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Old 12-21-2012, 04:30 PM   #1
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Comprehensive weight savings list for the V6 (LLT)

I'm creating this thread for a couple of reasons. First, I'm getting into auto cross and I've pretty much maxed out my power, so the next thing to do is reduce weight and up my suspension. Second I've seen a lot of people (with and without V6's) post about what they can do for weight savings. However there is no comprehensive list and what's worse is that the response people give is "Oh you can save about X-Y weight with this mod." A lot of people's responses are estimates and it's becoming increasingly difficult to get concrete information.

I am just now starting to look into the various weight of pieces in our car and I will update as I find them. Anyone is free to contribute to this and I will update this post. However please reference your source, other wise this is just another thread based of hear-say and speculation.

OEM Weight

Exhaust
Mufflers (pair) - 48 lbs
Headers (pair) - 40 lbs

RS OEM Wheel Weight (per wheel)
Front - 30.3 lbs
Rear - 32 lbs


RS OEM Tire Weight (per tire)
Front - 32 lbs
Rear - 36 lbs

OEM Brake Weight (per wheel)
V6 Front Rotor - 22.0 lbs
V6 Rear Rotor - 17.3 lbs
SS Front Brake Rotor - 25.4 lbs
SS Rear Brake Rotor - 24 lbs
SS Front Caliper - 11.4 lbs
SS Rear Caliper - 7.4 lbs


Seat Weight
2LT Front Drivers Seat - 54.6
2LT Front Pass. seat - 44 lbs
Rear Seat Bottom - 10.2 lbs
Rear Seat Back - 28 lbs

Other
RS Headlights 20 lbs (10 lbs per)
Spare wheel & tire - 40 lbs
Jack & lug wrench - 8 lbs
Battery - 45 lbs
A/C EVAPORATOR CORE ASSY. - 13.4 lbs
A/C COMPRESSOR - 13.2 lbs
A/C CONDENSER - 6.4 lbs
A/C-HEAT BLOWER MOTOR ASSY - 4.2 lbs
A/C LINES AND DUCTING - 7.6 lbs
A/C FIREWALL COVER - 3.6 lbs
DRIVERS AIR BAG - 1.6 lbs
PASSENGER AIR BAG -5.4 lbs
SIDE AIR BAG (EACH) - 3.2 lbs
FIREWALL INSULATION - 2.8 lbs
FLOOR INSULATION - 12 lbs
TRUNK CARPET AND WELL COVER 15.2 lbs
TRUNK-LID STRUTS (PAIR) - 1 lbs
FRONT BUMPER - 14.6 lbs
REAR BUMPER - 26.4 lbs
RADIO - 4 lbs
DOOR SPEAKERS (PAIR) - 3.6 lbs
FLOOR MATS (FRONT PAIR) - 4.8 lbs
CENTER CONSOLE - 8.2 lbs
EMERGENCY BRAKE LEVER W/CABLES - 6.2 lbs
FRONT SEAT BELTS (PAIR) - 6 lbs
REAR SEAT BELTS (PAIR) - 3.6 lbs
HOOD - 25.3 lbs
HOOD INSULATION - 1.2 lbs
HORNS (PAIR) - 1.4 lbs
WIPER ASSEMBLY W/MOTOR - 8.6 lbs
WINDSHIELD COWL PLASTIC - 3.6 lbs
SS DRIVESHAFT 6 SPEED MANUAL - 24 lbs
FUEL TANK SHIELD - 2.8 lbs
DRIVE SHAFT HEAT SHIELD - .8 lbs
SS TOCK AIR BOX - 7 lbs
V6 Engine Cover - 2.5 lbs
Washer Bottle (Empty/full) - 2 lbs / 12 lbs




Aftermarket Weight

Exhaust
MRT V2 (pair) - 19 lbs
OBX Headers (pair) - 24 lbs
BBK Headers (pair) - 21.67 lbs
BBK HFC (pair) - 6.71


Aftermarket Wheel Weight (per wheel)
TSW Nurburgring 20x9 - 24 lbs
TSW Nurburgring 20x10 - 24.5 lbs

Aftermarket Tire Weight (per tire)
255/35ZR20 Hankook Ventus V12s - 27 lbs
285/30ZR20 Hankook Ventus V12s - 31 lbs
275/40/20 General G-max tires 275/40/20 - 30 lbs

Brake Weight
R1 Concept Rotors V6 (front) - 20.8 lbs (per rotor)
R1 Concept Rotors V6 (rear) - 15.6 lbs (per rotor)



SOURCES
-OEM Muffler weight thanks to scrming, page 1 post 1
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ght=mrt+weight
-OEM wheel and tire weight and TSW wheel weight thanks to Beauwulf, page 2 post #48
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=123746&page=2
-Large List of things thanks to BMR guy, page 1 post 1
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ight+reduction
-General G-max tires, Engine Cover and Wash Bottle weight thanks to kjkjr27, this thread post #3
-Stock mufflers & headers, OBX Headers, MRT V2 muffler weight thanks to rtcat600man, this thread post # 16
-Spare wheel & tire, jack, lug wrench and stock battery weight thanks to camaro2lt, this thread post # 19
-RS Headlights thanks to camaro2lt, this thread post # 47
-Brake Rotor weight thanks to rtcat600man, this thread post # 53
-BBK Header & HFC weight thanks to kjkjr27, this thread post # 78

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Old 12-21-2012, 04:58 PM   #2
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So thanks to the post that BMR did with the weight of A LOT of things on their SS, it gives us a great idea. However I still need a solid source with the weight of the stock exhaust (headers, cats, mufflers, etc). Also aftermarket exhaust weight would be good to know.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:02 PM   #3
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Awesome I've been "weighting" for something like this for the v6!

I know the engine cover is 2.5lbs lol and the stock washer bottle is 2lbs empty

Source: Took them off myself and weighed them

Also I have General G-max tires 275/40/20 and those weigh 30lbs each
source: http://www.mavistire.com/ProductCart...s.asp?id=29624
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:05 PM   #4
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Nice Guide! I know there was a thread just like this, but for the camaro in general (not v6 specific). Looks good and thanks for the time it took to post this!
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:35 PM   #5
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Stock Washer bottle is about 15 pounds filled up
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Great resource! Thanks for taking the time Baylor.
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I'm thinking that RTcat600man will have some good info for you.

I'd love the know the weights of various tires so I can maybe lose a few lbs of rotating mass that way in the future. I hear the General-Tire GMax tires are good performers for a good price, but I wonder what they weigh? I believe RTcat is running those as well.
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:44 PM   #8
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I'm thinking that RTcat600man will have some good info for you.

I'd love the know the weights of various tires so I can maybe lose a few lbs of rotating mass that way in the future. I hear the General-Tire GMax tires are good performers for a good price, but I wonder what they weigh? I believe RTcat is running those as well.
I updated my original post and added the weights of the general gmax tires. I too am running them. The 275/40/20 each weigh 30lbs.
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I updated my original post and added the weights of the general gmax tires. I too am running them. The 275/40/20 each weigh 30lbs.
Yeah, I just saw that...that is excellent savings, at least compared to the 36lbs of the stock rear tires.

I'd like to run 20x9s all around when/if I get a new set of rims for next summer, and hopefully the rims will weigh a tad less.
Could lose a 3 - 4 lbs each of rotating mass in the fronts and possibly 6 - 8 or more lbs per side in the rear. Thats good stuff!
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I'm thinking that RTcat600man will have some good info for you.

I'd love the know the weights of various tires so I can maybe lose a few lbs of rotating mass that way in the future. I hear the General-Tire GMax tires are good performers for a good price, but I wonder what they weigh? I believe RTcat is running those as well.
Tire rack gives the weight of most tires. That is what I used great resource.
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Tire rack gives the weight of most tires. That is what I used great resource.
Yep after I posted that I went and looked there. But by the time I got back here to update it was already posted lol
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I've been looking into the TSW Nurburgrings and the Forgestar F14s to replace my steel heritage wheels, but if you're doing autocross I would imagine your best bet is to do with wheels smaller than 20".

Even Pedders went with 19's on their build:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90270

Anyone have solid numbers on how much the 18" Steel Heritage Wheels on the LS weigh? 18" TSW's and Forgestars are about 18.5 lbs . . . which is crazy light.
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I've been looking into the TSW Nurburgrings and the Forgestar F14s to replace my steel heritage wheels, but if you're doing autocross I would imagine your best bet is to do with wheels smaller than 20".

Even Pedders went with 19's on their build:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90270

Anyone have solid numbers on how much the 18" Steel Heritage Wheels on the LS weigh? 18" TSW's and Forgestars are about 18.5 lbs . . . which is crazy light.

If you go to the wiki section they list all the weights of the different wheels/tires
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Definitely go smaller than 20s. It's not just the weight of the wheel but the larger diameter is harder to start and stop. Try to find 18s. And also get a shorter sidewall tire. That will get you slightly better gearing, less tire weight and get the car a little bit lower. And don't forget that a 18" tire is less expensive. Guys that are serious about autoxing will put the smallest diameter wheel that will fit over their brake rotors to save money on tires.
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If you go to the wiki section they list all the weights of the different wheels/tires
Thanks! Yeah going from 32.9 lbs per wheel to 18.5 lbs per wheel should yield some noticeable performance gains I would think!
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I'm thinking that RTcat600man will have some good info for you.

I'd love the know the weights of various tires so I can maybe lose a few lbs of rotating mass that way in the future. I hear the General-Tire GMax tires are good performers for a good price, but I wonder what they weigh? I believe RTcat is running those as well.

Thanks for the invite...........LOL.

Just catching up to this thread.

Here is all my weights that I know of from my own experience.


MRT 2.0 Axle Back 9.5
Stock 25.5
savings 16
Total both sides 32


OBX Headers 12
Stock 20
savings 8
Total both sides 16


Total weight savings for exhaust 46



Wheel and Tire weight savigs over the stock 19's with 245/50/19



TSW Nurburgring 20 X 9 & General G-MAX - AS-03 (275/40/20) 5 lbs each 20 lbs total



front seat from a 2LT trim with leather and electric can save ......aprox. 48 lbs.
rear seat bottom is another 12 lbs.
rear seat back is another 18 lbs
for a total seat removal of 78 lbs.......
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Thanks for the input guys. Will update tomorrow when I'm home. Problem with going smaller is clearing the brembos, and I might be upgrading to 6 piston fronts. We'll see.

Keep the info coming!

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Thanks for the input guys. Will update tomorrow when I'm home. Problem with going smaller is clearing the brembos, and I might be upgrading to 6 piston fronts. We'll see.

Keep the info coming!

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Hey jw since we are talking about weight here, do you know how much weight was gained when you did the brembo upgrade? I assume the brembos weigh more? and so do the rotors?
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weighted some things

stock spare tire-40lbs
stock jack&lug nut wrench-8lbs
stock battery-45lbs
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Not a v6 owner but, concentrating on unsprrung weight and rotating mass reductions. For every one pound is worth 10 on other parts of the car.
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Not a v6 owner but, concentrating on unsprrung weight and rotating mass reductions. For every one pound is worth 10 on other parts of the car.
That's what I was thinking, just by going with 18" Forgestar F14's or TSW Nurburgring that would be 14.4 pounds per wheel, so 57.6 pounds total. That would be like shaving 576 pounds off!?!?!

What would that feel like, HP-wise?

You'd get a little more with a shorter tire vs. the stock tires too.
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Hey jw since we are talking about weight here, do you know how much weight was gained when you did the brembo upgrade? I assume the brembos weigh more? and so do the rotors?
I have the weight of the brakes for the SS on the list. However I do not know the weight for the V6 brakes :(





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weighted some things

stock spare tire-40lbs
stock jack&lug nut wrench-8lbs
stock battery-45lbs

Thanks! Will update tomorrow.




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That's what I was thinking, just by going with 18" Forgestar F14's or TSW Nurburgring that would be 14.4 pounds per wheel, so 57.6 pounds total. That would be like shaving 576 pounds off!?!?!

What would that feel like, HP-wise?

You'd get a little more with a shorter tire vs. the stock tires too.
I've lost a lil over 40 lbs in my wheel / tire set up. It wasn't a huge gain in performance, however acceleration and responsiveness definitely increased.

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Here is a build that did many weight reduction things. Read thru his build for more ideas.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...doc+blue+angel

Then check out this thread, he got his 5th gen down to 3475 lbs with roll cage. Look at post # 40 & 42.

Good Luck, keep us updated on what you do for your weight reduction.
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A diet is the cheapest most effective way to run lower ET's in the 1/4 mile. every 100# is a tenth on average and the battery swap to a braile or other lightwieght unit is app 40# savings alone.

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