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Old 06-07-2009, 08:58 PM   #1
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World of Warcraf pvp'ers should check this out.

If you play WoW and pvp, you know that a lot of people are complaining that burst dmg is the number 1 thing that "needs to be fixed". 65% of complaints are about how in group pvp, the fact that people can die before a 1-1.5 second heal cast goes off is common. The group pvp becomes, who can burst each other down first. Blizzard has responded with "Burst is not a problem..." Claiming that it wasn't possibly to kill someone that fast.

This happened less than three days ago at the Major League Gaming finals in Columbus.

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l2 not be in a position to get 2 shotted and there is no need for a nerf.....so many players with no skill complain....go to a carbear server if you dont like it!
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Rofl... WoW...

Kidding, just kidding. I respect the accomplishment that WoW is for the MMO industry. Just didn't like it when I played it. I played CoH for 5 years though, and I've been playing guild wars since it came out. Waiting for GW2 at the moment.
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Rofl... WoW...

Kidding, just kidding. I respect the accomplishment that WoW is for the MMO industry. Just didn't like it when I played it. I played CoH for 5 years though, and I've been playing guild wars since it came out. Waiting for GW2 at the moment.
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/shrug. I think I've tried every MMO out there, and I keep coming back to WoW as the most polished, far and away. Different strokes for different folks.

As for the RMP combo blowing up that DK, if he's really wearing PVE gear, which it looks like, then they were also going for an instagib, and they rolled the dice and lost. Maybe a little resilience would have done him better against RMP. And where's his trinket and AMS?
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Hehe, I still don't understand why people get upset over PVP in WoW. It's designed to be a carebear game- enjoy it for what it is .
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I have to state my opinion on this...

WoW is an abomination and has forever soiled the mmo ideology. I will make a ufamism so you can understand how I feel.

WoW as a MMo is like a 4 cylinder Camaro with 100hp and 45mpg. It will appeal to alot of comsumers, but has lost the spirit of its intent. WoW is a giant suck fest created to sell copies, not to please the true die-hard mmo/pvp fans. WoW is more of a social gathering than anything else.

I have tried alot of MMO's and only a few shine. Obviously the best concept/system would go to UO, but that is very outdated(graphicly). Guild Wars had a nice balance of things. DAoC was a founding father to the 3d pvp mmo, and it did a decent job, it was fun to play. Darkfall is turning out to be a failure, beta was horrible.

Anyway, I want something real and brutal. I want UO2! haha
I am looking forward to The Old Republic. We'll see what that has to offer...
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WoW as a MMo is like a 4 cylinder Camaro with 100hp and 45mpg. It will appeal to alot of comsumers, but has lost the spirit of its intent. WoW is a giant suck fest created to sell copies, not to please the true die-hard mmo/pvp fans. WoW is more of a social gathering than anything else.
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If you play WoW and pvp, you know that a lot of people are complaining that burst dmg is the number 1 thing that "needs to be fixed". 65% of complaints are about how in group pvp, the fact that people can die before a 1-1.5 second heal cast goes off is common. The group pvp becomes, who can burst each other down first. Blizzard has responded with "Burst is not a problem..." Claiming that it wasn't possibly to kill someone that fast.

This happened less than three days ago at the Major League Gaming finals in Columbus.]
Burst damage isn't as big a deal as it use to be. If you watch the vid again and look carefully you will see all three players are attacking the same target and it took a good 6-7 hits to kill him, he wasn't 1 or 2 shoted.

And yes I use to play WoW back when it was fun, before the honor system and battlegrounds ruined world PvP. Biggest mistake Blizz ever did to the game imo.
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Old 06-08-2009, 11:40 PM   #11
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l2 not be in a position to get 2 shotted and there is no need for a nerf.....so many players with no skill complain....go to a carbear server if you dont like it!

I'm not complaining, I don't arena since I main a warlock. All I hear about is burst dmg burst dmg burst dmg wahhh wahhh wahhhh... I just laugh.

I'm the exact opposite of a carebear, so stop preaching to the choir. I come from 6.5 years of uo on Baja (the guild/server that decimated Empire of the Fallen Lords "World domination tour". I am also a former member of Serenity Now of Illidan server (can you say funeral bombing?)

Again, for Kevin, I was just posting this because the coordination was awesome. I'm not putting it down, I'm amused by it.


@ Hemlawk...UOX was gonna be amazing, too bad it was canned. I was hoping for Darkfall to be cool, but it's way too small scale to be anything near what UO was back in the day.
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I'm not complaining, I don't arena since I main a warlock. All I hear about is burst dmg burst dmg burst dmg wahhh wahhh wahhhh... I just laugh.

I'm the exact opposite of a carebear, so stop preaching to the choir. I come from 6.5 years of uo on Baja (the guild/server that decimated Empire of the Fallen Lords "World domination tour". I am also a former member of Serenity Now of Illidan server (can you say funeral bombing?)

Again, for Kevin, I was just posting this because the coordination was awesome. I'm not putting it down, I'm amused by it.


@ Hemlawk...UOX was gonna be amazing, too bad it was canned. I was hoping for Darkfall to be cool, but it's way too small scale to be anything near what UO was back in the day.
ohhhh my bad thought u were complaining, it was the pallies fault for trying to save his bubble .....cost them the match....and to those saying WOW isnt a great mmo there are 9 million people paying 15 bucks a month that say otherwise.
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:23 AM   #13
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correction. 12 mil+ =P

But yeah, it's a great mmo, just not for hardcore people anymore. The game is catering to casuals mostly because they make up 95% of the game's playerbase...
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correction. 12 mil+ =P

But yeah, it's a great mmo, just not for hardcore people anymore. The game is catering to casuals mostly because they make up 95% of the game's playerbase...
Correction. 3 million customers with 4 accounts each....
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Correct. I meant 12 million subscriptions
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hmmm...the title of this thread confuses me
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Correct. I meant 12 million subscriptions


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haha, ok, my bad buddy

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ohhhh my bad thought u were complaining, it was the pallies fault for trying to save his bubble .....cost them the match....and to those saying WOW isnt a great mmo there are 9 million people paying 15 bucks a month that say otherwise.
Yeah, and 19 million people get STDs every year. Does that mean its a good thing to do?

Numbers != intelligence.
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Yeah, and 19 million people get STDs every year. Does that mean its a good thing to do?

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And less accessible, harder content doesn't = intelligence either. Only thing worse than a car elitist is an MMO elitist.

I've played just about every MMO there is, and I tell you what. If you want hardcore PVP, then fine, DAOC or GW. Want a better market model? Then sure, Eve has a more full model. Does that make it better? No. Just different.

I've been playing computer games since B-1 Bomber on a 1983 atari-800 and I've never been able to get my wife to play any games with me. She liked the look of WoW, tried it, and was easily able to get the hang of the very friendly system (again, inaccessible, obscure UI's that make you read a book doesn't make it better just because it's harder).

Now, 4 years later, my game-hating wife has a lvl 80 Troll fire mage that raids Ulduar every week with our guild. WoW brought my wife in to my hobbies. Now you go ahead and tell me how that's a bad thing that new, casual gamers are now coming in to our hobby and swelling the industry.

If you don't like my wife and I's choice of game, that's fine. That's why it's a choice. I'm just not sure where you get off questioning a man's intelligence over it.
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And less accessible, harder content doesn't = intelligence either. Only thing worse than a car elitist is an MMO elitist.

I've played just about every MMO there is, and I tell you what. If you want hardcore PVP, then fine, DAOC or GW. Want a better market model? Then sure, Eve has a more full model. Does that make it better? No. Just different.

I've been playing computer games since B-1 Bomber on a 1983 atari-800 and I've never been able to get my wife to play any games with me. She liked the look of WoW, tried it, and was easily able to get the hang of the very friendly system (again, inaccessible, obscure UI's that make you read a book doesn't make it better just because it's harder).

Now, 4 years later, my game-hating wife has a lvl 80 Troll fire mage that raids Ulduar every week with our guild. WoW brought my wife in to my hobbies. Now you go ahead and tell me how that's a bad thing that new, casual gamers are now coming in to our hobby and swelling the industry.

If you don't like my wife and I's choice of game, that's fine. That's why it's a choice. I'm just not sure where you get off questioning a man's intelligence over it.
I was in no way trying to question your intelligence. I was merely saying that just because millions of people play it does not mean its a good game.

And if you honestly think that WoW has a simpler UI/Game System than GW, you've never played both. I have played both, and I hate WoW. It holds absolutely no entertainment value. As you say, its a choice and an opinion.

Of course, there are 5 million+ people playing guild wars, so by the same token they must be doing something right too.
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Danno, its cool that you and your wife found a game to play together. I might consider playing wow if my wife liked it too(she doesn't like video games).
But as an MMO veteran, that just proves to me that WoW isn't what I want in a game. Especially when house wives(no offense), little kids and non-gamer folk can play and rank up so easily.
I want death and mayhem.

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I was in no way trying to question your intelligence. I was merely saying that just because millions of people play it does not mean its a good game.

And if you honestly think that WoW has a simpler UI/Game System than GW, you've never played both. I have played both, and I hate WoW. It holds absolutely no entertainment value. As you say, its a choice and an opinion.

Of course, there are 5 million+ people playing guild wars, so by the same token they must be doing something right too.
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Sorry, my apologies for getting my hackles up so quickly. Actually, I have played guild wars, back in the early beta days. My guild (community, may be a better word...we've been together for like 9 years now) has a very very strong branch in GW. They were actually the very first GW guild of the week. However, regarding obscure UI's, I wasn't necessarily referring to GW, but several others out there. The original Everquest springs to mind as a prime example, as does shadowbane and whatever that dog of a game I beta'd for Sony was..Vanguard? THAT was a stinker.

I like GW just fine. As a tactical pvp game I think it is without peer, and the pricing model is of course, excellent. And maybe things have changed, but at least when I looked at it, a rich, persistent world with a plethora of different things to do and places to see, it was not.

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Danno, its cool that you and your wife found a game to play together. I might consider playing wow if my wife liked it too(she doesn't like video games).
But as an MMO veteran, that just proves to me that WoW isn't what I want in a game. Especially when house wives(no offense), little kids and non-gamer folk can play and rank up so easily.
I want death and mayhem.

To each his own
Ya, I agree that WoW is definitely lighter hearted than most MMO's short of "Fly for fun" (THAT takes the cake for lighthearted. However, I'd caution you on painting the end game with such a broad stroke. Some of the raid instances are definitely almost ridiculous now in the complexity and coordination it takes to pull off success.

And my house wife is now a serious gamer . Which is way cool.
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Unfortunately, Endgame for WoW is no where near as complex and difficult as it used to be. Back when Clearing MC took 40 people 8+ hours to clear, you got a HUGE sense of accomplishment. Nowadays, my current guild clears Ulduar with 4+ hardmodes in 2 nights of 2.5 hour raiding...Naxx was so sijmple and easy it wasn't even a joke. People were pugging that day 5 of the new expansion (that includes levelling up time).

People are now pugging ulduar up to council/kologarn on my server and we're not up there with the top progressionwise either.
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