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Old 12-22-2012, 02:28 PM   #401
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I don't know. I can see loss of value. I can see spending $45 grand on the Z/28 and then another -$3500? on the 1LE.

The ZL1 is supposed to practically be a dragster, and it doesn't seem to dragst as well as the GT500.
It's engineered to be a best all-around car, that excels on a road course more than anything...Be careful not to confuse it's purpose compared to that engine with wheels, the GT500.

I've got to say, I'm enjoying reading the response to this rumor/possibility. Haven't seen a thread like this since...oh, 2009!
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It's engineered to be a best all-around car, that excels on a road course more than anything...Be careful not to confuse it's purpose compared to that engine with wheels, the GT500.
That engine with wheels still laps quicker than the ZL1 on some tracks, even with it's archaic suspension and smaller contact patch

This might be just the thing I was looking for, and might be the reason I get rid of my GT. This is very exciting.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:55 PM   #403
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That engine with wheels still laps quicker than the ZL1 on some tracks, even with it's archaic suspension and smaller contact patch
If you buy all the extras...and even then, once per session on some tracks hardly accounts for much.

But then...numbers don't even mean a ton if the driving experience is..."difficult". And that's where Chevy might once again, capitalize on their work with the 5th-gen.

IMO...the perfect place for an LS7 is in a 1LE-equipped 1SS. Only discussing performance for now...naming later. It's a fantastic way of adding nearly 80 more hp and torque, a higher, race-happy rev limit, without effecting the weight balance, and perfect driving dynamics of the 1LE!

Can't wait to see how the accurate/completed VIN card looks! Or better yet...this mystery Camaro with an LS7 in person!
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If you buy all the extras...and even then, once per session on some tracks hardly accounts for much.
On one track they had an issue with brakes, and that was just one publication. Coincidence that it was the only review with a pro behind the wheel that made that happen? Maybe, but I'd think the LSA would heat soak much sooner than the GT500's brakes would give up the ghost.

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But then...numbers don't even mean a ton if the driving experience is..."difficult". And that's where Chevy might once again, capitalize on their work with the 5th-gen.
It's funny how many people on this very forum put down the GT-R for being easy to drive, and yet put down the GT500 for being "difficult"

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IMO...the perfect place for an LS7 is in a 1LE-equipped 1SS. Only discussing performance for now...naming later. It's a fantastic way of adding nearly 80 more hp and torque, a higher, race-happy rev limit, without effecting the weight balance, and perfect driving dynamics of the 1LE!
You read my mind. I'm already looking at race seats so I can take the stockers out. One thing I never liked about the S197 platform is the lack of stiffness, and you can definitely feel it on the track. I'm also not a serious enough of a road racer to weld in triangular braces all over the place. I think with the stiffer Zeta chassis, combined with the LS7 along with the 1LE, especially if they price is sub 50k, it would be the new sports car bargain of the century. Looking at the fact the 1LE is already an amazing performer, with the additional RPM of the LS7 and the extra power it will be even better. It will make my secret love affair with the Boss officially over. Plus, I've been wanting to get back in a Z28 for 10 years now.

P.S. Your ZL1 looks amazing. I love that pic. The ZL1 and the new GT500 have officially made me stop modding my car. It's futile, because no matter what I do, I won't have the capabilities of the ZL1 around the track combined with the every day ride comfort, and I won't be able to make the power the GT500 makes, at least not reliably, and not for a cost efficent price.
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Old 12-22-2012, 04:01 PM   #405
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On one track they had an issue with brakes, and that was just one publication. Coincidence that it was the only review with a pro behind the wheel that made that happen? Maybe, but I'd think the LSA would heat soak much sooner than the GT500's brakes would give up the ghost.

It's funny how many people on this very forum put down the GT-R for being easy to drive, and yet put down the GT500 for being "difficult"
Because it is by all accounts I've read! And if you don't opt for the extra goodies, forgettaboutit!! I bought the ZL1 for many reasons, one of them was the ability to be a comfortable daily driver. I consider that to be an advantage to its credit.

And I've never seen a proven incidence of the ZL1 running out of steam due to heat soak. Since it's not a professionally competitive car - it's a street car - what matters is that it can maintain performance for a track day, right?...I can vouch...first-hand...that it can. Absolutely, positively.

But...this isn't a thread about the ZL1 :(...so if you'd like to continue this discussion...I'd be happy to in PMs.


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You read my mind. I'm already looking at race seats so I can take the stockers out. One thing I never liked about the S197 platform is the lack of stiffness, and you can definitely feel it on the track. I'm also not a serious enough of a road racer to weld in triangular braces all over the place. I think with the stiffer Zeta chassis, combined with the LS7 along with the 1LE, especially if they price is sub 50k, it would be the new sports car bargain of the century. Looking at the fact the 1LE is already an amazing performer, with the additional RPM of the LS7 and the extra power it will be even better. It will make my secret love affair with the Boss officially over. Plus, I've been wanting to get back in a Z28 for 10 years now.
The 1LE was a BLAST to drive around Gingerman...I can only imagine what it'd have been like with the LS7.

I don't have a good guess what price might be...a car like this...they could easily over-inflate the price just because they can. Or...they might not...but what's true is that the LS7 is more expensive than the LSA to build, and more than double the cost of the LS3. So this isn't going to be a cheap car...

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P.S. Your ZL1 looks amazing. I love that pic. The ZL1 and the new GT500 have officially made me stop modding my car. It's futile, because no matter what I do, I won't have the capabilities of the ZL1 around the track combined with the every day ride comfort, and I won't be able to make the power the GT500 makes, at least not reliably, and not for a cost efficent price.
But you can come close!

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Old 12-22-2012, 04:57 PM   #406
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Old 12-22-2012, 05:20 PM   #407
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Here is my best guess on price.

Entry price for 1LE: $37,000 (1SS 1LE no other options).
LS3 crate engine: $7,646 (normal retail price per GMPP site)
LS7 crate engine: $16,875 (normal retail price per GMPP site)
LS3 crate engine discounted price: $6,200
LS7 crate engine discounted price: $13,578

37,000-7646= 29,354+16,875= $46,224

37,000-6,200= 30,800+13,578= $44,378

I would predict that a Z28 Camaro would be a 1LE with the LS7 and the ZL1s brakes. I think GM can do this for $45,000 which would be a good price for a car like that with its performance. This Z28 Camaro should be right up on the ZL1 Camaro, the ZL1 Camaro is 7 pounds per horsepower and a est. 3,900 pound Z28 Camaro would be 7.7 pounds per horsepower. However the Z28 should handle and brake better then the ZL1 by virtue of being lighter.
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:01 PM   #408
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Since there's no new trim level, I can only guess this can somehow be added on to an SS as a 1LE? Maybe this is a 2LE or Z28? It seems very odd to work a new engine into a package. I'm very skeptical . . .
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:38 PM   #409
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so i was thinking

why now??? the desire for a 5th gen z28 has been here since the concept as far as i know. i mean beating the competition (boss) is pretty much done with the 1le. so is it just cuz we want one or is it something else??

could the blue oval boys be cooking up a surprise for the end of this gen mustang that gm is reacting to with rumors of a 427 camaro. i dunno just a thought what say yall
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Could the z28 option be offered similar to the RS on an SS?
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:45 PM   #411
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Here is my best guess on price.

Entry price for 1LE: $37,000 (1SS 1LE no other options).
LS3 crate engine: $7,646 (normal retail price per GMPP site)
LS7 crate engine: $16,875 (normal retail price per GMPP site)
LS3 crate engine discounted price: $6,200
LS7 crate engine discounted price: $13,578

37,000-7646= 29,354+16,875= $46,224

37,000-6,200= 30,800+13,578= $44,378

I would predict that a Z28 Camaro would be a 1LE with the LS7 and the ZL1s brakes. I think GM can do this for $45,000 which would be a good price for a car like that with its performance. This Z28 Camaro should be right up on the ZL1 Camaro, the ZL1 Camaro is 7 pounds per horsepower and a est. 3,900 pound Z28 Camaro would be 7.7 pounds per horsepower. However the Z28 should handle and brake better then the ZL1 by virtue of being lighter.
I'm gonna guess they'll price it right at 50k with the 1LE options and some more goodies, right in line with what a Boss 302 Laguna Seca is priced at now. This thing is gonna rock. Even the guys on the Mustang forum are excited about it lol
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:59 PM   #412
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I'm gonna guess they'll price it right at 50k with the 1LE options and some more goodies, right in line with what a Boss 302 Laguna Seca is priced at now. This thing is gonna rock. Even the guys on the Mustang forum are excited about it lol
Gotta love car guys!!
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Gotta love car guys!!
Ditto, I was over on the mustang forum and they too would like to see a Z28!!
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Even the guys on the Mustang forum are excited about it lol


just went looking through few of them. lots of hate with some love here and there.

side note FWIW apparently IS-F owners seem interested in this too lots of hate for the zl1 on their forums too
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I've considered this before, I would estimate 0-60 4.2, 1/4 12.2.
+1 About the same as a bolton, lightly cammed LS3.
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i would seriously consider the ls7 before the lsa.
No considering for me,I'm getting one!
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I just received a note from our friends on the Camaro team.

They'd like everyone to know that this VIN card is not accurate, or complete. It's an early draft that was never meant to be used for anything but development of the 2014 VIN sequence. To quote a portion of the message:

"It is not the final document, as it does not include a complete or accurate list of models or content. As you can imagine, the VIN card requires a tremendous amount of collaboration to verify the production information for each model across all four GM brands sold worldwide.

Rest assured, when we finalize the 2014 VIN card, it will be complete and factually accurate."


So that adds one more piece of information to chew on and what this all means, if anything....
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just went looking through few of them. lots of hate with some love here and there.
Yeah there is a few douche bags, but the Mustang forums I visit are pretty good, and the "OMG FORD HAS THE NICEST NUTS I CAN SWING OFF OF" crowd tends to completely stay away from any Camaro threads, save for one or two members...one of which joined here not too long ago in an effort to pretty much just stir the pot. All the know how guys are genuinely excited about this, and honestly, gotta be a pretty ignorant bag of ass to think that an LS7 in a Camaro is not just bad ass.
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figure its about time for the boss 351 and 429 rumors to flare up
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Hmm,never thought of that
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Maybe its not a z/28 maybe ita and ss 427..... And why the obsession with the z/28 wasn't it under the ss in the 4gen era??
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