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Old 10-20-2012, 09:21 PM   #1
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Any blown up ZL1 engines yet?

So after so much controversy over the ZL1 not having a forged engine has anyone blown up a motor yet?
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Old 10-21-2012, 05:37 AM   #2
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Old 10-21-2012, 07:27 AM   #3
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Old 10-21-2012, 07:59 AM   #4
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These same engines have been in the Cadillacs for years. My tuner told me they go north off 800 rwp on stock bottom ends often. No problems. Very solid engines with unbelievable potential. IMO the only danger would be a bad tune.
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:07 PM   #5
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Yeah I know the engine has been around in the caddy's I was just curious how it's doing so far the ZL1 since the cars arch rival has already blown up 2 of there FORGED engines....
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Yeah I know the engine has been around in the caddy's I was just curious how it's doing so far the ZL1 since the cars arch rival has already blown up 2 of there FORGED engines....
They were also trying to see how far they could go with the new 5.8. It's not like the engines weren't being pushed to the limits. Also the weak link of the 5.8 is the rods, that would have been why it blew up (the part of the engine that ISN'T forged).

Lethal was trying to push the limits to find out where you can safely take these cars. The other blown one is because some smarty-pants , who probably should have been aborted, modded his car and was beating on it like a moron.
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They were also trying to see how far they could go with the new 5.8. It's not like the engines weren't being pushed to the limits. Also the weak link of the 5.8 is the rods, that would have been why it blew up (the part of the engine that ISN'T forged).

Lethal was trying to push the limits to find out where you can safely take these cars. The other blown one is because some smarty-pants, who probably should have been aborted, modded his car and was beating on it like a moron.
What are the limits on the 5.8?
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What are the limits on the 5.8?
I looked again and it turns out that lethal didn't technically blowup the engine. Around 800RWHP (Reliably) then you would probably need new rods...
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They were also trying to see how far they could go with the new 5.8. It's not like the engines weren't being pushed to the limits. Also the weak link of the 5.8 is the rods, that would have been why it blew up (the part of the engine that ISN'T forged).

Lethal was trying to push the limits to find out where you can safely take these cars. The other blown one is because some smarty-pants, who probably should have been aborted, modded his car and was beating on it like a moron.
1. I'll give it to evolution (not lethal) that they pushed the car pretty hard to find it's limits but it popped doing what everyone said it would be safe doing then they all fell back on the old "trying to find limits excuse". If livernois would have blown up the car they had everyone would be all over it for not being forged.

2. So with your mindset the engines are fine as long as you don't mod them and don't drive them hard? Fact is these cars are going to be pushed not only power wise but also in longevity and personally I think the "over rev" feature will be the biggest problem for the 5.8.
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I looked again and it turns out that lethal didn't technically blowup the engine. Around 800RWHP (Reliably) then you would probably need new rods...
That's the crazy part both engines are roughly the same when it comes to there ability to handle power(safely)assuming a good time except the gt500 is "fully" forged and the LSA isn't just doesn't make sense.
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1. I'll give it to evolution (not lethal) that they pushed the car pretty hard to find it's limits but it popped doing what everyone said it would be safe doing then they all fell back on the old "trying to find limits excuse". If livernois would have blown up the car they had everyone would be all over it for not being forged.

2. So with your mindset the engines are fine as long as you don't mod them and don't drive them hard? Fact is these cars are going to be pushed not only power wise but also in longevity and personally I think the "over rev" feature will be the biggest problem for the 5.8.
No the problem is all of the blown engines I have seen were because people were taking them to 7200 RPM or Higher (places that the engine not safe for the engine to go to) 7000 RPM is a limited RPM for a reason.

That's what I love about Camaro5 people love to twist things on this site. I said "Beating on it like a moron" translation for you "TREATING THE CAR LIKE SHIT, LITERALLY BEATING ON THE CAR, NOT JUST DRIVING IT HARD, PRETENDING IT IS A CHEATING WIFE AND BEATING UNTIL IT BLOWS UP"

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Old 10-21-2012, 02:00 PM   #13
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That's the crazy part both engines are roughly the same when it comes to there ability to handle power(safely)assuming a good time except the gt500 is "fully" forged and the LSA isn't just doesn't make sense.
THE GT500 ISN'T FULLY FORGED, anyone with a brain knows that the rods are powder forged, the one major weak link of the engine….
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THE GT500 ISN'T FULLY FORGED, anyone with a brain knows that the rods are powder forged, the one major weak link of the engine….
Same as the LSA if I'm not mistaken.
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No the problem is all of the blown engines I have seen were because people were taking them to 7200 RPM or Higher (places that the engine not safe for the engine to go to) 7000 RPM is a limited RPM for a reason.

That's what I love about Camaro5 people love to twist things on this site. I said "Beating on it like a moron" translation for you "TREATING THE CAR LIKE SHIT, LITERALLY BEATING ON THE CAR, NOT JUST DRIVING IT HARD, PRETENDING IT IS A CHEATING WIFE AND BEATING UNTIL IT BLOWS UP"

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Sorry didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Sadly you are the one with the wrong info not me.
1. Evolution blew up there motor NOT Lethal.
2. The 2013 DOES have forged rods.
3. The op said during a "spirited" 4th gear pull you said and I quote
you "TREATING THE CAR LIKE SHIT, LITERALLY BEATING ON THE CAR, NOT JUST DRIVING IT HARD, PRETENDING IT IS A CHEATING WIFE AND BEATING UNTIL IT BLOWS UP"

I guess your right camaro5 members (YOU) do like to twist things.
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Sorry didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Sadly you are the one with the wrong info not me.
1. Evolution blew up there motor NOT Lethal.
2. The 2013 DOES have forged rods.
3. The op said during a "spirited" 4th gear pull you said and I quote
you "TREATING THE CAR LIKE SHIT, LITERALLY BEATING ON THE CAR, NOT JUST DRIVING IT HARD, PRETENDING IT IS A CHEATING WIFE AND BEATING UNTIL IT BLOWS UP"

I guess your right camaro5 members (YOU) do like to twist things.
The 2013 does not have forged rods it has powder forged rods just like the 2007-2012, the same weak link in the 5.4L GT500's

He drives like a idiot also, shifts at 7,200 rpm and hammered it probably 1,100 of the 1,300 miles it lived thru.

Reading past the first post is always a good idea, it's how you know if someone has posted more information…

I'm aware that Lethal didn't blow up the engine that is why I corrected myself….
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THE GT500 ISN'T FULLY FORGED, anyone with a brain knows that the rods are powder forged, the one major weak link of the engine….
Powder forging is still forged its just not the best type of forging so your wrong AGAIN.
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Powder forging is still forged its just not the best type of forging so your wrong AGAIN.
I noticed YOU'RE pointing out all the points that I'm wrong but not correcting where you were wrong. With the stated fact that the one guy is like a priest the way he was raping his car…

I'll admit while powder forging is technically forging, most of the people that I know with GT500's do not agree it is fully forged because of the shitty powdered rods.
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Does anyone know why both Ford and Chevrolet went with powder forged rods in their FI engines? There has to be some advantage.
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Does anyone know why both Ford and Chevrolet went with powder forged rods in their FI engines? There has to be some advantage.
Even though it's not the strongest of the forging methods it's still a very strong rod thats cheaper to produce and holds up to alot of power as seen in many ls and mod motors.
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Does anyone know why both Ford and Chevrolet went with powder forged rods in their FI engines? There has to be some advantage.
Cost / rod. I think most people would pay extra for better rods though...
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:37 PM   #22
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If GM has one "Best Feature" (I think they have several), it's their powertrain department...especially their V8s.

I haven't heard of any blown LSAs, and like someone mentioned earlier - this motor has been in CTS-Vs for a couple of years already. I don't think we're bound to hear of any soon unless people are pushing some crazy-ridiculous amount of power that we'd all hear the story and go "ohhhhhh...."

The LSA is a STOUT engine. It's been 24-track tested in both the CTS-V and the ZL1...dyno tested @ WOT for more than 260 consecutive hours without failure, and accumulated more than 6000 hours of total dyne testing. 6000 hours is the equivalent of 390,000 miles at 65mph....and you can bet they weren't "easy" hours, either. It's also worth mentioning that the car (and thus, the engine) underwent a torture test including ~600 redline clutch-dumps...

What criticisms is has lodged against it are for parts alone, most notably the hypereutectic pistons...but what the critics fail to grasp (or just don't care) is this alloy isn't inherently flawed in any well-built engine, and the silicon content (and construction) can be changed to achieve different levels of strength depending on what the application calls for. (i.e. the pistons in the LS3 AREN'T the same pistons in the LSA, etc).
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Any blown up ZL1 engines yet?

I heard a rumor that one was blown up by the Taliban with a roadside bomb.
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I heard a rumor that one was blown up by the Taliban with a roadside bomb.
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I heard a rumor that one was blown up by the Taliban with a roadside bomb.
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