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Old 08-29-2015, 05:10 PM   #1
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Hawk Ceramics or 5.0s?

My first concern is to reduce the amount of brake dust on my polished rims. Outside of this, I am happy with the stopping force, disc wear, and lack of noise. When I first got the car, the pedal was high and hard. It was not linear at all. After a little break-in, they were good. I do not ask a lot from my brakes. However, they make 5X too much dust

I called tech on the Hawk pads. The guy I spoke with was really knowledgeable. He told me some things I did not even think about. All good stuff, but he tried to talk me into the 5.0s. He admitted that they would make a bit more dust, and that it would be darker dust as compared to the ceramics. He also admitted that there might be a bit more noise too. But, the increase in braking power would make it all worthwhile.

It would seem to me that greater braking power would mean more disc wear and heat. There would be greater potential for noise, and dust over the ceramic. Tech said that the Ceramic will stop better than the stock pads.

Given my prime objective of less dust, and minor concern for disc wear and noise, I am not even considering the 5.0s. Especially if the ceramics stop better than the stock pads to boot. I am looking for input from anyone how has tried both on a ZL1. Tell me why the 5.0 would be the better choice.
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I have heard many say the stock pads are better than ceramic for stopping. Ceramic, less dust.
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Old 08-29-2015, 05:19 PM   #3
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I have heard many say the stock pads are better than ceramic for stopping. Ceramic, less dust.
I kind of thought the same, but not according to the tech I spoke with...
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Just cruising around town the ceramics will perform as well as stock. However, once you start driving hard or hit the autoX or track and they begin to get some heat in them they fade very quickly. Running ceramics essentially defeats the entire purpose of 6 pot calipers. In our experience the Hawk HPS pads dust less than stock but perform better.
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Old 08-29-2015, 08:30 PM   #5
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Just cruising around town the ceramics will perform as well as stock. However, once you start driving hard or hit the autoX or track and they begin to get some heat in them they fade very quickly. Running ceramics essentially defeats the entire purpose of 6 pot calipers. In our experience the Hawk HPS pads dust less than stock but perform better.
This. I have the Hawk pads and love them. But then I don't race, so the lack of performance isn't an issue for me.
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Old 08-29-2015, 09:15 PM   #6
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This. I have the Hawk pads and love them. But then I don't race, so the lack of performance isn't an issue for me.

Same here. Almost no brake dust with the Hawks.
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Old 08-29-2015, 09:23 PM   #7
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Do you guys get your rotors to last through 2 sets of pads? How far do you let the pads wear? Mine are at about 50% with 12,000 miles. I have some track time on them. Rotors look like they have 1/16" wear. I will mic them when I change pads.
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:17 AM   #8
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I was probably the first one to put ceramic pads on back in May of 2012. Currently just over 45,000 miles on the Hawk ceramic pads. Pads show hardly any wear, rotors look almost new. Dust is a medium grey color and there is considerably less. I don't track the car. The occasional panic stop "stops on a dime".

If anyone is interested in a set (front and rear) of like new OEM pads with 1,700 miles send PM.
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Old 08-30-2015, 02:40 PM   #9
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Just cruising around town the ceramics will perform as well as stock. However, once you start driving hard or hit the autoX or track and they begin to get some heat in them they fade very quickly. Running ceramics essentially defeats the entire purpose of 6 pot calipers. In our experience the Hawk HPS pads dust less than stock but perform better.
I do not autoX or track the car. It is a DD, but I run it hard on occasion. Do you think there would ever be an occasion where the factory pads would have out performed the Ceramics? I know you do not have a crystal ball, but shooting from the hip.

What is the purpose of a six pot caliper?

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This. I have the Hawk pads and love them. But then I don't race, so the lack of performance isn't an issue for me.
Which model Hawk pads? You have noticed them under performing the factory pads? If yes, how so?

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Same here. Almost no brake dust with the Hawks.
Which model Hawks? Have you notice less performance than the factory pads?

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I was probably the first one to put ceramic pads on back in May of 2012. Currently just over 45,000 miles on the Hawk ceramic pads. Pads show hardly any wear, rotors look almost new. Dust is a medium grey color and there is considerably less. I don't track the car. The occasional panic stop "stops on a dime".
Thank you for your input!
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Old 08-30-2015, 04:02 PM   #10
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I bought all ceramic 4 pads from break performance I believe for 120. About a year and a half ago and hardly any dust. No noise. And stops just fine
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Old 08-30-2015, 05:50 PM   #12
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Which model Hawk pads? You have noticed them under performing the factory pads? If yes, how so?
I bought the HB 194 Z.570 performance ceramic. Better stated, I presume there would be some performance loss under race conditions. I've not really noticed any appreciable difference. I absolutely LOVE them. There is hardly any dust, which is cool because the ten spoke black wheels are a bi-awtch to clean. Lol
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Old 08-30-2015, 06:44 PM   #13
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I bought the HB 194 Z.570 performance ceramic. Better stated, I presume there would be some performance loss under race conditions. I've not really noticed any appreciable difference. I absolutely LOVE them. There is hardly any dust, which is cool because the ten spoke black wheels are a bi-awtch to clean. Lol
So the front, and rear take the same pad?
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Old 08-30-2015, 06:55 PM   #14
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Misinformation about braking flat out p... makes my blood boil.

Rule #1 if there is less dust, there is less braking. Period.

Brake dust is created by friction as the brake pads clamp against the rotor. Friction stops your car. Friction creates dust by grinding off some of the rotor and some of the pad. Th only way to reduce dust is to reduce friction. If you don't understand this, see Rule #1.

When people that make brake pads or sell brake pads or use brake pads tell you there isn't much difference or they are as good as the OE pads know this. Brembo spends more money on R & D than all the other brake companies in the world combined. GM is one of the largest Brembo customers. The brakes and pads on our ZL1 have been tested for virtually condition you will encounter on the street or during light tracking. The brakes have been validated.

A client of mine exchanged a series of messages after his first track session with DTC 70 front, 60 rear, new OE rotors and SRF brake fluid were installed. He is thrilled. The performance was stunning. His wheels are covered in rotor and brake pad dust. Filthy dirty. That is what good brakes do.

The OE pads on a 5th Gen Camaro are excellent for all round use. Your choices are clear. You can use a pad that will not stop as well but makes less dust on your high performance Camaro or wash your wheels more often. When some jerk pull out ion front of you, when a child runs in front of you on a side street and every inch of stopping distance matters in a measure of life and death is less brake dust really worth it?
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Both front & rear pads are same material, different part#. I have the ceramic pads on my car, less brake dust and still stops quicker than my silverado or my wife's cruze!
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Justice Pete,
Point taken, aren't the brakes on the ZL1 even with the ceramic pads still way better than the majority of cars out there?
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Point taken, aren't the brakes on the ZL1 even with the ceramic pads still way better than the majority of cars out there?
The six pot fronts are more for repeatable stops as heat builds i.e. road course use, but the overall braking is very good.
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Point taken, aren't the brakes on the ZL1 even with the ceramic pads still way better than the majority of cars out there?
IMO, the answer to your question is "yes". I've had the Hawk pads for a year and have never noticed any difference in stoppage and don't think I'm taking a risk with a life and death situation by using them. They work great, but I respect the opinions or others that say the OEM pads are a better safety choice.
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I do not autoX or track the car. It is a DD, but I run it hard on occasion. Do you think there would ever be an occasion where the factory pads would have out performed the Ceramics? I know you do not have a crystal ball, but shooting from the hip.

What is the purpose of a six pot caliper?

The six piston calipers has an almost identical level of braking force as the 4 piston SS calipers. The advantage to six piston calipers is heat dissipation. You can push them harder for longer. The stock pads will perform better than ceramics in all situations beyond pedestrian red light stops. With any aggressive use the stock pads are better than ceramic and HPS is better than stock.
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:54 PM   #20
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The six piston calipers has an almost identical level of braking force as the 4 piston SS calipers. The advantage to six piston calipers is heat dissipation. You can push them harder for longer. The stock pads will perform better than ceramics in all situations beyond pedestrian red light stops. With any aggressive use the stock pads are better than ceramic and HPS is better than stock.
With less dust...right?

I see you carry the HPS 5.0. Can you tell me how they compare to the HPS?
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With less dust...right?

I see you carry the HPS 5.0. Can you tell me how they compare to the HPS?
Correct. Honestly, I do not understand the 5.0 pads. I can't tell any difference between the performance of the HPS and 5.0 pads in any regard.
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