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Old 10-08-2012, 07:43 PM   #1
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Former WWE star Dave Bautista's MMA debut



A bit sloppy in his striking, and his ground game looks like it still needs a bit of improvement.
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:10 AM   #2
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looks like they feed him a chump for a easy win. jmo
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If he had been fighting a real MMA fighter and not some chubs they pulled out of the crowd, he would've been destroyed in 30 seconds or less.

Seriously, I thought I was watching something NSFW for a bit there...
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That fight was terrible, the guy was barely hitting him with any force whatsoever, and Bautista looks like he is going to get eaten alive in the world of MMA.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:18 AM   #5
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If he had been fighting a real MMA fighter and not some chubs they pulled out of the crowd, he would've been destroyed in 30 seconds or less.

Seriously, I thought I was watching something NSFW for a bit there...
Don't dub fighters man, unless you have stepped into the ring, you don't know what it's like and have no reason to insult someone. I hate fighter-bashing. The guy may not have been in the best shape, however he has a legitimate career and a lot of fights under his belt.

I agree Bautista's performance was less than stellar. His striking defense fell apart, and he lacks the basics of the ground game.

That said, I respect the man for a lot of reasons.

1. He is in his 40's and stepping into an MMA bout. That is no easy task. Not everyone is Randy Couture.

2. He admitted he was very nervous and wasn't sure how he would react to being hit. It clearly threw him off a bit, but he weathered the storm and got the W via finish over an experienced opponent. Can't ask for more than that.

3. Going back to points 1 and 2 a bit - He fully admits he will never be a world champion. He respects the sport and wanted to try it out. He went through an 8 week camp with some legitimate MMA contenders, and competed.
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Don't dub fighters man, unless you have stepped into the ring, you don't know what it's like and have no reason to insult someone. I hate fighter-bashing. The guy may not have been in the best shape, however he has a legitimate career and a lot of fights under his belt.

I agree Bautista's performance was less than stellar. His striking defense fell apart, and he lacks the basics of the ground game.

That said, I respect the man for a lot of reasons.

1. He is in his 40's and stepping into an MMA bout. That is no easy task. Not everyone is Randy Couture.

2. He admitted he was very nervous and wasn't sure how he would react to being hit. It clearly threw him off a bit, but he weathered the storm and got the W via finish over an experienced opponent. Can't ask for more than that.

3. Going back to points 1 and 2 a bit - He fully admits he will never be a world champion. He respects the sport and wanted to try it out. He went through an 8 week camp with some legitimate MMA contenders, and competed.
Well said.. He looks uncomfortable but with time he has the potential be good at this sport. But he does need all around work
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:22 AM   #7
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Don't dub fighters man, unless you have stepped into the ring, you don't know what it's like and have no reason to insult someone. I hate fighter-bashing. The guy may not have been in the best shape, however he has a legitimate career and a lot of fights under his belt.

I agree Bautista's performance was less than stellar. His striking defense fell apart, and he lacks the basics of the ground game.

That said, I respect the man for a lot of reasons.

1. He is in his 40's and stepping into an MMA bout. That is no easy task. Not everyone is Randy Couture.

2. He admitted he was very nervous and wasn't sure how he would react to being hit. It clearly threw him off a bit, but he weathered the storm and got the W via finish over an experienced opponent. Can't ask for more than that.

3. Going back to points 1 and 2 a bit - He fully admits he will never be a world champion. He respects the sport and wanted to try it out. He went through an 8 week camp with some legitimate MMA contenders, and competed.
I'm not sure who you're defending here

There's a reason I don't get in the ring. It's because I think it's a pointless endeavor. Yay, they can beat an average person to death with their fists. Congratulations! Explain how that's a useful skill for society?

But regardless of that...

At no point did I insult anyone (I don't think) or do any bashing.

To me, the fight in the video was roughly the equivalent of watching Tony Saragusa suit up for a high school football game, today.

Just from appearances, I can't imagine the "experienced" fighter is even remotely close to the same physical shape that he was in for the majority of his career.

And Bautista may be in better physical shape than most rookie MMA fighters, but he should be fighting against equally "experienced" fighters and not some random guy who's probably way past the prime of his career.

The whole fight just didn't make any sense to me. Please see the ridiculousness as it is.
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I'm not sure who you're defending here

There's a reason I don't get in the ring. It's because I think it's a pointless endeavor. Yay, they can beat an average person to death with their fists. Congratulations! Explain how that's a useful skill for society?

But regardless of that...

At no point did I insult anyone (I don't think) or do any bashing.

To me, the fight in the video was roughly the equivalent of watching Tony Saragusa suit up for a high school football game, today.

Just from appearances, I can't imagine the "experienced" fighter is even remotely close to the same physical shape that he was in for the majority of his career.

And Bautista may be in better physical shape than most rookie MMA fighters, but he should be fighting against equally "experienced" fighters and not some random guy who's probably way past the prime of his career.

The whole fight just didn't make any sense to me. Please see the ridiculousness as it is.
I clearly highlighted what the insult was. "some chub from the crowd"? He has a pretty long MMA career if you had bothered to look it up.

I get it, you think MMA is a neanderthal sport and added a bunch of smileys.

How is it a useful skill? It doesn't make sense to you? Ok, well, that's your opinion.

You have a gun in your sig. You can point an object at something and have a piece of metal come out of it. Congratulations! How does that a useful skill in society?

See? I can take the same route. Don't bash someone or something just cuz you have no interest in it or know nothing about it.
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Batista is lazy he would've got knocked out by Ken Shamrock or any guy from UFC in the first 30 seconds.
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I clearly highlighted what the insult was.
Actually, no you didn't. You quoted my entire post. So, I wasn't sure what you were specifically responding to.

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"some chub from the crowd"? He has a pretty long MMA career if you had bothered to look it up.

I get it, you think MMA is a neanderthal sport and added a bunch of smileys.
And now that I know what you're referring to.

Like I pointed out, MMA's just not what I'm interested in. I don't understand why two human beings would want to get into a ring and bash each other's faces in. I don't get how someone could wake up and say to themselves, "Yeah, today feels like a great day to get punched/kicked in the head repeatedly!"

That's all. That doesn't mean I think MMA fighters are stupid or neanderthals. That being said, why would I do any kind of research into some MMA fighters career if he's obviously at the end of his career? I'm sure he did have a great career, but by the looks of it, he needs to hang up the gloves if he can't remain in the kind of physical shape that being an MMA fighter requires.

We can both agree, at least, that to be an MMA fighter you've got to be in bad ass shape. And this guy is obviously not. That's all I meant by it.


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How is it a useful skill? It doesn't make sense to you? Ok, well, that's your opinion.
You're right, it is my opinion. And I have yet to see anything that shows that it is a useful skill. MMA is two guys beating the crap out of each other. Plain and simple.

If it wasn't for the octagon fence around them and all the sponsors, they would both be arrested for assault. Trained or not, two people trying to draw blood from the other has no legitimate purpose in society other than some sadistic form of entertainment. I mean, why not give each fighter a weapon and fight to the death like in Roman times? We're only about 2 steps short of it at this point...

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You have a gun in your sig. You can point an object at something and have a piece of metal come out of it. Congratulations! How does that a useful skill in society?

See? I can take the same route. Don't bash someone or something just cuz you have no interest in it or know nothing about it.
Really?

There are LOTS of hunters in this country- probably quite a few on this forum. The deer or other wild game a hunter shoots can provide weeks of food for a family of four. That seems like a pretty useful skill to have.

Maybe an MMA fighter could bash a deer's head in with his bare hands.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:09 PM   #11
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allright, well, you have your (uneducated) opinion about the sport. I'm not going to create walls of texts on every point you made to try and change your opinion. I appreciate the physical and mental challenge, the discipline, and many other aspects of the sport.

I'll just say, it's pretty short-sighted to say, "my hobby is cool and useful but yours is pointless and stupid."

Thank heaven for internet and all the meaningful opinions on it.

Maybe we should get some Prius-lovers in here to tell us how stupid we are for owning camaros
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Dudes...please don't have me request the mods to lock this thread.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, regardless of the choice of words.
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allright, well, you have your (uneducated) opinion about the sport. I'm not going to create walls of texts on every point you made to try and change your opinion. I appreciate the physical and mental challenge, the discipline, and many other aspects of the sport.

I'll just say, it's pretty short-sighted to say, "my hobby is cool and useful but yours is pointless and stupid."

Thank heaven for internet and all the meaningful opinions on it.

Maybe we should get some Prius-lovers in here to tell us how stupid we are for owning camaros
Dude, I said the skill was pointless, not stupid.

If you'd like to continue putting words in my mouth, here:

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I fully understand that there is a massive amount of strategy involved in the sport. And you have to be pretty smart to succeed at it.

And I completely applaud someone for having the determination and will-power to maintain the kind of physical strength and endurance required to be competitive in the sport.

I would just hate to put all that energy into something and then get my brain rattled around in my skull too many times.

That's where I don't understand it. You're risking your entire body, and possibly your brain function, for what?
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you hate the sport yet clicked on a thread dedicated to an MMA fight

There is actually a very good "out of badass fighter shape" in UFC look up cowboy Nelson

I have respect for your opinion but you just don't know much about the sport to comment on it and its fighters
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That's where I don't understand it. You're risking your entire body, and possibly your brain function, for what?
Why do we take our car down a track as fast as it can go?

Why do people sky dive or bungie jump?

Why do guys try to do triple backflips on a moto cross bike?

It's their form of adrenaline rush, just cause you don't like it doesn't mean it not allowed to happen, if you don't like a song on the radio you change the station right? So if its on tv or in the newspaper change the channel or turn the page

Just don't get why you would click on this link to make a comment on something that obviously not in your interests
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MMA fights are like a human chess match. I definately prefer the submissions. Nothing like getting the other fighter to give up.

And Batista looked horrible. Wonder if the other guy trained at all. I even wonder if the guy was paid to take a dive.
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Dudes...please don't have me request the mods to lock this thread.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, regardless of the choice of words.
Send in the Chicken Police...LOL!!!


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MMA fights are like a human chess match. I definately prefer the submissions. Nothing like getting the other fighter to give up.

And Batista looked horrible. Wonder if the other guy trained at all. I even wonder if the guy was paid to take a dive.
Frank "Mur" vs Noguiera

A good stand-up scrap is good as well though. But out on the street, putting someone to sleep is the way to go
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you hate the sport yet clicked on a thread dedicated to an MMA fight

There is actually a very good "out of badass fighter shape" in UFC look up cowboy Nelson

I have respect for your opinion but you just don't know much about the sport to comment on it and its fighters
Jeebus, does no one read?

Did I say I hate the sport? No, I said I don't understand it.

And yes, I clicked the link to see how a former WWE wrestler (another "sport" I don't get, but find humorous) would fare in a competition where real fighting occurs.

But you're right, I don't know much about the sport. I thought you had to be in shape to compete at a high level. Now you're telling me that's not the case. Hey, maybe I've got a chance, then?

This whole "debate" is beyond ridiculous now. Sorry I hurt your delicate sensibilities by calling a chubby guy "chubs."

Heaven forbid
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This whole thread didn't go the way I expected it to...


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In other news, those bunnies were really confused...
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This whole thread didn't go the way I expected it to...
So, which way did you want it to go?
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:56 PM   #25
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So, which way did you want it to go?
Lol same question here actually.

As my 8 year old nephew asks, "what the problem is?"

We're having a debate. No biggie. My feelings ain't hurt. I hope nobody else's are. It's the Internet. People have opinions and disagree.

Here's to hoping the next few pages of this thread turn into a technical MMA discussion

I'll kick it off with agreeing that Mir v Big Nog II was a masterful display of high level BJJ. Never thought Mir would pull off that roll, and I knew there was no way Big Nog would tap. That was one of the most unbelievable finishes I have ever seen!

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