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Old 10-30-2012, 02:38 PM   #18
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Did you know without unions you wouldn't have an 8 hour work day and weekends? Just a fun fact for you.
My wife was in a union, and every time they went out on strike the only one that came out on the deal was the union it's self. Whatever they got for the workers usually ened up being ate up with increased union dues... They are a ripoff to the worker now.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:42 PM   #19
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To bad your fact its in fact not true. I see another person has been feed the union line without looking up the facts for themselves. I would state the true fact but I wasn't to see were this conversation may go. I hope others might know the truth and post here.
I'm not in a union now, but I was Union Carpenter for 5 years. I'm not saying it was perfect by any means. One thing I hated about it was during elections they would try to tell everyone who to vote for. I like to form my own opinions on candidates. From what I have read and not fed our ancestors formed unions for labor laws that helped bring you days off of work and scheduled work hours less than Sun up to Sun down. If I'm wrong show me some proof I will gladly read it and form an opinion. I will also state I was wrong. I have no problems with that.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:54 PM   #20
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AMEN!! There was a time and a place, but now they basically just serve against darwins theory of natural selection. If you need a job you'll show up to work on time all the time and give at least 80% while you are there. Not going on strike because you want a .10 cent raise. Every time I got a raise I earned it by working hard and sometimes harder than the next guy and I deserved it.
I agree that people should have to work hard to keep your job and/or receive an increase in pay or a promotion. When I was a carpenter I saw a lot of guys get the boot because there production wasn't up to par. I'm not saying it's like that everywhere because it's not. I also was not talking about current times in my first statement.
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:59 PM   #21
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I appreciate your comments and especially calm reply, to many people jump straight to being offended and flame on. Debate and conversation its what its all about and of course being respectful, which sometimes I need to remind myself.

I will give a hint though, "Henry Ford".
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:05 PM   #22
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I appreciate your comments and especially calm reply, to many people jump straight to being offended and flame on. Debate and conversation its what its all about and of course being respectful, which sometimes I need to remind myself.

I will give a hint though, "Henry Ford".
Thanks. I'm not offended by any means. I don't defend unions or bash them. I've worked Union jobs and non-union jobs. I'm currently working Non-Union as a Network Admin. I was just under the impression that's how weekends were formed. I'm actually trying to research this to get my facts straight.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:16 PM   #23
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This thread has gotten WAY too political. Glad my 1LE will have seats!!
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:19 PM   #24
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So I found this article and read it. I still need to look further into this because he does not list his sources.

http://www.libertyreborn.com/2011/03...ot-the-unions/
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:22 PM   #25
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This thread has gotten WAY too political. Glad my 1LE will have seats!!
Indeed this is the best thing and the most important. I apologize for starting this.
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Indeed this is the best thing and the most important. I apologize for starting this.
Your sense of humor reminds me of steven wright.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:24 PM   #27
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Hey it is a good discussion after all.

2014 will mark the 100 year anniversary of when Henry Ford revolutionized the auto industry by implementing the assembly line concept in addition he doubled his workers salary and reduced the work day from 9 hours to 8. This was unheard of and Ford was highly criticizer, but it paid off in spades. This was done many years before any auto union existed. This is well documented in many articles published over the years. Henry Ford was a true pioneer and innovator and we all owe some gratitude for what he did. Good article from FoMoCo, http://corporate.ford.com/our-compan...650-henry-ford
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:27 PM   #28
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Your sense of humor reminds me of steven wright.
I was actually being sincere . Plus I have no clue who Steven Wright is.
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I take that back, I just looked up Steven Wright. I know who he is, I just didn't remember his name. The guy on the couch!
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I was actually being sincere . Plus I have no clue who Steven Wright is.
Now that was the post of the day!!

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Old 11-02-2012, 10:30 PM   #32
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Did you know without unions you wouldn't have an 8 hour work day and weekends? Just a fun fact for you.


Hard to make that assumption since it could have been done without unions. In fact, there is no saying that we couldn't of had 6 hour work days and weekends off without unions.

Fact is that the job market should be a free market. If you want to work 80 hour weeks, go right on ahead. If you want to work 7 days a week, go right on ahead. I don't need a union to bargain those "rights" for me. The "average" work week should be set by the market supply and demand. Companies that offer better working hours will attract more qualified candidates. It will pit the companies against each other. The fact that unions "bargained" for 8 hour work days is no measure in any good being done because the market may have been less.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:37 PM   #33
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So I found this article and read it. I still need to look further into this because he does not list his sources.

http://www.libertyreborn.com/2011/03...ot-the-unions/



Great article. Pretty much proves my point. Companies will offer better incentives to attract or maintain qualified workers. Government or union intervention need not apply.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:45 PM   #34
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