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Old 06-25-2009, 05:38 PM   #35
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Oh I jumped ship when I told Dave Rogers to screw off and hung up on him... I won't spend a penny at that damn dealer.
I am at #4 with Paul at Navoto! Thanks for the info outlawz.

The unfortunate thing about John L, is that they will sell all out orders for that mark up price... so they don't lose anything other than the potential sales they had prior to screwing all of us over if anyone takes our words to heart.

Also Jayson the guy who bought the V6 Victory Red at the unveiling jumped shipped to when this came out, he is going back east to get his and is taking his daughter for a nice road trip home for the summer! I wish him a safe trip!

Jayson we want pics!!

BTW Is your sister cute? and legal
Dude super glad it worked out for you and i'm also glad we could get an honest dealer some business. Yeah I heard about the dude that bought the unveiling car and his issue with it being crashed... I feel bad that I was so hard on him about John L being nice to him but it is what it is. I'm glad he's going back east and taking a road trip with his new baby. He could have bought a V8 for probably what he paid for JL Sullivans V6 car.

yeah my sister is hot. But she's married. To Guy Fieri from Food Network.. So you're gonna have to be rich and be on TV for her to give you some..

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WOW He already sent me my confirmed order via email...
This guy is good!
What did he send you? The order workbench with the 1100 code??? If so that's what I got over fax. Did it in like 10 minutes...
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Old 06-25-2009, 06:47 PM   #36
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Question for the gang... I've learned (from other camaro5ers) that my dealer charges a dealer fee of $599. This was never brought up before so I plan on refusing to pay it. If it was like $100 or something I might just say whatever but an extra $600 of profit on top of MSRP is inexcusable. My car isn't here yet so I'm wondering how this is going to end up. Between this and the MSRP change, I know I'm going to have a fight on my hands. But combined we're talking a difference of $1000 and I'm not going to roll over for that kinda money. The fee is "legal" here in FL but doesn't mean I have to let them pull that crap. So am I out on a limb here or am I justified in my 'ummm no' thought? How much "fees" have other people been seeing?
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Old 06-26-2009, 12:06 AM   #37
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I have a new Suggestion, Boycott the Camaro. That will get someones attention!!!
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Old 06-26-2009, 12:10 AM   #38
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Question for the gang... I've learned (from other camaro5ers) that my dealer charges a dealer fee of $599. This was never brought up before so I plan on refusing to pay it. If it was like $100 or something I might just say whatever but an extra $600 of profit on top of MSRP is inexcusable. My car isn't here yet so I'm wondering how this is going to end up. Between this and the MSRP change, I know I'm going to have a fight on my hands. But combined we're talking a difference of $1000 and I'm not going to roll over for that kinda money. The fee is "legal" here in FL but doesn't mean I have to let them pull that crap. So am I out on a limb here or am I justified in my 'ummm no' thought? How much "fees" have other people been seeing?
I hate to say it but unless you have a signed purchase agreement with a stated price and no other additional costs stated on it you will probably be screwed!!!. Doesn't sound like too many dealers are giving in. The Camaro is becoming an uglyier car to me every day due to dealer BS!!!!
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Old 06-26-2009, 12:16 AM   #39
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I hate to say it but unless you have a signed purchase agreement with a stated price and no other additional costs stated on it you will probably be screwed!!!. Doesn't sound like too many dealers are giving in. The Camaro is becoming an uglyier car to me every day due to dealer BS!!!!
This dealer fee is charged on all cars, not just the camaro.

I have my order signed stating "MSRP or less with incentives". No mention of "fees". I'm just going to state that the fees make it more than MSRP and therefore against our agreement. We'll see how that goes.
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This dealer fee is charged on all cars, not just the camaro.

I have my order signed stating "MSRP or less with incentives". No mention of "fees". I'm just going to state that the fees make it more than MSRP and therefore against our agreement. We'll see how that goes.
It is true that some dealers charge a dealer prep fee on all cars they sell and it may be a fixed price per car, however they can make it whatever they want and get away with it. I have paid anywhere from 0.00 to 150.00 dealer prep. 600.00 sounds high
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Old 06-26-2009, 01:20 AM   #41
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I am sorry to hear that a few dealers are trying to force things on people that they don't want. I am still waiting to hear back from my dealer on pricing. I already know exactly what it should cost to the penny thanks to all of you and Camaro5. I will be calling my dealer and asking for a price in writing so I can arrange for financing ahead of delivery. If they can't give me the price I know it should be I will walk. I don't need the car, but I love it and would really like to have one. How ever I don't want to feel like I got screwed everytime I get in it either that would take away all the joy of owning it.
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Dude super glad it worked out for you and i'm also glad we could get an honest dealer some business. Yeah I heard about the dude that bought the unveiling car and his issue with it being crashed... I feel bad that I was so hard on him about John L being nice to him but it is what it is. I'm glad he's going back east and taking a road trip with his new baby. He could have bought a V8 for probably what he paid for JL Sullivans V6 car.

yeah my sister is hot. But she's married. To Guy Fieri from Food Network.. So you're gonna have to be rich and be on TV for her to give you some..

What did he send you? The order workbench with the 1100 code??? If so that's what I got over fax. Did it in like 10 minutes...
Yes me too, thanks again for the info!

Yeah he has a pretty good deal on a V8, I don't want to spoil his story so I'd rather he reply.

So you're pimpin out your sister and she is married... $1,500 buck for a wax job, I'd better be rich to pull that... no comment on your last part... I don't want to get banned for what I was going to say LOL

No he sent me an order summary, said when he gets the allocation, he will take my deposit and place the order. But nothing until then, so no workbench order yet. But the summary says it was accepted (code 1100)... weird. But yeah he sent it to me seriously like 10 min. later! He was very thorough, polite and explained everything to me (even though I knew most of it from being on Camaro5) but he explained how he was planning to order it and why etc...
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Question for the gang... I've learned (from other camaro5ers) that my dealer charges a dealer fee of $599. This was never brought up before so I plan on refusing to pay it. If it was like $100 or something I might just say whatever but an extra $600 of profit on top of MSRP is inexcusable. My car isn't here yet so I'm wondering how this is going to end up. Between this and the MSRP change, I know I'm going to have a fight on my hands. But combined we're talking a difference of $1000 and I'm not going to roll over for that kinda money. The fee is "legal" here in FL but doesn't mean I have to let them pull that crap. So am I out on a limb here or am I justified in my 'ummm no' thought? How much "fees" have other people been seeing?
Interesting they don't tell you what this "Fee" is? if not it's basically a mark up...
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Old 06-26-2009, 01:23 AM   #43
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This dealer fee is charged on all cars, not just the camaro.

I have my order signed stating "MSRP or less with incentives". No mention of "fees". I'm just going to state that the fees make it more than MSRP and therefore against our agreement. We'll see how that goes.
That sounds like a good plan of attack, but if they do it on all cars... they may not budge.
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Interesting they don't tell you what this "Fee" is? if not it's basically a mark up...
Yup. It's just more profit.
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That sounds like a good plan of attack, but if they do it on all cars... they may not budge.
If this was any other car, I would have negotiated a price and this would've been counted in that price. In this case I negotiated MSRP so I'm expecting it to be part of that. At least that's how I'm looking at it. I have a feeling they'll stick to it knowing they can get several grand more if I refuse to pay their stupid fees. Going to be interesting either way. I'll make sure to report back the results.
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Yup. It's just more profit.

If this was any other car, I would have negotiated a price and this would've been counted in that price. In this case I negotiated MSRP so I'm expecting it to be part of that. At least that's how I'm looking at it. I have a feeling they'll stick to it knowing they can get several grand more if I refuse to pay their stupid fees. Going to be interesting either way. I'll make sure to report back the results.
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Old 06-26-2009, 07:08 AM   #46
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UCF w00t and I have the same dealer lot and this is how my dealer at the lot has explained the dealer fee:

"599.95 dealer fee. I pay that, its over head, it will cover all service, gas detail and etc..."

Finally got out of him its not him or his GM but this dealership belongs to the AutoNation Group and it is them that mandate the dealer fee.

By chance there is proposed law going around the Florida House and Senate that will make dealer fees in Florida illegal just not soon enough to help us out.
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UCF w00t and I have the same dealer lot and this is how my dealer at the lot has explained the dealer fee:

"599.95 dealer fee. I pay that, its over head, it will cover all service, gas detail and etc..."

Finally got out of him its not him or his GM but this dealership belongs to the AutoNation Group and it is them that mandate the dealer fee.

By chance there is proposed law going around the Florida House and Senate that will make dealer fees in Florida illegal just not soon enough to help us out.
I see you saw the same articles I found . It can't be all autonation dealers because they have dealerships in states where the fee is illegal and other states where they put a cap on it. I assume you did see where in FL it's illegal for them to charge one customer the fee but not another. But they surely can drop the price of the vehicle down $600.
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I will post pictures soon, but thought I'd write a quick note on the experience yesterday of picking up my IMB RS Camaro. Everything was pretty typical until the financing stuff started and there was an extra $395 "protection package" tacked on. I refused to pay for it as my final order sheet and purchase price quote had all the taxes & fees and never mentioned the protection package addition. After about 20 minutes of the usual sales crap - "We add it to every car and it is not negotiable..." - the salesman said he was out of allocations and there were people willing to buy my car for $4000 over what I was paying. So, if I didn't want the car anymore he would sell it to someone on the waiting list and give me $2000 of the $4000; but, the $1500 down payment was not refundable! Bascially, he was going to give me $500 to walk away from the deal since I didn't want to pay for the crappy protection package. I actually thought long & hard about just walking away and just getting a Genesis coupe or 370Z, but I negotiated for some all-weather floor mats and trunk liner when they come in along with a couple of free oil changes and figured those would be close enough to the $395 profit package they were hawking. Other than that hassle everything went smooth & I'm finally driving my Camaro.
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BTW when I did the final order papers confirming the color & options being input to the factory I had to sign that the order was what I wanted. And, on that order sheet are the dealer invoice price and the MSRP price for the car and the options ordered. (I also checked to be sure the prices reflected the pre-order prices since everything went up just after March 16th.) Now, I can see how particular dealers may not see the signed order sheet as an actual contract; but, the signed order sheet with the final price of the car along with any verbal agreements on a MSRP sale will stand up in court in this state. I'm assuming everyone that pre-ordered had to come in and fill out (and sign) a final order sheet before the specified car order was released to the factory. I also know that won't keep them from trying to add dealer installed options but I still see the final order paperwork as a signed contract.
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I can't wait until prices start coming down on these and people who ordered at MSRP start asking for 500.00 to 1K off MSRP when the car comes in because that will be the going rate. Just watch how all of a sudden the same agreement many dealers would not honor for many, all of a sudden becomes an iron clad contract that they don't want to let you out of.
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I will post pictures soon, but thought I'd write a quick note on the experience yesterday of picking up my IMB RS Camaro. Everything was pretty typical until the financing stuff started and there was an extra $395 "protection package" tacked on. I refused to pay for it as my final order sheet and purchase price quote had all the taxes & fees and never mentioned the protection package addition. After about 20 minutes of the usual sales crap - "We add it to every car and it is not negotiable..." - the salesman said he was out of allocations and there were people willing to buy my car for $4000 over what I was paying. So, if I didn't want the car anymore he would sell it to someone on the waiting list and give me $2000 of the $4000; but, the $1500 down payment was not refundable! Bascially, he was going to give me $500 to walk away from the deal since I didn't want to pay for the crappy protection package. I actually thought long & hard about just walking away and just getting a Genesis coupe or 370Z, but I negotiated for some all-weather floor mats and trunk liner when they come in along with a couple of free oil changes and figured those would be close enough to the $395 profit package they were hawking. Other than that hassle everything went smooth & I'm finally driving my Camaro.
Glad it all worked out for you!
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