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Old 12-11-2012, 08:50 AM   #26
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I don't have one and don't plan to buy one. If it was that important GM would have designed one into the car. The only people that will try to convince you that it's needed are the ones that are making the catch cans.

I have talked to a couple guys that bought the catch can, they both have V8's. One said he hasn't seen a drop of anything in his catch can, the other said he had a slight film of oil inside of the can. To costly and not necessary in my opinion.

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Old 12-11-2012, 08:57 AM   #27
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Absolutely needed on the V6, V8 not so much but can't hurt.

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Old 12-11-2012, 09:04 AM   #28
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I don't have one and don't plan to buy one. If it was that important GM would have designed one into the car. The only people that will try to convince you that it's needed are the ones that are making the catch cans.

I have talked to a couple guys that bought the catch can, they both have V8's. One said he hasn't seen a drop of anything in his catch can, the other said he had a slight film of oil inside of the can. To costly and not necessary in my opinion.

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I agree. Some have 'seen' benefits from them and some haven't. I can assure you your car will run 100k miles without a moments trouble without one, with proper maintenance granted. Probably further.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:09 AM   #29
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I've been wondering about this for a few weeks now too. My Dad and his friends (huge car guys) basically said the same thing as above, "If it was neccessary, GM would have put them on from the factory.". Why would a car company want their own cars ingesting oil and not do anything to prevent it? A couple weeks back, I even e-mailed one of the vendors on here asking for an Honest to God's truth answer on this topic. To this day...NO RESPONSE. Everybody has their own opinion I suppose. When I installed my intake, I inspected the throttle body and there was NO oil at all. Over Christmas, my Dad and I will be installing a Roto-Fab Intake on his Z. We'll check the throttle body for oil and I'll report if I find anything.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:17 AM   #30
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"If it was neccessary, GM would have put them on from the factory." We'll check the throttle body for oil and I'll report if I find anything.
Why would there be any oil on the throttle body? The PCV hose connects to the intake manifold AFTER the throttle body. Check your intake manifold instead.

And, let's see, are there any Camaros that come stock with a catch can...let's see...oh yes, there are.

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Old 12-11-2012, 09:19 AM   #31
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While i don't run one. They do have benefits. GM doesn't put one on however that is why during maintenance schedules they suggest their TB cleaning service.

Are they snake oil? No they aren't. Is it NEEDED? No they aren't. The vast majority will sell or trade in the car WAY before any slight issue might ever be seen. The LS3 & LLT have been around for a long time now without an influx of issues from not running a can.
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Why would there be any oil on the throttle body? The PCV hose connects to the intake manifold AFTER the throttle body. Check your intake manifold instead.

And, let's see, are there any Camaros that come stock with a catch can...let's see...oh yes, there are.

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From running over oiled intake filters

And from having oil in the manifold.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:22 AM   #33
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The V6 is one of the most technologically advanced engines Chevy has ever built, it's really a marvel.
Direct injection puts the fuel injectors right in the cylinder itself giving unbelievably fine control over fuel delivery.
The V8 is still "old" technology injecting fuel into the airstream that feeds the cylinder. Much less control, but still effective....
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:54 AM   #34
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Read these threads.....and yes, those not realizing what oil ingestion does can run their car for years and not be aware of the gradual degradation. And no, GM/Ford?Chrusler, etc. probably never will add the expense and another service procedure but the super cars (Maserati, Ferrari, etc.) as well as the Copo all have catchcans as it is performance and longevity for the goal.

Tons of real data, industry info, and automotive engineer data to read on the issues. If nothing else, the small cost for a GOOD functioning one....(most let as much through as they trap) the fuel savings alone pays for the can many times over (detonation from ANY oil ingestion no matter what type fuel delivery causes detonation and the knock sensors command the PCM to pull timing, thus less power is produced and less fuel economy) much less the long term effects. I have been buiulding and rebuilding race & performance engines as well as passenger cars for over 38 years.....if you saw the insides like I and many others do, you would never question the need to separate the oil before it is ingested.

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Old 12-11-2012, 10:22 AM   #35
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So...........

With all this chatter what is the verdit?

I just bought a 2013 2LT RS V6 and she has only little over 2K miles on her...should I purchase one of these catch cans? I do plan on owning the car for a long time. I think these V6 motors are awesome. The perfect blend of sporty HP and MPG on the market today.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:38 AM   #36
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With all this chatter what is the verdit?
You will never have a verdit, either for or against.
All you will ever get are "opinions" of what someone else has "read someone".

People will post up links to threads all day, both for and against.
But once again, those are just forum opinions.

The COPO Camaro has one, because it is a "Race Car" with a race built engine.
Plus it does not have to meet federal emission laws.

The average Camaro running around on the street probably does not need one, and will happily survive to over 150,000 miles with proper maintenance.
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Read these threads.....and yes, those not realizing what oil ingestion does can run their car for years and not be aware of the gradual degradation. And no, GM/Ford?Chrusler, etc. probably never will add the expense and another service procedure but the super cars (Maserati, Ferrari, etc.) as well as the Copo all have catchcans as it is performance and longevity for the goal.

Tons of real data, industry info, and automotive engineer data to read on the issues. If nothing else, the small cost for a GOOD functioning one....(most let as much through as they trap) the fuel savings alone pays for the can many times over (detonation from ANY oil ingestion no matter what type fuel delivery causes detonation and the knock sensors command the PCM to pull timing, thus less power is produced and less fuel economy) much less the long term effects. I have been buiulding and rebuilding race & performance engines as well as passenger cars for over 38 years.....if you saw the insides like I and many others do, you would never question the need to separate the oil before it is ingested.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216311

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68744
I'm not arguing in any way, shape or form, but when you're buying a $40k car...GM adding a $125 catch can at the factory would be a drop in the bucket.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:56 AM   #38
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GM adding a $125 catch can at the factory would be a drop in the bucket.
Well, they didn't. Question is, will you? Personally, i don't care, I just end up posting after reading so many 'my friend's dad who knows a LOT about engines...' statements.

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Old 12-11-2012, 11:02 AM   #39
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I'm not arguing in any way, shape or form, but when you're buying a $40k car...GM adding a $125 catch can at the factory would be a drop in the bucket.
If GM had included a $125 catch can on every 5th Gen Camaros built through the end of the 2011 calender year is would have cost them just over $29 million just for the part alone.
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Will this effect EPA/Smog requirments? I have no idea how to install one but it seems the general idea here is that it dosent hurt and I think everyone agrees that keeping the oil out would be good in the long term..

I own a 92 Camaro and did all the mech work on it myself. I've yet to mess with my new ride but can someone tell me how difficult/easy it is to install one of these catch cans? I imagine I'll need to remove it if I ever need to do a warrenty claim?

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Old 12-11-2012, 11:03 AM   #41
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Catch cans, type of oil to use, how often to change oil, seafoam is great/it sucks etc. - there will never be 100% agreement. Absorb the info & decide the best route for yourself.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:05 AM   #42
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I'm not arguing in any way, shape or form, but when you're buying a $40k car...GM adding a $125 catch can at the factory would be a drop in the bucket.

True but the average driver is too dumb and lazy to empty it.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:14 AM   #43
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if you make lots of wide open pulls, you should get one. if you only street drive, you dont have to get one but it wouldnt hurt.
i clean mine out at every oil change and before and after each track event. the guys that arent seeing any oil in their can are not driving them at WFO enough to build pressure to cause blowby.
those thinking gm has their best interest at heart, and would put everything the car could possibly need for every driver in, are not thinking rationally or are inexperienced(like we all were once). if your going to drive a passanger car thats built for the masses, you will have to do the things that make the car last in those conditions. drag race guys add a stall and trans tune. guys who road track work on the suspension.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:17 AM   #44
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I live in Cali.

Will this effect EPA/Smog requirments? Probably won't have any effect. It certainly wouldn't make it worse, and could make emissions cleaner, I don't know.

can someone tell me how difficult/easy it is to install Easy. Really easy.
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If you care about your engines performance as it ages you will run a catch can, if you do not care about its performance then no need to run a catch can.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:30 AM   #46
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Well, they didn't. Question is, will you? Personally, i don't care, I just end up posting after reading so many 'my friend's dad who knows a LOT about engines...' statements.

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Pretty argumentative aren't ya? I came in here looking for answers and to have polite conversation. Sorry I struck a nerve. There are others here that have said they're absolutely F*CKING worthless. Go jump their nuts instead. I never claimed my Dad or his friends were the next coming of John Force. All I said was they were "big car guys". Having owned and maintained just about every American Muscle since the 60's. Anyways...can we continue with the debate/information?
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:34 AM   #47
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If you care about your engines performance as it ages you will run a catch can, if you do not care about its performance then no need to run a catch can.
I don't see where a catch can is a performance item. Now if the Camaro has 200,000 miles on it and has never had the throttle body cleaned etc, then a catch can could have lessened some of that. But a catch can would in no way effect performance of a daily driver.
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If GM had included a $125 catch can on every 5th Gen Camaros built through the end of the 2011 calender year is would have cost them just over $29 million just for the part alone.
Ok, if it's so imperative, then why not include the catch can and omit something that is purely cosmetic to make up the difference? Just a thought.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:45 AM   #49
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Well I think most of these cars are considered street legal daily drivers so GM considers the cost vs. benefit ratio acceptable. Since it appears there is very little oil leakage the added expense is not justified to have a catch can install from the factory.

I think most of us here at Camaro5 are "hyper" sensitive about our cars performance and maintenance so we tend to error on the side of caution and install these "small but useful" add on parts.

Just my 2 cents...
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If GM had included a $125 catch can on every 5th Gen Camaros built through the end of the 2011 calender year is would have cost them just over $29 million just for the part alone.
$125 for an OCC is retail. there's no way GM would ever pay that much per unit if/when they included them on our cars. I'd say maybe $20 or near there. definitely not $125.

but as for my car? we put my Maggie 2300 on my car with only 300 miles. I could not believe how much oil was inside my intake with only 300 miles on the engine. that was reason alone for me to get a catch can.
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