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Old 10-31-2012, 01:59 AM   #26
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Xplosive Performance is a Wilwood Dealer
As is
R1 Concepts (recently)
as is
A&A Corvette in Oxnard (where you live)

The price for the Wilwood kit was in camparison to the Pace CTS-V kit....and is a complete front kit including pads.
http://wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKi...maro&option=SS (V-8) only.(OE. w/ Brembo Brakes)

Great find on the Amazon CTS-V Calipers! Thats is lowest price I've ever seen. I've been buying more auto stuff off Amazon.....the prices are the lowest....too bad they don't have the Wilwood 2010 Big Brake kit. They have other Wilwood Kits, just not for the 2010. Maybe we should call em and tell em to stock it.
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Old 10-31-2012, 08:48 AM   #27
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they had cheaper ones on there but its hard to get what u want to show up in searches sometimes another set i saw was going for 186 per caliper 4 piston calipers go for as low as 90 per caliper
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Old 10-31-2012, 08:56 AM   #28
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I checked the link but I coulnt find wilwood
I'd start a thread here the brake sponsors are sure to see it.

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Old 10-31-2012, 05:14 PM   #29
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they had cheaper ones on there but its hard to get what u want to show up in searches sometimes another set i saw was going for 186 per caliper 4 piston calipers go for as low as 90 per caliper
The issue is if you are upgrading, not just replacing, you need the rest of the parts.....which is the Pace Kit....too bad you can't buy the Pace kit less the calipers.
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Old 10-31-2012, 06:38 PM   #30
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the rest of the parts are out there if you look. most can be had on ebay or amazon pretty cheap
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Old 10-31-2012, 07:49 PM   #31
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the rest of the parts are out there if you look. most can be had on ebay or amazon pretty cheap
But how much are you going to save in comparison to the Pace Kit?
Is it worth the time consumed in the hunt? And the anxiety of not knowing if you have the right part of the proper quality that will hold together under heat and stress?
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Old 10-31-2012, 08:00 PM   #32
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the part numbers are usually listed with the parts sold so all u need is a verified parts list. the savings are well worth the hunt down to me. i dont think a vendor is going to beat 236 per 6 piston brembo caliper
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Rotors/calipers/hardware will have me right around 900-950, then lines, pads and fluid. Not sure how I will color match yet. But that's almost $500 less, if that aint worth your time then you're too rich for me to understand your train of thought. Its all the same parts/quality so no risk as long as you buy the right stuff. The list has been posted a number of times on here.

And the pace kit less the calipers is just 2 rotors.
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Old 10-31-2012, 08:15 PM   #34
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the part numbers are usually listed with the parts sold so all u need is a verified parts list. the savings are well worth the hunt down to me. i dont think a vendor is going to beat 236 per 6 piston brembo caliper
OK...so add it on up?

Rounded:
Calipers: 240*2=480 (Does this include pins and clips?)
Rotors: 200*2=400
Pads: 200 (for mediocre ones)
Bolts: 20
Shipping: 100

=$1200.00? And I don't know if my kit is complete?

+ if you don't like silver...to change the color = $430 to have them repowdercoated.

=$1630
And you still have a "passenger car" kit.

For and additional $300.....you can have a full race spec kit that was engineered to hold speed and brake deep.

To me there is not much of a comparison.....even if you're using the CTS-Vs as dress up....cuz those Big Wilwood "look" more serious behind that wheel.
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Old 10-31-2012, 08:35 PM   #35
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Your red wilwood aint gonna match your black stocker either. And it doesn't include lines. And 430 for powdercoat is nuts. Shipping if free for everything I've bought. I could get ZL1 directional offset vane rotors and still be hundreds less.

But really I'm not sure what the big deal is, buy whichever you want. They're both good and really not that different.
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Old 10-31-2012, 08:48 PM   #36
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Where did u hear that they were gonna offer the Camaro ZL1 brakes SS a conversion ?
The front ZL1 brake kit calipers for the 1LE/SS will be red which matches the 1LE rears which are the same brakes as the ZL1 rears. All according to the performance catalog.
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Old 10-31-2012, 09:03 PM   #37
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while those number are accurate for buying stuff for the first price you find out there they do not reflect the prices of looking for the best price out there. the 240 per caliper was what i found as a quick example it can go lower. rotors start as low as 110 apiece some even slotted and or drilled. pads yea those can vary alot so 200 for a set of 4 is a good number. bolt kits 20 is about right. shipping FREE!!!!! 100 is a bit ridiculous but plausible to see someone ask for it. the link i posted was for a set of yellow ones not silver. red blue orange and black are available so the 430 for powder coating is insane and unnecessary.

as far as level needed the wilwoods are awesome but i wouldnt call the cts-v z06, zl1 kit parts passenger car kits. overall all im saying is if u want the wilwood ctsv zl1 zo6 or zr1 kit get it, and what one pays for it is not of my concern im just saying is that they can be gotten for less that what is generally advertised. that can be said about any commodity on the the market.
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Old 10-31-2012, 09:39 PM   #38
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Keep in mind guys that it costs so much because your getting OEM parts from GM. Things like pads, pin kits and rotors can be found for much better prices than what GM or most parts places wants for a set from GM. You gotta look for the best alternatives!
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Old 10-31-2012, 10:41 PM   #39
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Your red wilwood aint gonna match your black stocker either. And it doesn't include lines. And 430 for powdercoat is nuts. Shipping if free for everything I've bought. I could get ZL1 directional offset vane rotors and still be hundreds less.

But really I'm not sure what the big deal is, buy whichever you want. They're both good and really not that different.
Well then maybe you've never done it before.
I have with 4 and 6 pot calipers and thats a valid price.
When you lean on calipers they have to be rebuilt and sometimes "recolored" and re-labeled and quality is expensive.

I do think the CTS-V calipers are a good upgrade (color aside), I would just never do it, because for the street its just a "look" and I can get the 4 piston ones to perform just as well, with the right pad material.

Even the folks that I've seen at the track with the CTS-Vs dump those calipers and rotors for a real big brake kit (Brembo GTs or Wilwoods)

And its difficult to compare the $100 two piece "look" rotor to a real two peice rotor. The structure and quality is so different....and Have you seen Brembos 16 inch Rotors......those things are MASSIVE!
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:17 PM   #40
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And if its lust looks you're going for I think these came out pretty tight.
Functional too....we'll really see when I put some punishment on em this weekend at the track. But rotors, pads, caliper powdercoating(all 4)...was like $1500 including labor....its not cheap to make sh*t work and look good.

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Old 11-01-2012, 04:51 PM   #41
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I'm certainly not going to get into a pissing match over what option is "better" as that largely depends upon what you quantify as better than something else...Clearly you have some valid options as others have pointed out.

I've seen some of the listings for the V front kit and it's a fine option for sure. But a number of the links seem to leave out certain items...that to me is false advertising. Most buyers expect all the parts to be included and no need to shop other suppliers or click a second box for something like brake pads. Maybe I just expect to get a complete kit as that; complete. About the only two things that should not be included are brake fluid and labor. (mainly because UPS goes nutso over a potential leak..don't ask!)

I'd be glad to quote anyone at competitive price points for their Camaro needs. And have no problems fielding the technical questions about the product and options along the way.
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:36 PM   #42
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In the end, just like most everything else debated on a forum, it's all personal preference. There are other threads here (from vendors no less) stating that they RACE with the CTS-V brake kit.

It's also been noted that the stock brakes work well and simply using a quality fluid will eliminate the brake fade issue. Upgrading to a quality pad will also increase performance.

Funny how every question here becomes a pissing match over what is "better" or who is "right".

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Word. Although I experienced pad failure as well as fluid failure before I upgraded both. That's the beauty of upgrading 1 thing at a time, you learn a lot more about the car that way. Stock calipers are very nice and only begin to fall short on tracks with multiple high speed straights once equipped with good pads/fluid.

And I'll be racing the piss out of the CTSV's next summer.
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Old 11-02-2012, 03:06 AM   #44
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If these CTS-V calipers get any cheaper I may have to try it. $227...that is but low.
http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-172-25...1&s=automotive

If you can live with the yellow.....
The cheapest you could go per wheel is....
Caliper=$227
Rotor=$100
Pins and Clip Kit=$15
Pads=$75
Bolt=$10 (should be new)

So thats only $427 per wheel....for two fronts $850....but you don't really know if the engineering is interchangeable. Does anybody know the answer to this?

The Brembo two peice CTS-V rotors are very cool.....but also $850 for 2.....which pushes the cost way up.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brembo-2pc-F...7b90fe&vxp=mtr
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If these CTS-V calipers get any cheaper I may have to try it. $227...that is but low.
http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-172-25...1&s=automotive

If you can live with the yellow.....
The cheapest you could go per wheel is....
Caliper=$227
Rotor=$100
Pins and Clip Kit=$15
Pads=$75
Bolt=$10 (should be new)

So thats only $427 per wheel....for two fronts $850....but you don't really know if the engineering is interchangeable. Does anybody know the answer to this?

The Brembo two peice CTS-V rotors are very cool.....but also $850 for 2.....which pushes the cost way up.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brembo-2pc-F...7b90fe&vxp=mtr
That's a really strong price on those rotors. Don't know the seller, or anything, but I wonder what the situation is. I'm a GM dealer, and that is way under dealer cost. Just wonder if they are new, or overruns, or blems. Hopefully not, hopefully it's good new product with no flaws and a warranty. Sometimes though, things just look too good to be true. I know alot of you don't know me here, so to show you I'm not full of s**t, attached file is a screen shot of where I looked them up with GM and shows dealer cost.
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That's a really strong price on those rotors. Don't know the seller, or anything, but I wonder what the situation is. I'm a GM dealer, and that is way under dealer cost. Just wonder if they are new, or overruns, or blems. Hopefully not, hopefully it's good new product with no flaws and a warranty. Sometimes though, things just look too good to be true. I know alot of you don't know me here, so to show you I'm not full of s**t, attached file is a screen shot of where I looked them up with GM and shows dealer cost.
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The $100 rotors are generic crap from china probably. Lowest I've seen the dual cast is 200.
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That's a really strong price on those rotors. Don't know the seller, or anything, but I wonder what the situation is. I'm a GM dealer, and that is way under dealer cost. Just wonder if they are new, or overruns, or blems. Hopefully not, hopefully it's good new product with no flaws and a warranty. Sometimes though, things just look too good to be true. I know alot of you don't know me here, so to show you I'm not full of s**t, attached file is a screen shot of where I looked them up with GM and shows dealer cost.
Did you mean calipers and not rotors?.....you said rotor but the PDF you attached was for a caliper.
The price for a HD CTS-V rotor on your site is $85.00

Buy Yeah! Amazon has smoking low prices eh?
Availability moves around though....

Do you at PartTaxi offer an integrated kit for this CTS-V swap.

Can you tell me why these parts seem interchangeable?
Are the knuckles and the hubs the same spec between the Camaro and the CTS-V?
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The $100 rotors are generic crap from china probably. Lowest I've seen the dual cast is 200.
Do you think the "dual cast" Brembo rotors are not made in China.
Quote from a Brembo press release.

"With more than ten years in the Chinese market, Brembo has concentrated production activities of the Group into a single area of 95,000 square meters on the outskirts of the city of Nanjing.......The plants employ 850 people (approx. 1000 at full capacity) and, due to the 41 production lines (between brake discs and brake systems) and the foundry, will be able to produce about six million brake discs a year."
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Do you think the "dual cast" Brembo rotors are not made in China.
Quote from a Brembo press release.


"With more than ten years in the Chinese market, Brembo has concentrated production activities of the Group into a single area of 95,000 square meters on the outskirts of the city of Nanjing.......The plants employ 850 people (approx. 1000 at full capacity) and, due to the 41 production lines (between brake discs and brake systems) and the foundry, will be able to produce about six million brake discs a year."

Well that's a kick in the nuts... lol nothing is sacred anymore.
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