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Old 10-10-2012, 01:09 PM   #1
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Angry Paint Scratches From Nowhere

I already know the paint issues on this car.

That said, the past few days I have been noticing new scratches on my car. All of them are easy to spot....around 6 inches or larger...and all can be felt by using my fingernail...they don't appear to be surface scratches, but rather "deep" ones.

I have had one on the top of the hood that's about 6 inches, I've had one on the back above the rear diffuser that's about 7 to 8 inches, and now today I've got multiple marks on my driver's side front quarter panel over the wheel well that are at LEAST 7 inches long. It's starting to make me .

I Turtle Waxed the heck out of the car this past weekend and was able to get the hood scratch looking better...but now its back like I did nothing, and seems to have brought cousins.

Being that the car is black, everything shows...I knew that before I bought it and I'm not griping about that so much as I am just wondering...how does a car that goes almost nowhere and parks next to nothing get scratched?

My car doesn't even see parking lots at stores....my '07 Mustang GT has that duty, and doesn't have scratch one either.

So now I've got fish-eyes on the paint that's left on the car, and scratches everywhere else. It's enough to piss off a preacher. To top that off, I don't even touch the car when I wash it. I have a water softener attached to a spray wand that switches between soap and rinse...so the car has NEVER even been touched with a cloth! And I dry it with a leaf blower, so no chance there for scratches either.

My car just hit 2100 miles...at this rate, it's going to look like crap at 5000 miles.

Has anyone else out there noticed scratches appearing randomly in their paint??
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:20 PM   #2
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Is it kept inside all the time? Is there a cat in the area? When I had a dark car, there was a cat that liked to climb on it to warm itself.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:23 PM   #3
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I Turtle Waxed the heck out of the car this past weekend and was able to get the hood scratch looking better...but now its back like I did nothing, and seems to have brought cousins.
Step 1: Throw turtle wax in the trash.

As for the other stuff. The scratches are coming from road debris or your wash habits. Since you don't touch the car, its either things being blown around by the leaf blower or you just have bad luck with rocks.

Mine is a daily driver and I don't have any "random" scratches. I have nicks in the gills that are worse because I have wider after market wheels.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:31 PM   #4
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No cat is doing it. I've seen the same scratches.

Mine is locked in a garage and on security camera at work and parked away from others in parking lots.

It's either shit flying around in the air when we are driving (like someone mentioned), or some twisted fuk going up to it in open public and scratching it.

Only two such deep scratches on mine, but that's two too many.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:36 PM   #5
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Turtle Wax products work just fine, just make sure you are using polish to remove the scratches.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:39 PM   #6
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No cat is doing it. I've seen the same scratches.

Mine is locked in a garage and on security camera at work and parked away from others in parking lots.

It's either shit flying around in the air when we are driving (like someone mentioned), or some twisted fuk going up to it in open public and scratching it.

Only two such deep scratches on mine, but that's two too many.
I was wondering if someone was doing it intentionally..but the thing is..my car sits under a carport. The leaf blower isn't doing it...I'm super-anal about my wash process. Heck, I'm using a leaf blower....to dry my car....that should say enough right there.

Turtle Wax...I dunno. I'm not their spokesman or anything like that. My car doesn't go to shows so I'm not trying to make it showroom shine all the time.

If debris is causing this much damage, I'm concerned. Not sure what else it could be because at work, I've got my own assigned spots...yes, I got assigned two so I could double park way out in BFE as I have in my other cars for three years now...and I don't think anyone here has any vendetta with me. I'm the freaking I.T. guy....half these people forget I exist.

I'm just venting I guess because my car is just 3 months old and it's really starting to look bad.

I guess SSBlack and I are just really unlucky with road debris.

Side Note: Forgot to say, there are no pets around the car and no trees to speak of...but I won't rule out animals causing it. Though the carport would prevent anything falling from overhead and hitting it.
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Squirrels, I been on a personnal rampage to kill everyne i see, I found some scratches from one trying to get on my hood ,bit it was so slippery he kept sliding off,uugghh, Also what are you using to wash it, I would be using one of those microfiber wash mitts,Also agree with the other guy, throw away grandpas old turtle wax , There are many better brands out there , also what are you using to dry it? Microfiber once again i hope.
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Squirrels, I been on a personnal rampage to kill everyne i see, I found some scratches from one trying to get on my hood ,bit it was so slippery he kept sliding off,uugghh, Also what are you using to wash it, I would be using one of those microfiber wash mitts,Also agree with the other guy, throw away grandpas old turtle wax , There are many better brands out there , also what are you using to dry it? Microfiber once again i hope.


I am not using anything that touches the car during my wash or dry process.

And I just had to use the "read the thread" guy because I haven't had many chances...plus I did mention it in my OP.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:42 PM   #9
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Turtle Wax products work just fine, just make sure you are using polish to remove the scratches.
That was what I did...but I can see the scratches starting to show back up...the one on the hood isn't as bad yet, but you can tell it's starting to show back through.

Never had issues with Turtle Wax before...and I'm not splurging for Adams.

Worst products I have used were all Meguiar's. Freaking horrible and not cheap...so I've stuck to what I know.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:55 PM   #10
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I used quixx scratch remover to remove what I would describe as some pretty major scratches. It worked awesome and did it once and haven't had to do it again, i have washed the car at least 10 times since then. Like everyone else said don't bother with the turtle wax.
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:00 PM   #11
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:09 PM   #12
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There's a reason Turtle Wax is carried everywhere in auto parts, lowes, home depot, walmart... they didn't get to where they are by producing inferior products. But I will say this, Turtle Wax is what you pay for. If you get Turtle Wax (which is generally somewhat cheap), you are getting cheap protection, but protection none the less. No one can produce 20 or 40 dollar high quality wax and sell it for 5 to 10 dollars.

ShowSStopper, the only real thing you can do is buff them out and hope they actually come out. I literally finished my car a month ago to the point it was scratch and swirl free, and so far I have found about 3 more scratches on the paint. So the sad part is, if you drive it, scratches are going to happen. Unfortunately, that is just how paint is going to be.
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I feel your pain with the black. I also experience "spontaneous scratch emergence" I have no idea where they come from. But its not from washing, as I inspect every inch of my paint after washing. If I find a new scratch I whip out the porter cable and take care of it.

I think its just road debris in my case. But since I take care of new scratches right away, my car is in pretty good shape after 25k miles.

My wife take crap care about her black volvo, and it doesn't have a scratch on it. Camaro paint is down right shit! Next free weekend I get, the whole car is getting a fresh buff, and opti-coat 2.0 applied.
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:17 PM   #14
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I feel your pain with the black. I also experience "spontaneous scratch emergence" I have no idea where they come from. But its not from washing, as I inspect every inch of my paint after washing. If I find a new scratch I whip out the porter cable and take care of it.

I think its just road debris in my case. But since I take care of new scratches right away, my car is in pretty good shape after 25k miles.

My wife take crap care about her black volvo, and it doesn't have a scratch on it. Camaro paint is down right shit! Next free weekend I get, the whole car is getting a fresh buff, and opti-coat 2.0 applied.
Do it and don't turn back! I put on opticoat on my car http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250319
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Understand that when you wax you car and it seems the scratches disappear no matter what product you use, the scratches are still there but hid by fillers and oils in the product you are using. Until you remove the scratches by compounding and or polishing then they will still be there. Even when a detailer polishes out swirls and scratches he will go back and wipe down the panel with a IPA or cleaner now and then to confirm the imperfections are actually being removed.
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I'd place my bets on a stray cat. They love getting on cars because they're warm.

On an unrelated note, I've heard that rat poison mixes very well with tuna fish.
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Cats, squirrels, raccoons, all leave footprints. There wasn't even fingerprints, just scratches.

My scratches can't be buffed out. Look like it took a nail, or a blade to do this.

I'm not the IT guy, but I have access to our camera databases for other reasons and I know, no one goes near mine.

I'm thinking maybe when I'm parked in BFE at a store (not f'n Wal-Mart), someone goes up to it, pretending to admire it and then scratches it.

But, I've never seen anybody that close to it.
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I'm thinking maybe when I'm parked in BFE at a store (not f'n Wal-Mart), someone goes up to it, pretending to admire it and then scratches it.
Although there are quite the large amounts of d-bags in the world, I somehow really doubt this would be the cause of the scratches.

Honestly, I think it's much more likely that it was just road debris. This car scratches and swirls if you look at it the wrong way.
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Although there are quite the large amounts of d-bags in the world, I somehow really doubt this would be the cause of the scratches.

Honestly, I think it's much more likely that it was just road debris. This car scratches and swirls if you look at it the wrong way.
I'd like to think you're right. Things on the road have given me a flat before. Even put a hole in my gas tank.

No reason to think flying debris couldn't scratch it, too.
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The point about the turtle wax wasn't that it would damage the paint or not "wax". The point is that it isn't going to get rid of any scratches or swirls. It may hide them momentarily but after a wash or two the scratches will be back along with the new swirls you may have put in while you were waxing the first time.

You don't have to buy adams, there's plenty of other products. In order to remove scratches its going to take more than a microfiber towel and a bottle of turtle wax.

With that said, those long scratches don't sound like they are from your cleaning, especially if you can feel it with your finger nail. It's gotta be road debris. I suppose there's a SMALL possibility of it being a problem with your clear coat?
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The point about the turtle wax wasn't that it would damage the paint or not "wax". The point is that it isn't going to get rid of any scratches or swirls. It may hide them momentarily but after a wash or two the scratches will be back along with the new swirls you may have put in while you were waxing the first time.

You don't have to buy adams, there's plenty of other products. In order to remove scratches its going to take more than a microfiber towel and a bottle of turtle wax.

With that said, those long scratches don't sound like they are from your cleaning, especially if you can feel it with your finger nail. It's gotta be road debris. I suppose there's a SMALL possibility of it being a problem with your clear coat?
I believe people are saying Turtle Wax isn't good protection, so road debris can easily chip paint through it, as opposed to "better" protection that road debris might not as easily chip paint through,
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I already know the paint issues on this car.

That said, the past few days I have been noticing new scratches on my car. All of them are easy to spot....around 6 inches or larger...and all can be felt by using my fingernail...they don't appear to be surface scratches, but rather "deep" ones.

I have had one on the top of the hood that's about 6 inches, I've had one on the back above the rear diffuser that's about 7 to 8 inches, and now today I've got multiple marks on my driver's side front quarter panel over the wheel well that are at LEAST 7 inches long. It's starting to make me .

I Turtle Waxed the heck out of the car this past weekend and was able to get the hood scratch looking better...but now its back like I did nothing, and seems to have brought cousins.

Being that the car is black, everything shows...I knew that before I bought it and I'm not griping about that so much as I am just wondering...how does a car that goes almost nowhere and parks next to nothing get scratched?

My car doesn't even see parking lots at stores....my '07 Mustang GT has that duty, and doesn't have scratch one either.

So now I've got fish-eyes on the paint that's left on the car, and scratches everywhere else. It's enough to piss off a preacher. To top that off, I don't even touch the car when I wash it. I have a water softener attached to a spray wand that switches between soap and rinse...so the car has NEVER even been touched with a cloth! And I dry it with a leaf blower, so no chance there for scratches either.

My car just hit 2100 miles...at this rate, it's going to look like crap at 5000 miles.

Has anyone else out there noticed scratches appearing randomly in their paint??
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If they are deep, it is either animal or human intentional. Could you post a pic for clues?
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:26 PM   #24
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I have a black ss. There are scratches in clear coat everywhere. I've had mine for a almost two years. I've accepted it. The factory paint isn't great to begin with. I know why mines scratched..car wash. It's either that, or dont wash it, in my case. No matter what I do, no matter how careful I am...if it's a daily driver, something is going to happen, whether it was in my control or not. I love my ss wartSS and all.


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I used that Turtle Wax black with black dye in it. It fills in the scratch, makes it darker, but it's still visible.

I really don't sweat the light scratches and swirls. That's what a good weather weekend is for (getting out the buffer).

Deep scratches to the metal are a different story.
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