Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Grabiak Performance Center
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons

Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons Bolt-Ons | Intakes | Exhaust

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-26-2012, 09:56 PM   #1
BradsL99
 
BradsL99's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro 2ss/rs L99
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Boise,ID
Posts: 8
Exclamation Need Help Full Engine Build

Ok so I want to build an all N/A Camaro, itís a 2012 l99 2SS/RS with 25k on the odometer. So Iíve been reading lots of post on here, and decided Iím just going to ship it off to a shop for the winter, i.e. lg motor sports, livernois motorsports, Jeanette racing etc. Iíve also made a parts list but I wonder if itís just better to just let them build it and write a check. Iím going to convert to LS3 components and get rid of DOD and VVT my goal is to make at least 550hp and 500 ft. lbs. . . . im looking for all input to make this happen. So hereís my parts list...


JUICED MOTORSPORTS STAGE 3 LS3 HEADS 360 CFM INT 240 CFM EXH DUAL VALVE SPRINGS
G6X3 cam package
FAST 102mm intake manifold
FAST 102 mm throttle body with body spacer
ARP Head Bolts
MLS Head Gaskets
Hardened Pushrods
SLP Under drive pulley
Wideband 02 Bung
Cold Air inductions with JRE scoop and washer relocate kit
NGK TR6 Spark Plugs
GMPP LS7 Lifters
GMPP LS2 Lifter guide kit
GMPP LS2 Valley Cover
GMPP Valve Cover Breather Block-Off
GMPP LS7 Camshaft Sprocket
GMPP Timing Chain Dampener
GMPP PCV Hose for Non-DOD applications
GMPP LS2 Lifter guide kit
GMPP MLS Header Gaskets
ARP Camshaft Retainer plate bolts
ARP Timing Chain Bolts
LS2 Front Cover
4.11 gears/4.33 gears
2800 stall converter
Granatelli Motorsports 0hms Red Ignition Wires (Hi Temp)
Camaro SS Granatelli Motorsports Coil Set 80KV
LG Motorsports G5 Camaro Super Pro Headers 2'' in x 3''
Moroso Oil Separator (Catch Can)
Custom Dyno tune


This will be my daily driver, needs to be very reliable, so quality parts is a must. Also I donít know what stall converter and gear combo to go with. Also I really donít know who to ship it to; Iím really torn between lg motorsports, and livernois motorsports. Is this list overkill? Am I missing something? Best shop?
BradsL99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2012, 10:09 PM   #2
Comrando
SScalator
 
Comrando's Avatar
 
Drives: '11 CGM LS3
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 6,430
Why didn't you post here:
Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons

The posters there will be more help.
__________________
Give me fuel. Give me fire. Give me that which I desire.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/Slotict/Camaro/Wink-2_zpscd6910bd.jpg
Comrando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2012, 10:10 PM   #3
midnightz/28
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2010 2SS/RS, 1981 Z/28,
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: street near you!
Posts: 139
That's too low of gear in my opinion. Just my thoughts thought.
midnightz/28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2012, 10:12 PM   #4
Apex Paul

 
Apex Paul's Avatar
 
Drives: Wagon Queen Family Truckster
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Louisville, Ky
Posts: 1,611
Rather than a parts list, I might start by asking two things: What do you want from the motor, and what is your budget? then you can figure out if your parts list is going to 1.) Get you the power you want and 2.) fit into your budget.

I think you have answered #1, 550 hp.
__________________
Apex Paul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2012, 10:13 PM   #5
Apex Paul

 
Apex Paul's Avatar
 
Drives: Wagon Queen Family Truckster
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Louisville, Ky
Posts: 1,611
Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightz/28 View Post
That's too low of gear in my opinion. Just my thoughts thought.
I would be right with you on that. If it was an M6 car I would have no problem with the lower gears.

Of course, maybe he has some other reason to go that low, you never know without asking what the intentions are for the car.
__________________
Apex Paul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2012, 10:14 PM   #6
JohnnyBfromPeoria

 
JohnnyBfromPeoria's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 LS M6, Black
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 2,037
Or, what is it he wants from his car?

EDIT: Paul beat me to it.

John B.
__________________
12 LS M6, IPF S/C, ASA GT-5 wheels, VMax PTB
1995 Mitsubishi Montero SR
1987 Dodge Raider Turbo Project
1986 Mitsubishi Montero 2.4l FI Transplant
JohnnyBfromPeoria is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2012, 10:15 PM   #7
midnightz/28
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2010 2SS/RS, 1981 Z/28,
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: street near you!
Posts: 139
From experience with my combo, I have a a6 and a 3.45 is too low...
midnightz/28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2012, 10:16 PM   #8
willhe64

 
willhe64's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 45th Vert, 2011 4x4, 9sec Vega
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,905
Having run all motor my whole life and just spending my first day in my supercharged Camaro I can definitely say that you are making a mistake. You know you sacrifice driveability for power in a naturally aspirated vehicle. You take away from the low end to build the top end.
My maggie equipped ls3 has better manners now than it did stock. Purrs like a kitten and then screams like a banshee when you walk on it. Crazy good. Better fuel mileage too.
__________________
I feel it only fair to warn you, I have a black belt in CAPS LOCK.
willhe64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2012, 11:19 PM   #9
v6sonoma


 
v6sonoma's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 SS RS
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Providence, RI
Posts: 7,812
Quote:
Originally Posted by willhe64 View Post
Having run all motor my whole life and just spending my first day in my supercharged Camaro I can definitely say that you are making a mistake. You know you sacrifice driveability for power in a naturally aspirated vehicle. You take away from the low end to build the top end.
My maggie equipped ls3 has better manners now than it did stock. Purrs like a kitten and then screams like a banshee when you walk on it. Crazy good. Better fuel mileage too.
Not 100% true. If hitting a certain dyno # is your main goal than you are right but you can have it both ways in a NA car if you plan it out right.
__________________

Mods: BBK Intake, BBK LT's and High Flow Cats, Corsa Cat-back exhaust, Hurst short throw shifter, SLP skip-shift eliminator.

7/1/09 Placed order for IOM/IO int/ SS/RS 6M
9/26/09 Took delivery!
v6sonoma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2012, 11:31 PM   #10
willhe64

 
willhe64's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 45th Vert, 2011 4x4, 9sec Vega
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,905
There is no way you can build an all motor ls block to have the kind of power a supercharger delivers throughout the rpm range and not suffer for streetability or manners. Not saying the thing will be a pain to drive, but there is a trade off.
I've just felt it and I'm a believer.
__________________
I feel it only fair to warn you, I have a black belt in CAPS LOCK.
willhe64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2012, 11:34 PM   #11
14pilot
Original Bumblebee Owner
 
14pilot's Avatar
 
Drives: 265hp ZX-14, 500hp Silverado, V-ROD
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,388
If I where to do this, I'd go to and engine builder and discuss my goals with them.

No offense intended to anyone here, but I would not go to any Internet forum for advice.

Just a thought...
__________________
Quote:
Quote:
#5 - 2010 2SS/RS MN6 ABM #142-Silver Rallys-GFX / Med Titanium
My previous Camaros:
#4 - 1994 Z/28 6M Black over Arctic White / Graphite-Red Inserts - traded
#3 - 1981 Z/28 Bright Blue Metallic / Black - sold
#2 - 1970.5 RS Mulsanne Blue / Blue - endo crashed it and parted it out
#1 - 1967 RS Butternut Yellow w/ Black Bumblebee Stripe-RPO D91 / Parchment-Black - sold
14pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2012, 11:39 PM   #12
BradsL99
 
BradsL99's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro 2ss/rs L99
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Boise,ID
Posts: 8
My main goal is 100 % reliability, forced induction , in my opinion is to unpredictable. I just want a semi street able , daily driver. I don't know what are good gears for a6, but that's why I posted on here . I wanna do a lot of freeway pulls . Since majority of my driving is freeway. I know I can't have the best of both worlds with this wild of a cam but I want that sound everyone wants from a race car. And the dyno number is just ball park rang. But I want over 500 , lots of zo6 where I live and don't want to be scared when one pulls up next to me.
BradsL99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2012, 11:54 PM   #13
14pilot
Original Bumblebee Owner
 
14pilot's Avatar
 
Drives: 265hp ZX-14, 500hp Silverado, V-ROD
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,388
Your build will require a lot of maintenance. Are you prepared for putting new valve springs in every 20K miles? Camming up to ~550rwhp will require that. You are going to need a lot beefer valve train than in your parts list to have dependability. Cooling systems upgrades? Forged bottom end?

If you were to consider going to a stroker or LSX 454 you get there with something that would hold together longer. Then you still need to beef up the entire drive train too.

Just some thoughts on what to discuss with someone that builds these types of engines for a living...

And what about when the guy with the fully built Z06 pulls up next to you ??? And he has a huge weight advantage over you too. You will be spanked.

There's always going to be a bigger dog out there no matter how much you spend.
__________________
Quote:
Quote:
#5 - 2010 2SS/RS MN6 ABM #142-Silver Rallys-GFX / Med Titanium
My previous Camaros:
#4 - 1994 Z/28 6M Black over Arctic White / Graphite-Red Inserts - traded
#3 - 1981 Z/28 Bright Blue Metallic / Black - sold
#2 - 1970.5 RS Mulsanne Blue / Blue - endo crashed it and parted it out
#1 - 1967 RS Butternut Yellow w/ Black Bumblebee Stripe-RPO D91 / Parchment-Black - sold
14pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 12:37 AM   #14
VADER SS L99


 
VADER SS L99's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Edmond, OK
Posts: 2,492
I agree with the above. 550RWHP is the minimum you will need to contend with a well driven STOCK Z06. How many stock ZO6 owners do you guys know because around here they all have AT LEAST bolt ons and alot are cammed. Unless you are just a die hard NA guy and want to spend alot of money on a big cubed NA setup you should really consider FI. For example a Whipple kit on 8-9 psi with ZL1 fuel pump and ID-850 injectors, LT headers, CAI and a great tune will make 525-550rwhp through a auto and cost less than a 427 all while being more streetable and super reliable. Not to mention it will have a better power curve. There is absolutly nothing wrong with a supercharger if the owner keeps the boost low, has enough fuel supply, and a great tune. Call Jannetty or Livernois and I am sure they will tell you the same. Also your gear choice should be 3.45 or 3.70's and you should take the GMS coils off your list.
__________________
BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009.
VADER SS L99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 04:33 AM   #15
alaskacamaro
 
alaskacamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 2SS 45TH Anniversary
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Alaska
Posts: 570


Agreed above. I'm still learning a lot but SC seems safe (and cheaper) on a L99 or LS3 engine. Most SC companies will sell a new power train warranty for your car after installation, which tells me they have a lot of confidence that a SC installed correctly will give you the power you need (575-600) and still keep your reliability. Most only upgrade their engines when they are trying to get past 700hp safely, at least as far as I can tell.
alaskacamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 06:23 AM   #16
Camper
Banned
 
Drives: 10' 2SS LS3 M6
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Phoenix,AZ
Posts: 1,394
Quote:
Originally Posted by 14pilot View Post
If I where to do this, I'd go to and engine builder and discuss my goals with them.

No offense intended to anyone here, but I would not go to any Internet forum for advice.

Just a thought...

you know some of the most reputable builders of LS visit this forum?
Camper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 07:50 AM   #17
litle88
V8 Lounge member #2
 
litle88's Avatar
 
Drives: 2001 Ws6
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Burbank,IL
Posts: 6,353
I comend you for staying NA, but whether your NA or FI there is no such thing as reliable. In this hobby it's, build, race, break and repeat.

What is your budget?
The cam might not be for you, I'd call comp and ask for Gab Grey he is definitely the one to talk to about your goals.
The gears are definitely too low, since you do lots of hwy driving I might just stay stock
From the list please remove the coil packs
I'd just get some msd wires and save the rest of the money
Not sure about arp timing chain bolts?
The stall will depend on the cam

Have you considered selling your short block and getting a stroker? they are sponsors that will give you money for it if you purchase one of their shortblocks.

Just thinking out loud.
__________________
01 Ws6, m6, ASC#618 of 1583,40k Miles,shortblock built by AES the rest built by me,Ls3 416,FAST 102, NW102,LPE Ls3 heads

Join us:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/5138...3848358733509/
litle88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 11:39 AM   #18
John@cartek

 
Drives: Chevy
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: NJ
Posts: 26
Just saying we have built a street driven 515 RWHP SS..with heads cam and bolt ons..yes you should replace springs every 2 yrs or so, but other then that this car is a daily driver, and clicks off 10.8 at 129 mph
John@cartek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 12:44 PM   #19
BradsL99
 
BradsL99's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Camaro 2ss/rs L99
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Boise,ID
Posts: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by John@cartek View Post
Just saying we have built a street driven 515 RWHP SS..with heads cam and bolt ons..yes you should replace springs every 2 yrs or so, but other then that this car is a daily driver, and clicks off 10.8 at 129 mph
You have a parts list?
BradsL99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 12:56 PM   #20
RJT Impala
Stovebolt BluFlame 6
 
RJT Impala's Avatar
 
Drives: '12 2LT/RS, IBM; '14 Malibu LTZ
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 488
Remember, the FI will provide compensation for your altitude in Boise. Might be the easiest way to achieve the results you're looking for.
RJT Impala is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 01:02 PM   #21
Unreal


 
Drives: 2006 Z06
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Posts: 2,429
Quote:
Originally Posted by willhe64 View Post
There is no way you can build an all motor ls block to have the kind of power a supercharger delivers throughout the rpm range and not suffer for streetability or manners. Not saying the thing will be a pain to drive, but there is a trade off.
I've just felt it and I'm a believer.
Not for the same price. You can easily make 550+ and have it perfectly streetable for enough money. Just spending $20k on a motor vs $6k on a blower isn't what most people do.

Or you can spend $6500 on a TT kit, make 500-700rwhp through the auto with the turn of a knob, and it will drive just like stock until you mash the pedal.
__________________
Nick
2006 Corvette Z06 -1000+rwhp
Unreal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 03:50 PM   #22
VADER SS L99


 
VADER SS L99's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro SS L99
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Edmond, OK
Posts: 2,492
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradsL99 View Post
You have a parts list?
I would be very surprised if that car didn't have alot of weight reduction. I also dont care what they or anyone says, a stock cubed NA heads/cam/intake car is not going to drive as good as a FI car and if you laid both dyno graphs over each other you would see massive chunks of power difference from the FI setup over the NA setup.

Price a Fast 102/102, Mast or PRC aftermarket heads, cam, converter, install and supporting hardware and see if it doesnt cost the same as a FI kit with fuel componets and install. When looking for over 500rwhp there is no cheaper alternative than FI and the driveability at that power level is going to be night and day.
__________________
BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009.
VADER SS L99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 04:35 PM   #23
willhe64

 
willhe64's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 45th Vert, 2011 4x4, 9sec Vega
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,905
Quote:
Originally Posted by John@cartek View Post
Just saying we have built a street driven 515 RWHP SS..with heads cam and bolt ons..yes you should replace springs every 2 yrs or so, but other then that this car is a daily driver, and clicks off 10.8 at 129 mph
And it makes 5 ft/lbs of torque at 1500 rpm.
__________________
I feel it only fair to warn you, I have a black belt in CAPS LOCK.
willhe64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 05:43 PM   #24
429
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2010 camaro ss
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Richmond Hill, GA
Posts: 813
All those mods and you MIGHT touch high 400s or just touch 500 on an L99. You don't have the compression to turn out more power, and you lose a lot through the trans.
429 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2012, 06:08 PM   #25
fldrummer
"Black Ace"
 
fldrummer's Avatar
 
Drives: 2SS/RS black/black
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 1,731
Unless I missed something, I don't believe the OP ever specified he wanted 550 RWHP, as opposed to engine HP. 'Makes a big difference, as most of you know.
__________________
2010 2SS/RS M6 "Black Ace" - Delivered 6/4/2009
Mods: Forged LS3 (9.8:1 CR), Maggie TVS 2300 SC with OD rear pulley, Custom Comp cam (223/244, .610/.596, 114 LSA), Monster LT1-SC twin-disk clutch, Dynotech 1-piece driveshaft, CAI Inc. intake w/ ADM scoop, XS Power full exhaust (1 7/8" LT headers with 3" off-road pipes), VMAX CNC-ported TB, LSR adjustable sway bars, LPE rear end-links, BMR 1" drop, BMR polyurethane bushings; UMI trailing arms & toe rods. 572 rwhp/548 rwtq (Mustang Dyno, maxed-out injectors).
fldrummer is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Tags
bolt on package, engine, lg motorsports, livernois motorsports

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:57 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.