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Old 06-03-2009, 12:15 PM   #1
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10 Camaros that should be built

Original article here: http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightlin...right-now.html

Forget about bankruptcy. GM's big problem is the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro. The fools in the Center of Renaissance aren't building enough of them. They need to be cranking out more badass versions of their new red-hot hot rod; like right now. You know, before Obama and the Green Brigade take it away from us.

The Camaro needs saving. Here are my brilliant ideas how to save it.

The T-Top Camaro
From 1978 through 2002, Chevy offered the Camaro with translucent T-tops. That's 25 model years! T-tops are as much a part of Camaro heritage as high school parking lot burnouts, and it's inexcusable that the Camaro has returned without them.

GM should avoid the temptation to innovate, however. No power operation. No light-sensitive special tinting glass. Just order up some glass panels from whomever still builds them, break out the Sawz-Alls, and start installing.

The Diesel Camaro
Imagine this: Camaro Duramax SS. I dream of planting my Florsheim into the accelerator pedal of a Camaro packing a turbocharged, 6.6-liter V8 thumping out a massive 660 pound-feet of torque.

Sure the Duramax turbodiesel V8 spins to only 3,450 rpm, but by that time it could mulch a BMW 335d. And fueled with fry oil, the Camaro Duramax SS would be politically correct enough to serve as an Earth Day parade car for Ed Begley, Jr. Plus, think of the CAFE advantages.

Most of the engineering here is already done. All it takes is a leap of imagination, some faith in audacity, and a fortified version of the T56 six-speed manual transmission.

The Camaro Hybrid
A good chunk of the public is mesmerized by the word "hybrid." So give them what they want. I suggest the company just port the "Two-Mode" hybrid system over from the Tahoe Hybrid to the Camaro. Sure it wouldn't be much of a hybrid, but it would be hybrid enough to goose sales, plus Obama would love it.

Increasing sales over time would be easy. Just glue on more "Hybrid" stickers. They've proven to increase sales and decrease a vehicle's carbon footprint all by themselves, so why not take advantage of the new adhesives technologies out there.

The Camaro Sedan
Pontiac is dead and it takes the wonderful G8 sedan with it. But all it needs is a new grille, a fresh set of taillights and some fresh badges to become the first Camaro Sedan. As to those of you purists who would decry the Camaro morphing into a four-door, in this market no one can afford to be a purist. So get over it.

There's a BMW M3 sedan, a Dodge Charger sedan and there's about to be a Porsche sedan. The time for the family-friendly Camaro has come.

The Camaro Wagon
Speaking of family-friendly, it seems Australia's Holden builds a wagon version of the G8 (er, Commodore) called, cleverly, the Sportwagon. So slap the Camaro nose on that and get it into showrooms!

Fact is, BMW has had an M5 wagon in Europe for years, and Benz will sell you an E63 wagon right here in the USA. Well, how about a power man's version. Make mine a silver SS with V8 power and a six-speed manual.

The Camaro Camino
Hey, I've already turned the Camaro into a sedan and wagon, so why not a truck, too?

When Pontiac was Pontiac...way back in 2008...the 2010 G8 ST sport truck seemed inevitable. OK, that didn't work out. So it's simple: All GM does is take the nose it will use on the Camaro sedan and apply it to some Holden utes. And combining the Camaro and El Camino into one vehicle would be the ultimate expression of redneck culture.

The Camaro Grand National
It's not like Buick is doing anything with its glorious Grand National heritage. So GM should let Chevy use it.

The base Camaro's 3.6-liter DOHC 24-valve V6 is rated at a stout 304 horsepower -- more than most V8 Camaros had when they left the factory. Imagine then, how good this V6 would be with a couple of turbos packing the atmosphere in as quickly as possible.

I'm thinking something like 500 hp with a nasty turbo whine to go with it. Plus it would get decent fuel mileage when the car was driven lightly, which should keep the Greenies off its back.

The Camaro IROC 1LE
For those of us who grew up in the '80s, the greatest Camaro was the IROC. And the greatest IROC was the ready-to-race 1LE.

Transforming the 2010 Camaro into an IROC means a new hood with oversize NACA ducts, a ducktail rear spoiler and a set of gorgeous five-spoke wheels. Then, just like Chevy did in 1989, when the new IROC is ordered without air-conditioning and with a performance axle ratio, it should automatically become a 1LE, ready to go showroom-stock racing. That means carbon-ceramic Brembo brakes swiped from the Corvette ZR1; an engine oil cooler; stiffer shocks, stiffer springs and thicker bars; a lightweight carbon driveshaft; and a baffled fuel tank to keep the race gas from sloshing away from the pickup during hard cornering.

Topping it off should be a few mods: powertrain, chassis and suspension from the aftermarket like Ford did with the Cobra R Mustang a few years back. Then to push the IROC further, they ought to bring back the International Race of Champions and use production IROC 1LEs as the racecars.

The Camaro Z28
Everyone expects and wants a Camaro running the Corvette Z06's 505-hp 7.0-liter LS7 V8. So let's call it the Z28. Duh.

The Camaro ZL1
Just as obvious is a Camaro with the Corvette ZR1's supercharged 638-hp LS9. It would be even better than a mere Z28. So call it the ZL1.

Then, of course, there's mixing and matching, like a Camaro wagon hybrid or a diesel-powered Camaro sedan. So which one would you buy? I'm driving home in a Camaro ZL1 Wagon. You're welcome
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Old 06-03-2009, 12:18 PM   #2
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I see a Camaro Hybrid and a twin turbo V6 in the future. Everything else other than the Z/28 seems far fetched.
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Old 06-03-2009, 12:54 PM   #3
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I see a Camaro Hybrid and a twin turbo V6 in the future. Everything else other than the Z/28 seems far fetched.
Or a turbo 4.
Its a new generation that GM has to answer to now, if it doesn't somehow have "Green" attached to it, its not gonna make it past the "new Government Motors" management.
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Can you guys REALLY not tell if that was serious or not, or are YOU the ones who are joking? Did you actually read it?

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Increasing sales over time would be easy. Just glue on more "Hybrid" stickers. They've proven to increase sales and decrease a vehicle's carbon footprint all by themselves, so why not take advantage of the new adhesives technologies out there.
^One of the funniest things I've read in all of my months lurking on this site...

Oh, and lastly: Will this great new retro Camaro be instrumental in bringing back into fashion the Camaro Mullet?
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Old 06-03-2009, 01:16 PM   #9
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Entertaining write up!
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LOL! Chalk me up for a Duramax Camaro Sedan....wth I have 4 kids! Ha!
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I don't think the diesel is a bad idea..torque from God and great fuel economy. I doubt there is room for the batteries of a hybrid in this platform.

The wagon, ST, and Sedan iterations that this person speaks of should be grounds for death by Toyota boredom - handcuff the author to the steering wheel of a Corolla and superglue The Starland Vocal Band in the player, hit repeat, crank the volume and lock the doors on 'em. Dying to "Afternoon Delite" may be too good for this creep.
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Old 06-03-2009, 01:31 PM   #12
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If only it where that easy. GM has to change to and stay. Forever... a lean mean fighting machine. With fewer, better car offerings. Not more stuff.. just more headaches and costs. Let the aftermarket deal with post production goodies.
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think about the weight of a diesel camaro

that would be crazy
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Monty. they should just straight up bring the UTE as the El camino.... since it was half way done with its US testing anyways for Pontiac.

and yes the G8 should gain 3 inches and become the new impala... but should be rebadged Caprice... and have the Impala SS as the top trim level.


Um yeah... I'm all for the Duramax Diesel Turbo and the GNX..... Those are actually very good options.

Although GM is not known for their work with Twin Charged machines... they've had two i think.... the GNX its self... and the Citation Twin charged? Maybe the Typhoon/Cyclone but i thought those were singularly charged.
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i wouldn't mind a light weight awd version

would make a sweet track car
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The T-Top Camaro- I will support that but the body will not
The Diesel Camaro- I think NOT
The Camaro Hybrid- Yeppers coming beleive it or not it will get 5k miles on Democrat Farts

The Camaro Sedan HUM HECK NO
The Camaro Wagon- go to H e Double hockey sticks
The Camaro Camino- NO
The Camaro Grand National- I think NOT
The Camaro IROC 1LE Will never happen IROC IS DEAD as of last year or so.
The Camaro Z28- Using the ZR1 engine detuned I can see this, being top dog once again

The Camaro ZL1 if you have the Z28 you shouldnt need this
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-As noted T-Tops - Nope, structual integrity not there.
-Diesel - sorta kills the whole gas chugging ticket magnet if it doesn't actually use gas.... Also the T56 out in favor of the TR6060
-a Hybrid that actually performed near equal to the V6 would be acceptable.
-Camaro sedan - However, bring back the Monte as a 2dr sedan on the Zeta platform with IRS and we'll talk
-El Camino based off the Monte front end would be something I'd never drive but someone with short hair in the front/ long in the back is out there waiting for it
-Camaro Grand national wanna be isn't needed or wanted. Buick still exisits. They can make it on the Zeta their-own-damn-selves
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-Z/28, yes please, LS7 is out of future production models. even if it wasn't cost cutting would kill it as a too expensive hand assembled boondoggle.
LSA is most logical choice.
-ZL1 with the LS9 would be crazy expensive. not only just the cost hike over the non-forged LSA but the other car internals that would need to be swapped.
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Camaro Sedan - Apostasy!

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The Camaro Sedan
Pontiac is dead and it takes the wonderful G8 sedan with it. But all it needs is a new grille, a fresh set of taillights and some fresh badges to become the first Camaro Sedan. As to those of you purists who would decry the Camaro morphing into a four-door, in this market no one can afford to be a purist. So get over it.
A Camaro sedan would be a true apostasy, but then again look what Dodge did to the Charger.

With the government running GM through it's appointed minions anything is possible.

SSOOCH, this was a funny, insightful, and a well thought out post. Keep them coming!
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