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Old 10-14-2012, 01:41 PM   #1
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So were these two finally tested side by side.

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...2/viewall.html. 1LE vs. Boss 302.
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Old 10-14-2012, 02:13 PM   #2
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Not surprising the 1LE is faster. I've raced plenty of 302's in the Shelby club I belong to and they routinely see my tail lights. I'm the only Camaro in the club and no one gives me crap because they know what my car can do. The Boss needs the bigger tires up front like the 1LE to help with understeer, amongst other things.
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Old 10-14-2012, 03:15 PM   #3
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So they choose the track-car that is:
1. Harder to drive/control
2. Slower around the track
3. And cost thousands of $$$$ more

Who are these people???
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Old 10-14-2012, 03:54 PM   #4
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So they choose the track-car that is:
1. Harder to drive/control
2. Slower around the track
3. And cost thousands of $$$$ more

Who are these people???
Ford fans. Please forgive them as they know no better.
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Repost. Posted on Aug. 14th. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243878
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Oh...koolaid drinkers.
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Old 10-14-2012, 07:20 PM   #7
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Old 10-15-2012, 08:13 AM   #8
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There was another internet magazine that compared the two with actual laptimes etc, the 1LE beat the boss by 2.5 sec around gingerman I believe. Not bad.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/_mob...amaro-ss-1le-2
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:10 AM   #9
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There was another internet magazine that compared the two with actual laptimes etc, the 1LE beat the boss by 2.5 sec around gingerman I believe. Not bad.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/_mob...amaro-ss-1le-2
The comments (below) per that article show so much ignorance. I also think its funny how hard some mags try to be "extra" non-biased (advertising $$$$ no doubt). How is a car that's harder to control more fun??? Everything written regarding the Boss and GT500 shows the Mustang chassis is old school. Some will complain about the Camaro's weight, but that chassis is an incredible platform for tracking.

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Old 10-16-2012, 10:43 AM   #10
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The comments (below) per that article show so much ignorance. I also think its funny how hard some mags try to be "extra" non-biased (advertising $$$$ no doubt). How is a car that's harder to control more fun??? Everything written regarding the Boss and GT500 shows the Mustang chassis is old school. Some will complain about the Camaro's weight, but that chassis is an incredible platform for tracking.
Having driven both I'd give the tires and wheel track advantage to the Camaro. Ironically the SRA chassis of the Boss feels more nimble, controllable and exhibits better balance.
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I agree if you're comparing to the standard SS but every review I've read says the 1LE has incredible balance compared to the SS and feels mroe nimble due to the suspension and electric assist steering. I'd be crious to get your opinion if you get behind the wheel of a 1LE.
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Old 10-16-2012, 03:32 PM   #12
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Having driven both I'd give the tires and wheel track advantage to the Camaro. Ironically the SRA chassis of the Boss feels more nimble, controllable and exhibits better balance.
I'm sure over an SS. Forget the SS without the 1LE package, it's set up for the cruiser not the enthusiast. Apples and oranges.
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:41 PM   #13
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Keep in minf the 2013 ss suspension changed to, significantly improving the ss handling. The SS has more appropriate street tires than the boss 302 too.
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Keep in minf the 2013 ss suspension changed to, significantly improving the ss handling. The SS has more appropriate street tires than the boss 302 too.
I know there were suspension improvements in 2012 but haven't heard anything new about the 2013 SS. How is the 2013 different from the 2012? I think they're the same besides the addition of 1LE.
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Old 10-16-2012, 05:08 PM   #15
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I think you might be right, they copied the zl1 anti roll bar drop points to get more roll stiffness, reducing understeer.
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:22 AM   #16
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I know there were suspension improvements in 2012 but haven't heard anything new about the 2013 SS. How is the 2013 different from the 2012? I think they're the same besides the addition of 1LE.
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I want to know how the 1LE will do against the Laguna Seca!
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I want to know how the 1LE will do against the Laguna Seca!
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Great article, but it isn't a 1LE vs laguna seca back to back comparo.

Oh well, I'm sure someone will do it soon.
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Great article, but it isn't a 1LE vs laguna seca back to back comparo.

Oh well, I'm sure someone will do it soon.
I sure hope so. I'm expecting motor trend to step up. They usually have videos to go with their comparisons too. I just hope they put it against the Laguna Seca. It seems the other magazines don't think the 1LE can hang with it.
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I agree if you're comparing to the standard SS but every review I've read says the 1LE has incredible balance compared to the SS and feels mroe nimble due to the suspension and electric assist steering. I'd be crious to get your opinion if you get behind the wheel of a 1LE.
Wasn't driving an SS, although I am incorrectly comparing the ZL1 from which the suspension is derived to the Boss. Perhaps the different tire set-up and lack of the MR suspension and blower weight will make the 1LE feel better balanced but it was strictly shear grip and confidence in the IRS that allowed me to go fast in the ZL1. It lacked the balance and toss ability of the Boss IMHO.
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PS. Have I mentioned the grip in the ZL1? Tenacious.
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I am confused how balance and tossability are present in the same car? You would think balance is tied to a car that has neutral handling (1LE) and very good limit grip on both axles.

I am not sure what to understand tossability as? Response to inputs? Easier to drift/slide?
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Probably perceived lightness. The flex in the Mustang's weaker chassis will add or take away from its "perceived" capabilities. Give me a more rigid chassis to work with any day.

Also as a note the Camaro's more rigid chassis will give it a feeling/sense of being heavier than it actually is, "perceived" as less tossable. Full framed race-cars do not feel tossable they feel planted!
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I am confused how balance and tossability are present in the same car? You would think balance is tied to a car that has neutral handling (1LE) and very good limit grip on both axles.

I am not sure what to understand tossability as? Response to inputs? Easier to drift/slide?
A car that responds to directional change instantly and as a whole unit. The big difference IMHO between the Boss and the GT or GT500. The wheels turn on those cars but it feels as if the body and therefore directional change lag a bit behind. I found this to be even worse on the first C5 Camaro I ever drove (sorry, don't remember which trim level), and still a wee bit present in the ZL1, although the way this Monster deals with undulations, rough pavement, and curbs more than makes up for the delay in transient response. As I said, the ZL1 is all kinds of impressive grip with the body managing to keep up with the tires rather than leading them. No criticism, just my own personal experience and perspective. Just test drove a DB9 that while a great car overall, feel even less connected to the road. My benchmark in this category is actually the current Cayman S. Leech like with an unbelievable agility.
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