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Old 03-08-2013, 06:07 PM   #407
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Thanks guys. And if this works out, he wants to build one for the LLT. I've still got my old Black Iceolater in the shed, so he'll have a pattern to go by.
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Old 03-08-2013, 06:09 PM   #408
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BTW, if anyone has an old stock torque converter laying around, shoot me a PM. We are trying to get a multi-disk TC developed for the 6L50E and need one for the R&D. I could send them my FSI, but then my car would be down for a while and I still want to get to the track in the next couple of weeks.
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Old 03-08-2013, 06:26 PM   #409
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BTW, if anyone has an old stock torque converter laying around, shoot me a PM. We are trying to get a multi-disk TC developed for the 6L50E and need one for the R&D. I could send them my FSI, but then my car would be down for a while and I still want to get to the track in the next couple of weeks.
This build is insane! If the fueling works, this could be the answer we have been looking for... Well if we can tune the LLT. I can't wait to see what an LFX could do with more fuel since those can easily be tuned!!

About the torque converter, check with v6owner. I think I saw him selling one a little while ago, he might still have it
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This build is insane! If the fueling works, this could be the answer we have been looking for... Well if we can tune the LLT. I can't wait to see what an LFX could do with more fuel since those can easily be tuned!!

About the torque converter, check with v6owner. I think I saw him selling one a little while ago, he might still have it
Thanks for the lead. I just sent him a PM.
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Thanks for the lead. I just sent him a PM.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:19 PM   #412
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:21 PM   #413
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This thing looks amazing and a simpler solution than I thought. If this helps there is no doubt Vince and IPF will be able to tune the LLT's better. Because instead of the LLT running out of fuel it will have to much and would be easier to dial down the flow.

Question Derek, are you using same size injectors all around or small, medium, then larger in the back. As thats where the fuel isn't pumped in fast enough?

Because if many that don't know the issue is that the back cylinders are the ones running out of fuel when we crank up the HP.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:36 PM   #414
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Mother of God. This is going to be cool(er).

Equal length fuel lines should do the trick as long as you're getting equal flow under pressure from the metering block. For the new ones, I should say. After I reread it, I saw you were refering to trying to compensate for the stock system.

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Old 03-08-2013, 07:40 PM   #415
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Thanks guys. And if this works out, he wants to build one for the LLT. I've still got my old Black Iceolater in the shed, so he'll have a pattern to go buy.
Put me on that list for the llt.


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This thing looks amazing and a simpler solution than I thought. If this helps there is no doubt Vince and IPF will be able to tune the LLT's better. Because instead of the LLT running out of fuel it will have to much and would be easier to dial down the flow.

Question Derek, are you using same size injectors all around or small, medium, then larger in the back. As thats where the fuel isn't pumped in fast enough?

Because if many that don't know the issue is that the back cylinders are the ones running out of fuel when we crank up the HP.
So the plan for tuning it should work for the LLT. We are basically using Power Enhancement (PE) tuning for WOT...the same thing we tried with Vince. We are going to turn this bad boy on and let it go rich and then back off the PE fueling from the DI system until we get the AFR back where we want it.

We are using the same size pills all the way around, but you could set it up with different pill sizes for each runner. Right now we have 14s in it, but we may have to go back to 10s because that's like running an 84 pill on a nitrous setup. It may be more fuel than we need and we can't back off the DI system enough. We'll see, but we just couldn't get 6 10 pills before Aaron goes overseas week after next.

It should go on the dyno next Thr. for tuning. I would be neat to try this fuel plate on a NA car just to see if there is any TQ improvement. That's effectively an 1" increase in runner length. Might end up being just as much gain as the isolater has shown for the LLT.
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:43 PM   #419
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Mother of God. This is going to be cool(er).

Equal length fuel lines should do the trick as long as you're getting equal flow under pressure from the metering block. For the new ones, I should say. After I reread it, I saw you were refering to trying to compensate for the stock system.

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Yeah, a single fuel rail on each side would probably work better, but they are trying to keep costs down so it's affordable. We seem to have the biggest issue with the rear cylinders, so those having the shortest fuel lines will actually help with that. The system won't be pressurized until the solenoid opens, so it will take a few milliseconds before it fully pressurizes. We'll just have to bring it on at a particular boost and back off the DI fueling in the PE tables. But I guess you suspected that from the last sentence. Just wanted to make sure everyone understood that we think the different line lengths won't be an issue.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:36 PM   #420
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Makes sense. In my haste to post, I forgot that the block was on the back of the intake, so as you said, the shorter lines to the back are actually doing this for you.

C'mon, Thursday.

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