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Old 12-07-2012, 04:14 PM   #155
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IMO a 3500# LT1 Camaro makes for the ideal Z28 starting point, unless there is an LS7 replacement version LT engine with more HP. IMO 300# is AWESOME compared to 3,850# SS now. I also suspect the savings to be 300# at the minimum and as much as 400# is not out of the realm of possibilty. The only problem with the Gen6 Z28 is the wait because in all likelyhood it won't be released year one. I'm on board with the LS7 bandwagon now per my above post but I honestly will probably get a 1LE to hold me over until there is a gen6 Z.
I'm guessing much closer to 250 lbs. unless the 6Gen is quite a bit more expensive.
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:21 PM   #156
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Pete made a good point in the 1LE thread about the LS7, it will have no home with the C7 release. So IMO it makes sense to keep production rolling until there is an LS7 replacement in the new LT series of engines. That would be enough to take care of the 2014-2015 Z28!
Yes Pete played a big part in dare I say our 2 year discussion on a Z28. We've made many arguments as to why an LS7/Z28 makes financial and marketable sense. However I and some others are starting to get bored and lose faith.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:52 PM   #157
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I'm guessing much closer to 250 lbs. unless the 6Gen is quite a bit more expensive.
Do I really have to dig back thru old threads yet again to pull up the numbers and calculations I posted in the past along with the article about GM's new philosophy of weight savings?

All kidding aside, I know your opinion is different than mine (and that's OK), but everything weight wise we've seen on the new Alpha chassis used as a starting point and adding weight for bigger engines points to a gen6 Camaro SS around 3,550 bs compared to the 5th gen SS at 3,850 lbs, I think the gen6 Camaro will be 300 or more lbs lighter than the 5th gen, GM is applying that weight saving philosophy on almost every new model they are designing. To help meet CAFE standards they have to, instead of thinking about how many lbs they can save on one item, they are thinking grams and ounces on every area of new vehicles. The only recent release I can think of that seems to be contrary to that is the new LT1 engine which seems to be heavier than the same size LS engine.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:47 PM   #158
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...starting to get bored? We are at bored...., no doubt....those who read the past posts and discussions like Hobbs and make statements based on those discussions as if they had an epiphany....very bored....
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:44 PM   #159
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...starting to get bored? We are at bored...., no doubt....those who read the past posts and discussions like Hobbs and make statements based on those discussions as if they had an epiphany....very bored....

The problem is we have been talking about this car for so damn long that any conversation is basically a rehashing of 3 or 4 previous threads. They are becoming redundant. It's to the point where GM should either release a Z/28 or announce that there will not be a Z/28 so we can move on to saving for a down payment or looking elsewhere for a car.

Edit: Isn't the LT1 the base V8 engine? If so, why would we want that in a Z/28? Shouldn't it be in the base V8 Camaro? Until GM develops more LT series engines to power different models, I don't know what they will do for a Z/28. I doubt any of us want it to become the base V8 model again...
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The problem is we have been talking about this car for so damn long that any conversation is basically a rehashing of 3 or 4 previous threads. They are becoming redundant. It's to the point where GM should either release a Z/28 or announce that there will not be a Z/28 so we can move on to saving for a down payment or looking elsewhere for a car.

Edit: Isn't the LT1 the base V8 engine? If so, why would we want that in a Z/28? Shouldn't it be in the base V8 Camaro? Until GM develops more LT series engines to power different models, I don't know what they will do for a Z/28. I doubt any of us want it to become the base V8 model again...
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding............We have a winner! I was wondering how long it would be before someone brought that up.
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They could have another version of the LT1 in mind for the base V8. Maybe a 5.7L version.
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Yes. The Z-28 has to be unique. Something special. Looks like in the Gen 5 form it won't be made. I trust in 2015 it will be a true HP vehicle. Rehashing whats now and in the parts bins to make it will only perpetuate our frustration. I believe we need to wait and see what is coming in the future for new DI power plants and model design improvements for the next Gen Z. I believe the architecture and model improvements are over with until that times comes. There is nothing new coming until Alpha arrives.
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Yes. The Z-28 has to be unique. Something special. Looks like in the Gen 5 form it won't be made. I trust in 2015 it will be a true HP vehicle. Rehashing whats now and in the parts bins to make it will only perpetuate our frustration. I believe we need to wait and see what is coming in the future for new DI power plants and model design improvements for the next Gen Z. I believe the architecture and model improvements are over with until that times comes. There is nothing new coming until Alpha arrives.
Unfortunately I think you're right! Wish it weren't so, but it sure looks that way right now.
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:57 PM   #164
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Pyrolysis: It would be cool to see GM revive the 5.7 but I doubt it will happen.

Oldschool: You are probably right at this point in time. It would probably release a couple years into the 6th Gen.

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Old 12-10-2012, 09:06 PM   #165
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how about a... Z-28 in 2015 bumper sticker?
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:48 PM   #166
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how about a... Z-28 in 2015 bumper sticker?
Ill take it haha.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:35 PM   #167
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...the ZL1 side for the most part is alot of glee and fluff, we need something to hang our hats on...and for that we wait....
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...the ZL1 side for the most part is alot of glee and fluff, we need something to hang our hats on...and for that we wait....
The ZL1 is definitely an impressive piece of engineering and great looking car. I was fortunate enough to check out one at dinner a couple weeks ago. The driver saw me checking it out and opened it up for me. We talked for a while about it but he didn't know of C5.

In my opinion, the Z/28 is the iconic Camaro. The revival of the Z/28 will be a big deal.
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