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Old 06-28-2009, 11:32 PM   #51
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I will post pictures soon, but thought I'd write a quick note on the experience yesterday of picking up my IMB RS Camaro. Everything was pretty typical until the financing stuff started and there was an extra $395 "protection package" tacked on. I refused to pay for it as my final order sheet and purchase price quote had all the taxes & fees and never mentioned the protection package addition. After about 20 minutes of the usual sales crap - "We add it to every car and it is not negotiable..." - the salesman said he was out of allocations and there were people willing to buy my car for $4000 over what I was paying. So, if I didn't want the car anymore he would sell it to someone on the waiting list and give me $2000 of the $4000; but, the $1500 down payment was not refundable! Bascially, he was going to give me $500 to walk away from the deal since I didn't want to pay for the crappy protection package. I actually thought long & hard about just walking away and just getting a Genesis coupe or 370Z, but I negotiated for some all-weather floor mats and trunk liner when they come in along with a couple of free oil changes and figured those would be close enough to the $395 profit package they were hawking. Other than that hassle everything went smooth & I'm finally driving my Camaro.
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:23 AM   #52
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Why does he keep saying "not this car?" "I'll sell you the car you want, but not this one." That's the one you ordered...he wouldn't have that car if you didn't order it...I must be missing something in his logic.
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Thanks, I don't think the saleman really wanted to hijack my car so he could sell it for $4K more, but the dealership had to try something being they were out of allocations. I guess $395 is far, far less than others on this forum have had to deal with. BTW#2 this dealership has a silver 2SS for sale at $37500 (plus $395, LOL) because someone else cancelled their order/backed out.
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My dealer is charging 199.00 doc fee plus ttl, they add 199.00 to every car so I guess it's not that bad, although this is nothing new since I have bought there before
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:07 AM   #55
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Why does he keep saying "not this car?" "I'll sell you the car you want, but not this one." That's the one you ordered...he wouldn't have that car if you didn't order it...I must be missing something in his logic.
Yup, I tried to ask him the same thing, and told him if I had not ordered it, it would not be there... he asked me who I was to talk to him that way...
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Question for the gang... I've learned (from other camaro5ers) that my dealer charges a dealer fee of $599. This was never brought up before so I plan on refusing to pay it. If it was like $100 or something I might just say whatever but an extra $600 of profit on top of MSRP is inexcusable. My car isn't here yet so I'm wondering how this is going to end up. Between this and the MSRP change, I know I'm going to have a fight on my hands. But combined we're talking a difference of $1000 and I'm not going to roll over for that kinda money. The fee is "legal" here in FL but doesn't mean I have to let them pull that crap. So am I out on a limb here or am I justified in my 'ummm no' thought? How much "fees" have other people been seeing?
Come to New Mexico we'll charge you double that. It's worth having the best car in years. Pay all the money and help the dealers and the economy. The more you pay the more tax the county gets and everyone is happy. You make me sick. Besides, your stubborness means that another more deserving person will be happy to pay and not complain...
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Old 06-29-2009, 06:23 PM   #57
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"my dealer is sticking me with all of these extra dealer charges"

Title states it all, let the camaro5 community know if your dealer is trying to rip you off by trying to add dealer installed options that you did not order and do not want…

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The fed has made laws that state that anything added above and beyond the Moroni sticker must be disclosed. It sound to me like they have disclosed this to you and If you want it pay for it. If you don't, someone else will. Don't let your wallet stand in the way of owning the coolest car in years... Pay it and quit complaining...
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Actually its the Monroney Law not Moroni; and, I hope ParklandTracy is just making a poor attempt at being funny at SummoneR's expense in the above two posts. The whole point of pre-ordering a Camaro is to get exactly what you want on the car, and the signed final order sheet with the agreed to price is the contract not the Monroney sticker. All the 2001 Monroney law states is that the MSRP for the car and options must appear on the sticker as well as destination charges and EPA gas mileage.
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The fed has made laws that state that anything added above and beyond the Moroni sticker must be disclosed. It sound to me like they have disclosed this to you and If you want it pay for it. If you don't, someone else will. Don't let your wallet stand in the way of owning the coolest car in years... Pay it and quit complaining...

Wow dude, you really don't know WTF your talking about do you?... did you even read the story, they disclosed it yes, but after the fact, on a sold order, not a car sitting on the lot... besides why should I pay for that highly marked up crap, when there are plenty of dealers who are not doing this. It because of mindless idot's who just pay for the crap that allows dealers to do this to the rest of us...
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Here's what I think is going on....

IMHO.

1. JL Sullivan is ordering the cars per your specs I imagine when you get your allocation number called. But you are not financing until the car comes in and AFAIK they are not cashing your deposit check if you have one just putting in a folder for later.

2. Your order runs thru the typical gamut of being produced. It gets put on a truck and arrives at JLS. They call you probably after it gets the 4100 dollars in JL Sullivan "upgrades" that you did not want or are approving to pay for. For 4100 dollars in stuff JLS will probably pocket like 3K. Kinda like selling the car for 4K over MSRP (which is about 8K over dealer invoice)...

3. They wash the car get it all pretty and get ready for your ass raping. You come down there and they "hope" you fall in love with the car and you'll do anything to get it (see another thread on here from JLS about this Phenomena) then dealer pulls out the financing sheet and you see MSRP (which again is already like 4K over dealer price) + 4100 in JLS bullshit and then TTL on top of that. So your roughly 37K camaro is now into the 44K area. You then have a decision to make. Listen to "what is it gonna take to get you in this car today" man, or listen to your gut instinct that you are taking it in the chili ring.... blue pill or red pill.....

So lets' say you choose A and you buy the car. You buy the 44,000 dollar car and drive it off the lot where it promptly depreciates to about 25,000 MAYBE but most likely less. So for the first three years you are UPSIDE DOWN on that badboy like a Disneyland roller coaster. Don't even think about getting rid of it in the first 4 years unless you like negative equity. The "we are adding value" theory that Mr General Manager at JLS talked about is pretty funny as well.... I can't EVER in the life of me recall in the history of Kelly blue Book where it asked me if I had "Paint protection", "clear bra", "window tint", or a "car cover" and that affected the retail or trade in value..... The same goes for "rim chroming" Also have you ever sold a car and told the buyer that you wanted say 1-2K more because you waxed it and you would include a car cover????? didn't think so. So all in all you again pay the 44K. JLS' balance sheet looks like this...

We pay: CAR-33500
ADDONS-1000 (being nice here)
TOTAL-34500

Idiot pay: CAR-37000
ADDONS-4100
TOTAL-41100 (not including TTL cuz dealer may or may not pocket some of that)

JLS makes- $6600 at a MINIMUM!!!! Assuming it costs 1K for that garbage... remember when 500 bucks over dealer invoice used to be fair????

Okay so you go Plan B and decide to salvage your manhood. JLS since they were never in a "contract" with you since they never cashed your check and gave you a price in writing will most likely put your car on the showroom floor, polish it up real nice, put a sticker on it that says "Market Adjustment +5K or so" and then wait. Since they never promised MSRP to anyone other than the person who ordered that car it can't be considered "bad business" and they will just wait like sharks for the blood in the water to show up with a pocket full of cash and no access to the "intrawebz" and camaro5.com....

now me summoner and a few others are plan C'ers.... We jumped ship prior to them getting the car. Now they can do what they wish. cancel the order, crash the car into a wall, paint it pink with candy ghostflames and sell it for 100K. I don't really care... I just am happy to know I didn't assist them in the robbery and stickup of hardworking americans. Cause if you think about it, if i order my car and balk at the deal, Someone , somewhere is gonna buy that car for probably WAY TOO MUCH..... and i'd kinda blame myself a little bit.....

just a real little bit..... sorry for my rant but I want ppl to know just what I think is going on here....
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Here's what I think is going on....

IMHO.

1. JL Sullivan is ordering the cars per your specs I imagine when you get your allocation number called. But you are not financing until the car comes in and AFAIK they are not cashing your deposit check if you have one just putting in a folder for later.

2. Your order runs thru the typical gamut of being produced. It gets put on a truck and arrives at JLS. They call you probably after it gets the 4100 dollars in JL Sullivan "upgrades" that you did not want or are approving to pay for. For 4100 dollars in stuff JLS will probably pocket like 3K. Kinda like selling the car for 4K over MSRP (which is about 8K over dealer invoice)...

3. They wash the car get it all pretty and get ready for your ass raping. You come down there and they "hope" you fall in love with the car and you'll do anything to get it (see another thread on here from JLS about this Phenomena) then dealer pulls out the financing sheet and you see MSRP (which again is already like 4K over dealer price) + 4100 in JLS bullshit and then TTL on top of that. So your roughly 37K camaro is now into the 44K area. You then have a decision to make. Listen to "what is it gonna take to get you in this car today" man, or listen to your gut instinct that you are taking it in the chili ring.... blue pill or red pill.....

So lets' say you choose A and you buy the car. You buy the 44,000 dollar car and drive it off the lot where it promptly depreciates to about 25,000 MAYBE but most likely less. So for the first three years you are UPSIDE DOWN on that badboy like a Disneyland roller coaster. Don't even think about getting rid of it in the first 4 years unless you like negative equity. The "we are adding value" theory that Mr General Manager at JLS talked about is pretty funny as well.... I can't EVER in the life of me recall in the history of Kelly blue Book where it asked me if I had "Paint protection", "clear bra", "window tint", or a "car cover" and that affected the retail or trade in value..... The same goes for "rim chroming" Also have you ever sold a car and told the buyer that you wanted say 1-2K more because you waxed it and you would include a car cover????? didn't think so. So all in all you again pay the 44K. JLS' balance sheet looks like this...

We pay: CAR-33500
ADDONS-1000 (being nice here)
TOTAL-34500

Idiot pay: CAR-37000
ADDONS-4100
TOTAL-41100 (not including TTL cuz dealer may or may not pocket some of that)

JLS makes- $6600 at a MINIMUM!!!! Assuming it costs 1K for that garbage... remember when 500 bucks over dealer invoice used to be fair????

Okay so you go Plan B and decide to salvage your manhood. JLS since they were never in a "contract" with you since they never cashed your check and gave you a price in writing will most likely put your car on the showroom floor, polish it up real nice, put a sticker on it that says "Market Adjustment +5K or so" and then wait. Since they never promised MSRP to anyone other than the person who ordered that car it can't be considered "bad business" and they will just wait like sharks for the blood in the water to show up with a pocket full of cash and no access to the "intrawebz" and camaro5.com....

now me summoner and a few others are plan C'ers.... We jumped ship prior to them getting the car. Now they can do what they wish. cancel the order, crash the car into a wall, paint it pink with candy ghostflames and sell it for 100K. I don't really care... I just am happy to know I didn't assist them in the robbery and stickup of hardworking americans. Cause if you think about it, if i order my car and balk at the deal, Someone , somewhere is gonna buy that car for probably WAY TOO MUCH..... and i'd kinda blame myself a little bit.....

just a real little bit..... sorry for my rant but I want ppl to know just what I think is going on here....
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:08 PM   #62
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The fed has made laws that state that anything added above and beyond the Moroni sticker must be disclosed. It sound to me like they have disclosed this to you and If you want it pay for it. If you don't, someone else will. Don't let your wallet stand in the way of owning the coolest car in years... Pay it and quit complaining...
This is the same person trying to sell a Camaro on here for over MSRP.Lol.
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This is the same person trying to sell a Camaro on here for over MSRP.Lol.
Are you serious? What a douche!!
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This bait and switch tactics is so cruel, mean spirited, idiotic, selfish, greedy, stupid thing any dealer can do.. Since the dealer is sticking you with so much crap you did not order, you should stick all those entities up his @5S and look for another dealer.. I would not give them your money or the satisfaction of the order..
not taking away from your bs with the car dealer. the one near me is only getting one at a time. and they sold the first one before it got there..and made the guy keep it in their showroom before he could have it just so they could show it off.the next one is the biggest bs of all and the only reason im writing this on this thread.they got another red lt and a guy went into the place to buy it. he said "what would you take for this car if i paid cash money for it." knowing they had him hook line and sinker they replied. " sorry buddy this car is part of a package deal, in order to get this car you have to buy the car that comes WITH IT. at sticker price." LOL. so to get his 25k lt camaro it cost him like 45k not including taxes and legal docs..etc. thats getting it in the tail pipe. and the worse baiting and screwing ive ever heard of..you cant buy this car for 25k unless you buy both cars cause they are part of a "package deal"..?????? the nerve of these assholes.
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UPDATE ON WHAT I HAVE DONE SO FAR

I ordered from Novato Chevy, from Paul Galassi, nice guy, he explained everything to me as far as what he was planning on doing etc... and other things I already knew from here of course, but very thorough. He told me they get one allocation a week and I am at #4, once I get to #1 he will call to get a deposit then it won't be long after that and my car will be here. They are charging $1,000 over MSRP, but at this point I'd rather pay that than $4,000 for maybe $1,000 worth of stuff that I don't want right now... or at all.

I also spoke with a Tim Boone at Boardwalk Chevrolet, he replied to 2 of my emails after 11:30pm... within minutes of emailing him. They either have an amazing auto response system that knew they had a yellow car on the lot just like I wanted, or he was up reading his emails that late. They offer GMS/Supplier pricing, but they have a 4-6 months wait... Tim was very helpful!

I also spoke with Ron MacMulkin of Macmulkin Chevrolet in New Hampshire, he recommended himself Camaro Scotty whom we all know and love from Newman Chevrolet, and Eric from Classic Chevrolet in Texas.

Ron was very supportive and was sorry for the ordeal and said WE (those three) know how to treat customers. I believe it based on his help to date!

So that's the story.

I have yet to contact the Bee, or the news, or the BBB etc... I have been soooo busy, I barely have time to read these anymore. LOL But we all plan to do so!
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1100, Preliminary order accepted March 31, 2009
2000, Order accepted by GM April 16, 2009
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3300, Order scheduled for production May 14, 2009
3400, Order broadcast May 21, 2009
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where did u get all this info on ur car from ? i ordered mine in the middle of may and they said it should come in mid-july and that i shld get tracking info and all that in the mail or something like that. But i havent gotten anything yet...jus wondering how u get this info ?
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1100, Preliminary order accepted March 31, 2009
2000, Order accepted by GM April 16, 2009
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3300, Order scheduled for production May 14, 2009
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where did u get all this info on ur car from ? i ordered mine in the middle of may and they said it should come in mid-july and that i shld get tracking info and all that in the mail or something like that. But i havent gotten anything yet...jus wondering how u get this info ?
you know i actually drove past a random car lot one day in my 08 Tahoe. and seen it..me and my fiancee were just riding around when we seen it..i slammed the brakes and slammed my truck into the parking lot. we got out and looked at it and i feel in love..at the exact point nothing was gonna stop me from owning that exact car. I asked the guy about trading in my tahoe. the owner jumped in without even asking and drove it down the street,came directly back and walked inside.the dealer then said come on lets discuss this. 15 mins later he came in and said that theyll trade if i pay after taxes and all that for 1500 dollars..i cracked a shitty green and said "buddy i didnt even think id even see this car today. i spent a crap load of money last year on this truck. im not letting it go like that..how about even?" he walked out, my fiancee kept whispering very angrily "are you insane?" you must be insane" "youre trying to trade off our tahoe!!!" he came back in and said "yes the owner said ok even. you just owe us 150 for title transfer..lol..i said man dude i have 75 bucks in my pocket..being an incredible guy he said gimme 50 and you can come back monday and pay the rest..LOL..guess im glad i didnt order mine..ive had it since about the beginning of May. so the car does pick it driver.
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I ordered from Novato Chevy, from Paul Galassi, nice guy, he explained everything to me as far as what he was planning on doing etc... and other things I already knew from here of course, but very thorough. He told me they get one allocation a week and I am at #4, once I get to #1 he will call to get a deposit then it won't be long after that and my car will be here. They are charging $1,000 over MSRP, but at this point I'd rather pay that than $4,000 for maybe $1,000 worth of stuff that I don't want right now... or at all.
I did the same thing... I called right before summoner did and I'm #3 (well maybe i'm further up now if he gets roughly 1 allocation a week).... I guess I ordered like middle of last week.... so that's cool. I might be able to put my money down middle of july by that schedule...shweet.... figure roughly 8 weeks.... mid september roughly car gets here.... cool.....
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I did the same thing... I called right before summoner did and I'm #3 (well maybe i'm further up now if he gets roughly 1 allocation a week).... I guess I ordered like middle of last week.... so that's cool. I might be able to put my money down middle of july by that schedule...shweet.... figure roughly 8 weeks.... mid september roughly car gets here.... cool.....
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SummoneR, sorry to hear about all this crap JLS is putting you through. I had called them a couple of months ago when I was up visiting family and was desperate to see a V8 and they had 2. Talked to Tammy on the phone and when I asked whether they were selling at MSRP. She said yes but they had some dealer options and tried to talk them up. Basically I knew it was all major BS mark-up stuff that only people who don't know any better would pay major money for. So I didn't even bother driving the 20 minutes of the road. Good thing as they sold both for a substantial amount over MSRP plus "dealer add-ons". One of the buyers has actually posted on this forum and hopefully he knew this stuff was BS but either didn't care or could just afford to pay whatever to drive it away that day.

In regards to Boardwalk in Redwood City. I hope they aren't shooting themselves in the foot and losing potential orders by estimating delivery too far out. I know another member here cancelled his order from Putnam in Burlingame (another stealership who is actually worse than JLS -- long story you can find here by member Savings41). He then placed an order w/Boardwalk in May and his vehicle showed up on the VIN tracked on 6/11 and is due in any day as well as another 2SS that was ordered after his 1LT. But I appreciate their honesty in not trying to lead people into believing they will have a car in just a two to three weeks like others who just want the sale.

Hope your order processes through quickly w/the Novato dealership and you are cruising your ride soon.
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went in to check on some camaros in my area..the sticker price was 26k for the same exact camaro i have..but they had their own sticker in the window that said 37k...for the same exact vehicle i got for 31k..its rediculous..the lot i bought mine from had only one car. this lot i looked at yesterday had 8 on their lot and only diference is white stripes on the hood and truck..seriously 10 k for stripes???lol
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Old 07-09-2009, 02:28 PM   #73
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Come to New Mexico we'll charge you double that. It's worth having the best car in years. Pay all the money and help the dealers and the economy. The more you pay the more tax the county gets and everyone is happy. You make me sick. Besides, your stubborness means that another more deserving person will be happy to pay and not complain...


ParklandTracy is Tracy Hoffer of Parkland Chevrolet in Puyallup, WA. He is a total crook. Tracy - you tell him "you make me sick"? Well YOU, sir, make ME sick for trying to come to these threads like you somehow know anything about anything. Your dealership is run by crooks so they've taught you to be one. No one is happy to pay anything more than what they should. You're in an industry that overcharges and rips people off and you know it so leave the REAL working man alone who doesn't want to deal with BS charges. Kick rocks.
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Old 07-09-2009, 04:11 PM   #74
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HA! So ParklandTracy is a price gouging dealer??? Wow that is really ballsy to come on here and tell people "you make me sick" cause we don't want to pay 10,000 dollar markups on vehicles cause of supply and demand.... and don't let your wallet stand in the way of owning the coolest car???? WTF is this guy smoking????

I have a few questions for him:

1. When your car depreciates when you drive it off the lot does it depreciate from the MSRP or from the overvalued price that you charged? Meaning if I buy a car from you at close to 50K with TTL for a fully loaded 2SS/RS and my brother buys one from an honest dealer for roughly 39K with TTL is my car worth 11K more than his when I decide to sell????

2. Someone on the phone with summoner (in fact the GM at John L Sullivan Chevy) used the argument of the dealer installed options adding value to the vehicle whereas a "dealer markup" is just that a markup that doesn't add value. Well while that is true to a degree I cannot recall a buyer I had lined up to buy a vehicle of mine used or anywhere on Kelly Blue Book asking me if I had a clear bra, window tinting, paint protection, or a car cover... These 4 things totalled up to 4100 by JLS calculations. So how are these things adding value to my car if I cannot recoup at least some costs when I sell?

For example: I'll use my house as an example. I installed 15,000 dollars in hardwood floors in my house as well as granite countertops for 6,000. Well when I sell my house can sell for at least 21K more than the house next door with identical square footage and without hardwood floors and granite. That is ADDING VALUE. not paying 4100 more for supposed "options" that do not allow me to recieve a higher price when selling. Unless you have another explanation. Nobody that I know is going to pay me any extra for a 1500 dollar wax job I got on my camaro 4 years earlier...

3. Others that I know that have ordered vehicles from other dealerships (one was a Jeep) said that when the vehicle is ordered that the dealership is merely a middleman. Said that the jeep was ordered and built for John Q Doe for example from the factory. Not "this jeep was built for Bubba Gump Jeep" and then delivered and sold to John. He told me that financing was already approved for 6 months, order was taken, vehicle was built and vehicle was delivered to dealership for pickup. Price was determined before ordering and purchase contract was signed at the time of order. I think this way of doing business is obviously the way to go about ordering a camaro if you don't want to get screwed. Unfortunately most GM dealerships are not doing this in order to swindle the customers or apply high pressure tactics once vehicle arrives when the new "owner" is in a precarious position. Seems very "slimeball" to me considering the financial position GM is in.

For example: I'll use my house as an example. I installed 15,000 dollars in hardwood floors in my house as well as granite countertops for 6,000. Well when I sell my house can sell for at least 21K more than the house next door with identical square footage and without hardwood floors and granite. That is ADDING VALUE. not paying 4100 more for supposed "options" that do not allow me to recieve a higher price when selling. Unless you have another explanation. Nobody that I know is going to pay me any extra for a 1500 dollar wax job I got on my camaro 4 years earlier...
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HA! So ParklandTracy is a price gouging dealer??? Wow that is really ballsy to come on here and tell people "you make me sick" cause we don't want to pay 10,000 dollar markups on vehicles cause of supply and demand.... and don't let your wallet stand in the way of owning the coolest car???? WTF is this guy smoking????

I have a few questions for him:

1. When your car depreciates when you drive it off the lot does it depreciate from the MSRP or from the overvalued price that you charged? Meaning if I buy a car from you at close to 50K with TTL for a fully loaded 2SS/RS and my brother buys one from an honest dealer for roughly 39K with TTL is my car worth 11K more than his when I decide to sell????

2. Someone on the phone with summoner (in fact the GM at John L Sullivan Chevy) used the argument of the dealer installed options adding value to the vehicle whereas a "dealer markup" is just that a markup that doesn't add value. Well while that is true to a degree I cannot recall a buyer I had lined up to buy a vehicle of mine used or anywhere on Kelly Blue Book asking me if I had a clear bra, window tinting, paint protection, or a car cover... These 4 things totalled up to 4100 by JLS calculations. So how are these things adding value to my car if I cannot recoup at least some costs when I sell?

For example: I'll use my house as an example. I installed 15,000 dollars in hardwood floors in my house as well as granite countertops for 6,000. Well when I sell my house can sell for at least 21K more than the house next door with identical square footage and without hardwood floors and granite. That is ADDING VALUE. not paying 4100 more for supposed "options" that do not allow me to recieve a higher price when selling. Unless you have another explanation. Nobody that I know is going to pay me any extra for a 1500 dollar wax job I got on my camaro 4 years earlier...

3. Others that I know that have ordered vehicles from other dealerships (one was a Jeep) said that when the vehicle is ordered that the dealership is merely a middleman. Said that the jeep was ordered and built for John Q Doe for example from the factory. Not "this jeep was built for Bubba Gump Jeep" and then delivered and sold to John. He told me that financing was already approved for 6 months, order was taken, vehicle was built and vehicle was delivered to dealership for pickup. Price was determined before ordering and purchase contract was signed at the time of order. I think this way of doing business is obviously the way to go about ordering a camaro if you don't want to get screwed. Unfortunately most GM dealerships are not doing this in order to swindle the customers or apply high pressure tactics once vehicle arrives when the new "owner" is in a precarious position. Seems very "slimeball" to me considering the financial position GM is in.

For example: I'll use my house as an example. I installed 15,000 dollars in hardwood floors in my house as well as granite countertops for 6,000. Well when I sell my house can sell for at least 21K more than the house next door with identical square footage and without hardwood floors and granite. That is ADDING VALUE. not paying 4100 more for supposed "options" that do not allow me to recieve a higher price when selling. Unless you have another explanation. Nobody that I know is going to pay me any extra for a 1500 dollar wax job I got on my camaro 4 years earlier...
AMEN BROTHA!!
I laughed when he said added value... I pay >4 k for <1k worth of stuff... Which when resold you get pennies on the dollar? at the 1K price, so fractions of a penny on the 4k price, yeah okay I'll take it!!
Moron! If I was talking to him in person I would have bit#hed slapped him for being so ignorant.
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