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Old 10-16-2012, 08:19 AM   #18
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I've not heard about fuel boiling. The thing that doesn't make sense, it is loses pressure past a certain rpm, rather than across the board.
The term for what I called fuel boiling is cavitation.
http://fuelab.com/customer-support/2...ing-cavitation
http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-ind...plication.html

I would recommend trying it with a full tank (the fuel pump can't heat the whole tank too much), adding an inline fuel cooler, and/or adding the volt regulator from Aeromotive. In that order. That's what I'm going to do.

BTW, cavitation can kill a fuel pump (but not always), which is maybe why some guys have seen failures.

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Old 10-16-2012, 04:03 PM   #19
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The term for what I called fuel boiling is cavitation.
http://fuelab.com/customer-support/2...ing-cavitation
http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-ind...plication.html

I would recommend trying it with a full tank (the fuel pump can't heat the whole tank too much), adding an inline fuel cooler, and/or adding the volt regulator from Aeromotive. In that order. That's what I'm going to do.

BTW, cavitation can kill a fuel pump (but not always), which is maybe why some guys have seen failures.

Good luck, Padre
Right now, i just have a regulator, but do not the the electronic voltage controller hooked up. I try and not run my tank below 1/4.
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:09 PM   #20
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I have the pump hooked up to a relay, haven't thought about the alternator, what voltage is your battery at when you're driving? Does it suck a lot of juice?
I haven't looked but I am sure it gets stressed from the nitrous, boost controller, methanol and all the other shit drawing power.

Make sure it is wired by itself and not in any way hooked to the stock wiring. This way you know it is getting all the power it needs and that somehow your ECM is trying to limit power to the pumps like some sort of limiter.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:21 AM   #21
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the more I look at this thread the better I feel i didnt jump on the aero...if it has all these variables, and confusing stuff...I am out....I am starting to feel like this is the thread on the ******* grill..just all kinda stories..ughhh.
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Old 10-21-2012, 03:55 PM   #22
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One more quick thought/tip on these pumps - You MUST use a relay mounted as close to the pump as possible with dedicated wiring. Thinking back on early installs, this caused a lot of headaches when not done. Hope that helps.
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Old 10-21-2012, 04:41 PM   #23
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Location of the relay is less important than using proper quality wiring.

Does nobody make a setup to run a pair of Bosch 044's or similar ?

They flow very well, and are 100% reliable. And unlike most other pumps, dont fall flat on their face when you the fuel pressure rises.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:34 PM   #24
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Garbage... 80 street miles on it and a few track passes, two 9-second passes, most were aborts from traction woes....

Made a single dyno pass last night on my combo, at 6100RPM's it went to ~20psi and crapped the bed. Screwed the regulator all the way down just to see, now the pump even with regulator all the way in makes maybe 40psi tops at idle. I have mine completely isolated with a single relay, running 10ga wire. I've installed probably 200+ of their series pumps in numerous applications (All externals).

Maybe I have a problem with the internal line, right now do not know what went wrong, frankly don't care I'll never use another Aeromotive series internal pump again.

Made 737rwhp through the unlocked 4l60E at 16psi @ 6100rpms.. Would have cracked 800+ on the low boost if I could have made a pass to 72.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:17 PM   #25
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I talked to Jesse from Aeromotive at SEMA. I told him all the issues I was having with the system and he's working with me on troubleshooting the issue, and promised to get me taken care of.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:55 PM   #26
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Squash is the way I'm going. Last thing I want is something going wrong at wot. Just need to watch the air/fuel gauge more closely now
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:58 PM   #27
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Squash is the way I'm going. Last thing I want is something going wrong at wot. Just need to watch the air/fuel gauge more closely now
isnt that a dual pump set-up? That is also asking for trouble, one pump fails and kaboom goes the motor.

I think most people are having problems due to poorly designed kits/wiring and not having the pump speed controller which is a must with an A1000 or bigger on the street.

To the OP, how much power are you making? The A1000 is rated at 1000bhp with FI on a fuel injected motor per aeromotive's website, that should be around 850rwhp. You could try to set your base fuel pressure at 50psi and do the pull one more time, the pump probably cant flow that much fuel at that high of a pressure.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:15 AM   #28
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Good thing about his kit is you can choose the pump you want. 1 big pump, 2 big pumps, 2 small pumps, whatever combo you like. Just call him. You run one pump all the time till a certain boost level, with his integrated hardware, fuel pressure regulator. And misc. parts. Over the last few years, he has perfected his setup.

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Old 11-19-2012, 10:20 AM   #29
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isnt that a dual pump set-up? That is also asking for trouble, one pump fails and kaboom goes the motor.

I think most people are having problems due to poorly designed kits/wiring and not having the pump speed controller which is a must with an A1000 or bigger on the street.
I have EVERYTHING that is required (And then some in my opinion), including 10 gauge wiring, direct relay to battery, A1000 regulator, etc.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:54 AM   #30
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I have been running ADM's twin pump setup for almost 3 years and 45k miles with no issues. I'm pushing just over 700 rwhp.
I've heard of a lot of issues with the Aeromotive pumps lately. I have built or been involved with a lot of Camaro high horsepower builds and I either use the ADM twin or the ZL1 with ADM's fuel pump controler, depending on the horsepower level.
Check with ADM, Andy's fuel systems just work, You never hear of an unhappy customer with ADM products or builds.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:57 AM   #31
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I agree with the above post. I have the ADM twin fuel pump set-up and its been fantastic. Two thumbs up to all the ADM crew for making a depending set-up.
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Unfortunately I have spoken to ADM and LPE about using their respective systems on my car, I'll just be out of the power range that would hold. Damn!

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Old 11-19-2012, 12:22 PM   #33
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Unfortunately I have spoken to ADM and LPE about using their respective systems on my car, I'll just be out of the power range that would hold. Damn!

- Matt

I hear ya! I have the LPE twin pump now. My car is down getting the new motor installed as well as the full return style Aeromotive fuel system with Stealth eliminator pump, speed controller etc, etc. I am pinging about this system going in correctly. Aeromotive assures me it will work fine! Guess we will see!
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:52 PM   #34
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Unfortunately I have spoken to ADM and LPE about using their respective systems on my car, I'll just be out of the power range that would hold. Damn!

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Our setup flows twice as much as those, and the A1000 setup.... All is not lost!

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