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Old 12-14-2012, 02:57 PM   #103
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Not even close. No bodywork shared whatsoever between the GMT-900s and K2XXs.
I'm fairly certain that he meant aesthetically, which what most people mean when talking about "looking the same." I'm in that same camp; this generation is a refinement of the older.
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THIS IS A BETTER SHOT OF THE GMC WITHOUT ALL THAT CHROME.
NOW THIS IS PRETTY SHARP!!!!

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Old 12-14-2012, 04:59 PM   #105
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NOW THIS IS PRETTY SHARP!!!!

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Old 12-14-2012, 05:16 PM   #106
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Am I the only one that finds it funny that the main complaint about the international Colorado is that its too rounded & car-like. Then, when GM makes the new Silverado extra blocky & more truck-like ... people still don't like it.
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:19 PM   #107
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Am I the only one that finds it funny that the main complaint about the international Colorado is that its too rounded & car-like. Then, when GM makes the new Silverado extra blocky & more truck-like ... people still don't like it.
So true.
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:24 PM   #108
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Am I the only one that finds it funny that the main complaint about the international Colorado is that its too rounded & car-like. Then, when GM makes the new Silverado extra blocky & more truck-like ... people still don't like it.
Not a superfan of the design, but I don't hate the silverado lol. Think it looks just fine...just similar to what we have seen before. But I don't care for much of the Colorado.
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:51 PM   #109
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Zabo, I've told you why GMC exists a billion times now.

PROFIT.
Sure but profit from what exactly? You should expand on that so people can see why.
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I've expanded on that a billion times as well.

The trucks share underpinnings and powertrains. All you need to do is make some slight exterior changes between the two and create different packaging and options. Position one brand slightly upmarket of the other and voila, profit by the boatloads.
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:01 PM   #111
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I've expanded on that a billion times as well.

The trucks share underpinnings and powertrains. All you need to do is make some slight exterior changes between the two and create different packaging and options. Position one brand slightly upmarket of the other and voila, profit by the boatloads.
Let's assume that GMC went away. What is the percentage of GMC owners (myself included) that you believe will NOT buy a Chevrolet product that's in the same market segment? Assuming the same retention rates of course....
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Let's assume that GMC went away. What is the percentage of GMC owners (myself included) that you believe will NOT buy a Chevrolet product that's in the same market segment? Assuming the same retention rates of course....
Depends. A good number would probably have no problem switching to Chevrolet. But you do run the risk that many may go to other brands, a la the Oldsmobile experiment in the early 2000s.

GM seems to have mostly gotten away with it for Pontiac, but loyalty in the truck market is pretty high. It comes down to this: How many are loyal to GM compared to how many are loyal to an individual brand?
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:25 PM   #113
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I'm on my second crewcab LTZ the first one had the vortecmax and was really good,it got messed up and I got one with the 5.3 and I have some complaints about it but I still like it,I have thought seriously about trading for a Raptor but wanted to see the new trucks first and I think I would switch to GMC the next time around but I would like to see something Raptor like from GMC,and I'm wondering if Ford will keep producing the Raptor for 2014-15 as well as I would only consider trucks from GMC or Ford.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:10 PM   #114
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Anyone seen any real pictures of the regular cab yet?



Fen, have you seen/found any Regular Cab (non-camo'd) pics?

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Old 12-14-2012, 08:24 PM   #115
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Newp. GM's only shown Extended and Crew Cabs.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:42 PM   #116
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i wonder if there's a real need for GMC. i know the argument was to have them paired with Buick dealers (and pontiac when they were around)
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:56 PM   #117
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Newp. GM's only shown Extended and Crew Cabs.
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If you DO...ShnO 'n I (at a minimum) are a-waitin'...kinda hard to tell on the one above, what with the Trailer Mirrors and the flappin' camo. Right color, though...
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Depends. A good number would probably have no problem switching to Chevrolet. But you do run the risk that many may go to other brands, a la the Oldsmobile experiment in the early 2000s.
Sad but true: There are GMC owners who would rather drive a Ford or Ram than a Silverado...!!

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GM seems to have mostly gotten away with it for Pontiac, but loyalty in the truck market is pretty high. It comes down to this: How many are loyal to GM compared to how many are loyal to an individual brand?
Pontiac's loss, in Canada, is the primary reason GM, several months this year, has been 3rd in Monthly sales. And in Canada, in the past, GMC Sierra out-Retailed Silverado...but not since the Pontiac stores disappeared end of '09.

Current-Gen GMT 900s have a slight-but-noticeable difference in front-end appearance...for a reason. The Silverado is "sleeker" (slimmer-wider through the grille), the Sierra more "squared-off". Appeals to two different potential buyers, broadening sales. Add in the unmatched Denali Packages, and suddenly you have an "uptown" truck...with an "uptown" margin.

The next-Gens seem to follow this, although the appearance differences are less pronounced at a glance. Can't wait to see 'em "in the flesh"...again...
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Depends. A good number would probably have no problem switching to Chevrolet. But you do run the risk that many may go to other brands, a la the Oldsmobile experiment in the early 2000s.

GM seems to have mostly gotten away with it for Pontiac, but loyalty in the truck market is pretty high. It comes down to this: How many are loyal to GM compared to how many are loyal to an individual brand?
Pontiac retention is still under 50% though (I think it was actually under 40 but I'm not positive). Saturn is on the order of about 25%. Hummer was somewhere in the middle, no clue on Olds. I'd say that GM would consider itself lucky if they retained more than half of GMC owners if they killed the brand, probably more like 1 in 3. If true, that would be in the neighbourhood of a quarter million lost sales for the company. A quarter million highly profitable sales.
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