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Old 01-17-2008, 11:22 AM   #1
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5.7 Hemi vs. Speculated Camaro base V8

In regards to the 5.7 liter V8 in the base Challenger V8, GM will likely have something with a little more juice. I realize there is no hard evidence to back this up, but GM will probably not want to take a step backwards. For instance, their 2002 Z28 already has a 5.7 liter LS1. Why would they make that their entry level V8 again? The GTO ended up with a detuned 6.0 LS2, what's to say the Camaro's entry level V8 will have anything less? This is where Moore's law comes into play. Every two years technology doubles. That means the '06 model LS2 will have theoretically doubled in technological advancement, (don't get this confused with horse power) so in theory, it would be an relatively inexpensive move for GM to put something into the Camaro in the final quarter of 2008 that would equal the LS2 (i.e. active fuel management, [relatively same engine as LS2 with a couple of added benefits and call it something else])? Just a theory. I'm sure GM will not allow Mopar to get a 1up on them... especially when GM is coming out with the Camaro many months after the Challenger.
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Old 01-17-2008, 12:36 PM   #2
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the ls2 would be fine for me, i think it would combat the base challenger very nicely, but their pushing the ls3 more it seems, theyre killing the ls1, and ls7 i believe, so that leaves the 3, 6, and 9 in my mind
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the ls2 would be fine for me, i think it would combat the base challenger very nicely, but their pushing the ls3 more it seems, theyre killing the ls1, and ls7 i believe, so that leaves the 3, 6, and 9 in my mind
Mild corrections:

The LS1 is already gone. The LS2 is as good as gone. The LS7 shouldn't last much longer (supposedly going to be replaced by the LS8). The LS6 was the LS7's predecessor, i.e. it's already gone, too. The LS4 is the Impala's V8, too small, and weak for the Camaro.

So all that leaves of engine we actually know of, is L76, LS3, and LS9.......you pick.
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Old 01-17-2008, 01:44 PM   #4
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Well seeing as GM's now said that they're not going to make more new V8s I think we're "stuck" with whatevers avaible or comfirmed as being developed now. Assuming we even get a V8 (disaster scenario, I know).
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Old 01-17-2008, 02:01 PM   #5
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Well seeing as GM's now said that they're not going to make more new V8s I think we're "stuck" with whatevers avaible or comfirmed as being developed now. Assuming we even get a V8 (disaster scenario, I know).
No. no. they didn't say that. The whole article was a response to GM's cancellation of the NorthStar V8 replacement. (i.e. "new" V8's). If they did it, it they would have had two different V8 families. With new fuel regs...that's dumb.

Improving on the Chevy Small block is a must. And as long as trucks have 'em...we stand a good chance at getting them.
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Old 01-17-2008, 02:30 PM   #6
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my burb has a 5.4 liter... I imagine the base model will have something based on that engine.

The only other choices are the 6.0 or 6.2 liter?

What do you all think?
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Old 01-17-2008, 02:48 PM   #7
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Don't forget about the LSA and LS8.

Ugh, the suspense...
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Old 01-17-2008, 03:49 PM   #8
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Just as a note to the facts. The new 5.7 hemi out in the 09 rams and LX body's will have 380 HP up from the 345 HP.

Again just maintaining facts.
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Old 01-17-2008, 05:35 PM   #9
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No. no. they didn't say that. The whole article was a response to GM's cancellation of the NorthStar V8 replacement. (i.e. "new" V8's). If they did it, it they would have had two different V8 families. With new fuel regs...that's dumb.

Improving on the Chevy Small block is a must. And as long as trucks have 'em...we stand a good chance at getting them.
After reading the article again and realising it's very...how to say...opinionated in it's writing I realise that I overreacted. A lot of it s probably because things are NOT going well in my life right now and when it looked to me like my one real goal at the moment was going to be watered down I panicked. I apolagize.
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:54 PM   #10
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Challenge the Challenger!

An automotive magazine I subscribe to has pix and pricing for '08 Challenger SRT. Sweet ride. Camaro looks better! The Challenger SRT boasts a 6.1 Hemi with over 400 hp. I am sure that GM will fortify the small block for the Camaro with more. That direct injection LS would be cool and so would the LS3. But will GM really use a Vette motor in the Camaro? Although they have done so in the past I don't think the LS3 from the Vette is likely. I like the idea of the direct injection LS2 but, as of this moment, that engine is experimental and it has been indicated that the Camaro will not have an LS2. So what engine will the new Cmaro have? We can only speculate for now.
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Old 01-17-2008, 07:06 PM   #11
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a 380 hp 5.7 makes things very interesting. The new camaro could get away with having the L76 due to weight, but its a bigger engine making less power. not very impressive. the LS3 seems like overkill for the base V8 engine, that leaves a hp gap of over 125 between top V6 and base V8. I'm gonna say that there is possibly going to be a brand new engine for as the base V8.
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Old 01-17-2008, 08:22 PM   #12
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I gotta disagree a little. Okey, sure the Challenger's gonna have the 380hp 5.7 engine. Sounds good, but ya gotta remember this things a boat. The L76 big engine less Hp's, but the Camaro's gonna weigh less, so I'm thinking it's basically be an even match. But for some reason I don't think we're getting that. I get the feeling that GM has something else in store for us. They want . . no, need to make this car as big a hit as possible right from the start.
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Old 01-17-2008, 08:42 PM   #13
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I know one model will have a Supercharged LS9 in it but I assume for a base ..... a LS6? (Shooting high I know lol)
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I'm seriously thinking we stand a good chance at seeing some Gen V engines in the Camaro. I mean after the whole CAFE thing came to a head Scott told us to forget everything we thought about engines, so it seems reasonable to me.
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Old 01-17-2008, 09:30 PM   #15
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I'm seriously thinking we stand a good chance at seeing some Gen V engines in the Camaro. I mean after the whole CAFE thing came to a head Scott told us to forget everything we thought about engines, so it seems reasonable to me.
I think I'm 'gonna agree with you on that one. Regardless, I'm certain we will not be disappointed.
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The weird thing about this Camaro...(in a good way)Is that, I think it has 'matured'. It on it's own, now.

As opposed the the past, Camaro was always kept in the shadow of the Vette, even though it could have done the Shadowing

In the past, it always had the Trans Am to worry about.

No more.
I really think that the new Camaro is still a Camaro - but we don't yet realize how 'new' it really is going to be. If a new V8 engine is introduced in our car instead of the Vette, that will be Chevy History. and I have a nagging suspicion that we're going to see just that, if not the first year, then soon after.
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Old 01-17-2008, 10:38 PM   #17
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The weird thing about this Camaro...(in a good way)Is that, I think it has 'matured'. It on it's own, now.

As opposed the the past, Camaro was always kept in the shadow of the Vette, even though it could have done the Shadowing

In the past, it always had the Trans Am to worry about.

No more.
I really think that the new Camaro is still a Camaro - but we don't yet realize how 'new' it really is going to be. If a new V8 engine is introduced in our car instead of the Vette, that will be Chevy History. and I have a nagging suspicion that we're going to see just that, if not the first year, then soon after.
I hope your right. I'm looking forward to seeing a V8 that will rip anything up..
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I'm seriously thinking we stand a good chance at seeing some Gen V engines in the Camaro. I mean after the whole CAFE thing came to a head Scott told us to forget everything we thought about engines, so it seems reasonable to me.
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One V-6 and two V-8s?

I' ve read that the base engine will almost certainly be GM's high feature direct injection V-6 and that the optional engine will be a V-8 that has yet to be announced. At least for the first year of production I think the Camaro will have only one available V-8, one we have yet to see. The following year we may see an SS or a Z-28 with an LS3 or an LS9.
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I have to agree with that last statement. I think that Chevy will roll out this Camaro more like Ford rolled out the latest Mustang, with one V6 and one V8 model available, and it WON't be the top dog model like Dodge decided to do with the Challenger. I think within 6-months we'll see an SS model with some big ponies (more than the Dodge) to compete with other top end models.
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The sooner the better. I don't want to hear about how much faster the Challenger is than a Camaro, even if they are comparing an SRT8 to the "base" 'Maro V8.
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Challenger will probably get v6 in future so the base engine won't be hemi v8 with 380 hp. It will probably have v6 with power below 300 hp, hemi v8 with 380 and 6.1 l with 425 hp. Maybe later even version with 6.4 l .
GM even now has engine to cover every one of challenger engine and even more.Who knows what will have in future.
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I have to agree with that last statement. I think that Chevy will roll out this Camaro more like Ford rolled out the latest Mustang, with one V6 and one V8 model available, and it WON't be the top dog model like Dodge decided to do with the Challenger. I think within 6-months we'll see an SS model with some big ponies (more than the Dodge) to compete with other top end models.
Exactly. Don't compare this car to the Challenger. It's a lower production, higher priced and bloated niche car that is very likely to die an ugly death once the initial rush dies down.

Look instead to the Mustang. Base V6, mid range V8 and a top end V8. base, GT, Shelby. Base, Z28, SS. The Camaro has already been sighted with the direct injection LLT out of the new CTS. There's your base V6 right around 300hp. Peg a mid-range LS3 Z28 at 380-400hp, and then perhaps some new GenV engine or LSA/LS9 variant in the SS to go crush the GT500 and SRT8.
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Exactly. Don't compare this car to the Challenger. It's a lower production, higher priced and bloated niche car that is very likely to die an ugly death once the initial rush dies down.
Sorry but this is wrong information, the challenger will have a base V6 3.5L (SXT model) and a base V8 5.7 Hemi(R/T) model, both in the same price range as the current charger SXT and R/T. They will also be manufacturing them starting in September 2008, THIS YEAR.

That said DCX has its own plan on how to get into and stay in the muscle car segment and is marketing its cars how it feels best.

The Camaro's cards are not on the table yet so I would not place any bets.
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The Camaro's cards are not on the table yet so I would not place any bets.
I would. Chrysler is bleeding cash and just sacrificed their halo car (the Viper) to try to put some money back into their operations. There's talk about redesigning the Sebring even though it was just released, because of the abysmal sales. The Magnum was canceled due to lack of sales, and it was at least a practical car.

The Challenger is overweight, overpriced and under powered. The styling is too retro for most people, limiting its mass market appeal. It's not a practical car and I strongly suspect the only reason Cerberus didn't kill it was because it's the only thing they've got that's generating any positive press and the work was 98% done and the money was already spent by the time they took over Chrysler.

Mark my words, it's gonna be like the GTO was for Pontiac. 3 years, everyone that wants one will get one, and they'll quietly discontinue it due to lack of sales and a desperate need to direct those funds to the core of their product lineup. This is further exasperated by the fuel economy situation and the credit meltdown.

That said, I fully believe the same thing could happen to the Camaro too. At least their package is a bit more compelling than the Challenger though.
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