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Old 11-12-2012, 09:10 AM   #1
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6th generation Camaro VS 50th Anniversary Mustang

So both new generations of the natural rivals are expected to be launched in mid 2014.

Mustang is predicted to keep the same engine with a totally new european style look. Lean and light sporty car.

So far no indication on the Camaro 6th generation news leak.

What do you hope or think guys? Who is going to win the next battle ?
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:14 AM   #2
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Ford has all but branded themselves the boost to win campaign in the last couple decades, and they make some nasty setups.
Gm has a winner with the lsx engines and will milk the heck out of that.

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Old 11-12-2012, 09:20 AM   #3
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Driving a 6th gen in 2014? I didn't get that memo.
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If the mustangs are going to keep the same 5.0 engine, and they put the LT1 in the camaros.....then what? Lol
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Driving a 6th gen in 2014? I didn't get that memo.
You and I alike, we must be a year late to the party
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:02 PM   #6
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I hope you are comparing a 6th gen to the next gen Mustang. If you are its going to depend heavily on weight and gearing. If GM learned a few leasons with the 5th gen they will make the car under 3600lbs or at least as light as the new Mustang. They will also give you more gear options from the factory. I think the next DI Coyote will finally make as much power as the new GM engine but the new LT1 will make more torque so we will see.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:11 PM   #7
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:29 PM   #8
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You and I alike, we must be a year late to the party
Well nothing official so far. Some argue that GM will not watch ford releasing the new mustang in mid 2014 without an action in 2015 while others believe that the 6th generation will be released 2016.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:35 PM   #9
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I hope you are comparing a 6th gen to the next gen Mustang. If you are its going to depend heavily on weight and gearing. If GM learned a few leasons with the 5th gen they will make the car under 3600lbs or at least as light as the new Mustang. They will also give you more gear options from the factory. I think the next DI Coyote will finally make as much power as the new GM engine but the new LT1 will make more torque so we will see.
News leaks talk about 5.0 mustang with independent suspension, new look, better quality materials, lighter weight and higher price. They aim to compete with the Germans. The Boss model is expected to discontinue!

As for the Camaro I heard that the SS 6.2 will continue and their will be a turbo charged model for the V6. Some expect the Z28 to be released too.
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The argument is whether GM is willing to listen to Camaro owners and fans or not ?

A number of articles show that Ford is listening to mustang customers and taking their tastes into consideration. While they aim with the new generation to re-design the Mustang to compete in Europe, they are very keen to maintain the american muscle icon for the sake of the US owners !
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News leaks talk about 5.0 mustang with independent suspension, new look, better quality materials, lighter weight and higher price. They aim to compete with the Germans. The Boss model is expected to discontinue!

As for the Camaro I heard that the SS 6.2 will continue and their will be a turbo charged model for the V6. Some expect the Z28 to be released too.
I think ford is making a big mistake making the mustang more European. Although it is fine with me more people will buy the camaro because they want a muscle car.

Turbo v6 especially as a Z28 ill believe it when i see it.
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:13 PM   #12
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I think ford is making a big mistake making the mustang more European. Although it is fine with me more people will buy the camaro because they want a muscle car.

Turbo v6 especially as a Z28 ill believe it when i see it.
That is in one case only, if Camaro remains the same because so far I hear rumors on the 6th g to be developed from the 1st g.

I fear that GM will repeat Ford mistake with the 2005-2010 generation that came after the slim and sexy 1998-2002 mustang !!

Personally I prefer a developed 5th generation.
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News leaks talk about 5.0 mustang with independent suspension, new look, better quality materials, lighter weight and higher price. They aim to compete with the Germans. The Boss model is expected to discontinue!

As for the Camaro I heard that the SS 6.2 will continue and their will be a turbo charged model for the V6. Some expect the Z28 to be released too.
I have heard the SS trim will be dropped to avoid confusion with the new SS car. I would hate to see the Z/28 return as the base V8.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:33 PM   #14
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News leaks talk about 5.0 mustang with independent suspension, new look, better quality materials, lighter weight and higher price. They aim to compete with the Germans. The Boss model is expected to discontinue!

As for the Camaro I heard that the SS 6.2 will continue and their will be a turbo charged model for the V6. Some expect the Z28 to be released too.
Chevy will need to jump two generations with the materials in the Camaro interior. The Mustang is winning that racing 100% right now. Leave the plastic to the crappy Sonic...

Also the Boss was a two year run. Just like the original I think everyone needs to get that clear in their heads...


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That is in one case only, if Camaro remains the same because so far I hear rumors on the 6th g to be developed from the 1st g.

I fear that GM will repeat Ford mistake with the 2005-2010 generation that came after the slim and sexy 1998-2002 mustang !!

Personally I prefer a developed 5th generation.
I hardly believe that Ford made a mistake with the 5th gen Mustang. If they did, you certainly wouldn't be able to buy a Camaro or Challenger now.. Ford took a risk with the Retro theme and when people saw that it sold (GM and Mopar) they released their own retro cars (though I'd hardly call a Korean's interpretation of the Camaro retro).

Also the 5th generation Mustang is 2005-2014 not 2005-2010 (and actually 2005-2009). 2010+ was a Life Cycle Impuse update similar to what BMW does. There were a lot of changes made to the car but it's virtually the same design and the same goes for 1999-2004 MY Mustangs.

But for the original question. The current Mustang has the advantage of being able put more power to the ground than the Camaro due to the LRA having less drivetrain loss. The IRS will zap some of that advantage while also making for a better handling car.

If we take into account that the Alpha Camaro will likely weigh around the same as the current base Mustang (around 3400 lb for the V6 based on the ATS figures) and add on a bit for each of the performance based models. The SS should weigh slightly less than the Current GT and the ZL1 should be around the same or a little less than the current GT500.

I think considering the Mustang is already pulling 1.00 G in the Track Pack GT with a LRA, the Mustang will have a higher advantage considering it will weigh less and have IRS. The Beijing West Industries 3rd Generation Magnaride Suspension will have a lot less of an advantage when the competitor is riding on IRS as well. That being said Chevy is also letting Ford make the first move so they will have two extra years to try and show up Ford.

It will be more about styling in the 6th Generation in my opinion. The cars will likely perform very closely...

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The argument is whether GM is willing to listen to Camaro owners and fans or not ?

A number of articles show that Ford is listening to mustang customers and taking their tastes into consideration. While they aim with the new generation to re-design the Mustang to compete in Europe, they are very keen to maintain the american muscle icon for the sake of the US owners !
Because the current gen mustang owners are saying they wish it was more European?
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IOM ninja hit the nail on the head.

Mustang will be smaller/lighter...and the new Camaro based on the Alpha platform will also be lighter and based on the ATS, should be around 3,400 lbs in base trim...maybe even less since the ATS base is under 3,400 lbs.

Both cars should be killer performers....even better than the current cars which are already awesome. For me, it will come down to the looks of both cars. One other thing I'd like to see is a version of the LFX V6 with 330 - 350 stock HP being available in the new Camaro, but not sure that will happen since I'm sure we will see a turbo 4 and a V8.
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I wouldn't expect a 6th gen to be available until early 2015 at the earliest. I think GM is going to release after the next gen Mustang to gain a big advantage and at the least make faster cars.

Also keep in mind that GM is doing very well so they probably have more on the table to use than Ford.

Regardless, I expect both cars to be similar to the current situation. Close in performance by mere tenths.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:46 PM   #18
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Maybe Im Misinformed but wasn't there talk of them putting a turbo v4 in the base model mustangs instead of a v6?
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I wouldn't expect a 6th gen to be available until early 2015 at the earliest. I think GM is going to release after the next gen Mustang to gain a big advantage and at the least make faster cars.

Also keep in mind that GM is doing very well so they probably have more on the table to use than Ford.

Regardless, I expect both cars to be similar to the current situation. Close in performance by mere tenths.
I agree the Camaro will come later. The current generation of Mustang was sold for years before the current Camaro came around so it would only make sense that the Camaro comes out a year or two later. I do not know what you mean by, "GM is doing very well..." though. In what regard is Ford not also doing well?
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I agree the Camaro will come later. The current generation of Mustang was sold for years before the current Camaro came around so it would only make sense that the Camaro comes out a year or two later. I do not know what you mean by, "GM is doing very well..." though. In what regard is Ford not also doing well?
GM made a great car with this Camaro, but they need to stop following Ford and design a car that Ford is scrambling to keep up with. Ford's Mustang outclasses the Camaro in every way that counts on the streets (except for maybe looks), in lateral acceleration and quarter mile times, weight is a huge problem here, etc.

I've been a die-hard Chevy guy since I started driving, but the problem is that Ford pushes the Mustang's performance across one platform whereas Chevy pushes their's across two. Chevy could build a Camaro that blasts the Mustang, but then it'd be called a Corvette and they don't want to do that. I'd swear that GM purposely engineered slow-me-down weight into the 5th gens just to keep those lines from blurring between the Vette and the Camaro. Meanwhile, Ford only has the Mustang which has many models that outperform the Camaro in almost every way.
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6th generation Camaro VS 50th Anniversary Mustang
Do you mean this 50th anniversary Mustang or the next generation of Mustang?

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GM made a great car with this Camaro, but they need to stop following Ford and design a car that Ford is scrambling to keep up with. Ford's Mustang outclasses the Camaro in every way that counts on the streets (except for maybe looks), in lateral acceleration and quarter mile times, weight is a huge proble .
Don't forget that the same level competing mustang costs more across the board.

They didn't follow ford when they gave Camaro its rear suspension. Or the zl1 with its magnetic suspension. Staying with the zl1 it outclassed its competing mustang in every aspect aside from quarter mile, while still being more affordable.

I don't know what streets you are on but I have yet to see a board with quarter mile times
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If you want to know more about the next gen Camaro, just google CADILLAC ATS
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Way too early to predict how well the 6th gen Camaro and next Mustang will sell.
It's safe to bet the next Mustang will sell like crazy on its first year though. The Camaro won't have a chance in the sales war that year. The Camaro will likely match (or better) Mustang sales though when the 6th gen is released. The projected release years of the 6th gen Camaro and next Mustang gives the Camaro an advantage in the long run.
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