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Old 01-15-2015, 06:00 PM   #1
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No seat/air bag light in the DIC.

So we spent some time looking in to how to trick the car into thinking the OE seats are in the car with the air bags, this is for guys that want to remove the OEM seats and go with racing seats, we think we got it only one more thing to do, and thats to remove the seat belt out of the car for guys that are going with a restraint like a 5 point harness.

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Old 01-15-2015, 06:09 PM   #2
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Old 01-15-2015, 06:10 PM   #3
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Old 01-15-2015, 06:29 PM   #4
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Would your solution also apply to guys who have the stock seats and want to swap into OEM Recaros?

This could get really interesting.
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Old 01-15-2015, 06:40 PM   #5
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Would your solution also apply to guys who have the stock seats and want to swap into OEM Recaros?

This could get really interesting.
With the Recaros they fit now, i know i did an install last week on a 2010 car, all we had to do was move the passenger sensor and bracket over to the Recaro seat, and change out the seat belt receiver.

Max 40min job.
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With the Recaros they fit now, i know i did an install last week on a 2010 car, all we had to do was move the passenger sensor and bracket over to the Recaro seat, and change out the seat belt receiver.



Max 40min job.

You're making it too easy to spend money. Mrs. Blur is not going to be happy.
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Old 01-15-2015, 07:27 PM   #7
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With the Recaros they fit now, i know i did an install last week on a 2010 car, all we had to do was move the passenger sensor and bracket over to the Recaro seat, and change out the seat belt receiver.

Max 40min job.
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:41 PM   #8
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:44 PM   #9
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In for update as well spit it out lol I'm annoyed already with my light and having to hit menu twice to see the mph instead of service airbag
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:39 AM   #10
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First test was a fail, new resisters and test 2 is today.
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:34 PM   #11
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Awsome I'm in to buy whatever's needed thank U
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Old 02-06-2015, 09:29 AM   #12
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Any progress Ofer?

I've made a modification to one of the systems on my car, and it wasn't entirely straightforward as the BCM tests the circuit on startup; I wouldn't rule out something like that going on with the airbag system.

This is something I've been meaning to look into, but just haven't felt like pulling my seat apart to see what's going on.


Are you trying this in Az or Cali? If in Cali, feel free to hit me up if you want another pair of eyes to help work it out...
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Old 02-08-2015, 01:26 PM   #13
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Test 2 and 3 did not work, so i have a new way to try will test this coming week.
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:50 PM   #15
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When you have this all figured out please send me a pm and I will gladly buy one for driver and passenger sides.
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Old 02-16-2015, 10:56 AM   #16
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Hard to believe no-one has come up with a solution for this in 5 years; must be pretty tricky...
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Old 02-24-2015, 01:12 PM   #17
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Sub, I have my front passenger seat removed.
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Old 02-24-2015, 02:20 PM   #18
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LPE had done this years ago on their drag car. I believe they used an 8ohm resister of some sort along those lines. I was going to do this until i found out about an insurance company denying a claim because of it. I dont know the outcome but i want to say it was a nasty lawsuit. It use to drive me crazy but i learned to live with it. Not worth the risk for anyone using their car as street with occasional track.

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Not worth the risk for anyone using their car as street with occasional track.
Tampering with the air bag system on any street driven vehicle is not even legal by federal standards. I did some research a few years ago and found out you need to get approved by the feds to modify the system. I popped my side curtains on the track and was looking for a way to disable them after I replaced everything. There was a form to fill out, if for example you were handicapped and the steering wheel air bag interfered with your ability to drive the vehicle.

So some will say so what, I'll never get caught. You're probably right. But here's the catch. Let's say you street drive your car and take a buddy in your car and get in an accident. He gets hurts, air bag fails to discharge. Insurance company will investigate why the bags didn't discharge. Now your found negligent, even if the accident was another car's fault. Your buddy now sues you and the other car.

I've experienced getting sued by a "friend" when we car pooled to work. A kid made a left in front of us and caused us to hit a ditch and put the car on its side. He dislocated his shoulder. Later I find out his lawyer is coming after me and my insurance trying to claim I had bad brakes, the car was old, etc. It was all BS and a money grab. I even had to go to court over it. I don't recall if we settled or it got dropped, but it was a hassle and pretty much ended our friendship. The accident was the kids fault.

So it's not whether or not you would get sued, but whether you are found negligent. Today's society is sue crazy.
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Do not modify the airbag system, especially on a street car. That's a terrible idea.
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Tampering with the air bag system on any street driven vehicle is not even legal by federal standards. I did some research a few years ago and found out you need to get approved by the feds to modify the system. I popped my side curtains on the track and was looking for a way to disable them after I replaced everything. There was a form to fill out, if for example you were handicapped and the steering wheel air bag interfered with your ability to drive the vehicle.

So some will say so what, I'll never get caught. You're probably right. But here's the catch. Let's say you street drive your car and take a buddy in your car and get in an accident. He gets hurts, air bag fails to discharge. Insurance company will investigate why the bags didn't discharge. Now your found negligent, even if the accident was another car's fault. Your buddy now sues you and the other car.

I've experienced getting sued by a "friend" when we car pooled to work. A kid made a left in front of us and caused us to hit a ditch and put the car on its side. He dislocated his shoulder. Later I find out his lawyer is coming after me and my insurance trying to claim I had bad brakes, the car was old, etc. It was all BS and a money grab. I even had to go to court over it. I don't recall if we settled or it got dropped, but it was a hassle and pretty much ended our friendship. The accident was the kids fault.

So it's not whether or not you would get sued, but whether you are found negligent. Today's society is sue crazy.
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Do not modify the airbag system, especially on a street car. That's a terrible idea.
I wouldn't call removing a seat modifying an airbag, but since there is an airbag built into the seat, I guess you could refer to it as that. I ended up reinstalling my passenger seat a couple days later, it's a 5 min job, but I didn't even consider the possibility of violating federal laws. I probably won't be doing that again.
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Old 03-03-2015, 06:59 PM   #22
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Good points, thanks for sharing.



I wouldn't call removing a seat modifying an airbag, but since there is an airbag built into the seat, I guess you could refer to it as that. I ended up reinstalling my passenger seat a couple days later, it's a 5 min job, but I didn't even consider the possibility of violating federal laws. I probably won't be doing that again.
Just saw an interesting segment on MotorWeek on Velocity. They were interviewing two professional accident investigators. They were talking about the data recorders in cars used to collect accident information, and then they flash a document from the NTHSA about the EDR.

I googled "Can I remove my EDR?" and found the link to the PDF. An interesting read. So it seems as an owner of the vehicle it is not "illegal" to modify or remove the air bag system, but a dealer or shop cannot do it. NTHSA "recommends" against it.

The document also discusses who can access the data from a crash, and how it can be used against you. So my earlier point about getting into a crash with a passenger, regardless who is at fault, you can easily be found out if you have disabled air bags. Just more to think about.

I found the data that is collected interesting. That's the exact data GM pulled from my car when my air bags went off, which makes total sense. Raytheon was the company that sent an engineer out to read the black box.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...87269000,d.eXY
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