not on their side! I think they should be fired in a heart beat but recording without their consent and posting it on here is likely one of the reasons this is gone

according to SC law only 1 parties consent is needed if it is not an electronic (telephone) conversation..

so in this case the victim did nothing wrong with respect to recording without consent. .

and if you listened to the whole thing, they committed several crimes, reckless driving the least of it. They were conspiring to commit fraud, charge the customer for the clutch install, then turn around and bill GM for the pressure plate install so the tech gets paid twice for the same job..


Everyone b*tches and moans about the cost of dealer repairs, the cost of extended warranties, the cost of blah blah blah..

Well Fraud like this is a prime example of why those things cost so damn much..
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what crime did they commit? reckless driving?

I'm not on their side! I think they should be fired in a heart beat but recording without their consent and posting it on here is likely one of the reasons this is gone
That's no reason for it to be gone...the forum is corpor....er...privately owned, and posts and comments are in no way a reflection of the owners' personal views. In a lawsuit of any kind, they would be in no way accountable for the postings of their members.
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:49 PM   #44
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I expect we will not get a clear answer...because I expect Cam5 is, indeed, in bed with GM.

Someone said that a positive of that is the forum gives you a voice GM would have otherwise not heard. Well, not if that voice is quickly silenced.

The member who posted up the original thread had a legitimate issue with a GM dealer. The ONLY reason Cam5 mods would close said thread would be their contractual obligation to silence any negative postings and/or comments about GM as quickly and efficiently as possible.

If this were not the case, why not let people post? With the national attention this is getting, it could catapult the site into the national spotlight with news media potentially quoting members of the forum in support of the member in question. But NO. Rather than do the right thing, the mods have decided to brush this member's issues under the rug and turn the other cheek.

It's sickening to say the least because we are still expected to support this site, but the site refuses to do the same for us.

I've been saying for a long time that the censorship here is running absolutely rampant, but this is, by far, the biggest act of I've seen since I've been on here.

Either bring back the original, legitimate thread, and get off GM's nuts, or put a disclaimer up saying "Welcome to Camaro5....sponsored by GM. No negative comments/threads about GM or GM dealerships will be tolerated."

I'm disappointed..and more than a little .

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I'm waiting now that this has been moved to feedback... ten bucks says the admin will 'answer' your question, then lock this thread.

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Old 10-08-2012, 02:50 PM   #46
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I'm waiting now that this has been moved to feedback... ten bucks says the admin will 'answer' your question, then lock this thread.

I'll take that bet and triple it....as I believe you are 100% correct.
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:54 PM   #47
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according to SC law only 1 parties consent is needed if it is not an electronic (telephone) conversation..

so in this case the victim did nothing wrong with respect to recording without consent. .

and if you listened to the whole thing, they committed several crimes, reckless driving the least of it. They were conspiring to commit fraud, charge the customer for the clutch install, then turn around and bill GM for the pressure plate install so the tech gets paid twice for the same job..


Everyone b*tches and moans about the cost of dealer repairs, the cost of extended warranties, the cost of blah blah blah..

Well Fraud like this is a prime example of why those things cost so damn much..
Police record all the time without consent. If you go in a Bank , store or a gas station you are being recorded without consent. This is not a legal issue! This is a Sencorship Issue!
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:55 PM   #48
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I'm just waiting to find out what the outcome is going to be on this. I hope the OP gets back what is due to him from this BS!!! P!ssed me off and it's not even my car. I would have blown a gasket if it were me though, and I think he is doing a good job getting this out into the public.

Now to wait and see what happens!
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:57 PM   #49
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I'll take that bet and triple it....as I believe you are 100% correct.
and we might all get the threatning PM's from C5 Judge and Jury.
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:59 PM   #50
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Police record all the time without consent. If you go in a Bank , store or a gas station you are being recorded without consent. This is not a legal issue! This is a Sencorship Issue!

the word you are looking for is Censorship..

and it is not a Censorship issue.. privately owned and operated forum/blog; Censorship laws do not apply..
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The Camaro Abused thread maybe closed on C5, but it's on dozens of other forums.
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