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Old 12-22-2012, 09:08 PM   #1
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Whipple setup lost power & leaking water

Hey Guy's, just went out for a hard run to show a friend the performance, when car has lost power won't rev & brought up a misfire DTC, when parked up it's leaking water now from back of the engine somewhere near the oil filter but more to the middle, haven't had chance to get it up in the air yet to see properly. Also exhaust was alot quieter than usual with some rattling coming from exhaust I think & was extra hotter than usual. Any idea's from anyone who has experienced this before with whipple SC.

My guess is either, high flow catts have blocked up & now I have blown head gasket maybe, or Whipple intercooler is leaking into cylinders.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:40 PM   #2
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Did you check the oil to see if you had water in it?
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:37 PM   #3
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Did you check the oil to see if you had water in it?
Yes checked that & all good, no color change or rise in level.
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:44 PM   #4
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You didn't throw the belt did u?
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:43 PM   #5
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You didn't throw the belt did u?
Nope, belt looks still in good condition, thought it may have been slipping to start with until I checked it. It will free rev up to 6000rpm but when I load engine it won't go above 4500rpm & does not sound pretty, but still idles & drives normally when cruising which makes me think 1 of the catts has clogged up which has caused to much heat & pressure causing head gasket to give. Friends got a Radiator pressure tester so trying that tomorrow first.
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Old 12-23-2012, 07:56 AM   #6
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Do your basics first, check engine coolant level, check SC coolant level, pressure test both systems then start diagnosing from there, also what was the misfire code? P0300 is random misfire, P030X (X) represents the cylinder that is misfiring. Let us know what you find
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Old 12-23-2012, 08:00 AM   #7
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Could have melted and spark plug.
If a cat was plugged you would have reduced engine power mode.
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Old 12-23-2012, 08:14 AM   #8
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The symptoms you describe are exactly what I had when my cats blocked except the leaking says more going on. If the cats blocked and you pushed it hard the added boost (pressure) possibly blew a head gasket. I hope not worse than that. Good luck and let us know what you find.
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Old 12-23-2012, 08:17 AM   #9
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Could have melted and spark plug.
If a cat was plugged you would have reduced engine power mode.
My cats totally plugged up and I didn't get any light or reduced power mode.

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Old 12-23-2012, 02:43 PM   #10
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Boost leak? Check all the connections to see if anything is loose. I would think the manifold intercooler would run water directly into the intake runners. Did you check the supercharger itself and the intercooler-heat exchanger hoses?
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Old 12-23-2012, 08:09 PM   #11
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Mine went right into limp mode after the cats melted.
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:34 PM   #12
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I have sorted it now, the catts are toast! only in car for three months & completely blocked, Ive gutted them now. The water leaks may have been a coincidence, coming off the oil cooler, so have taken that off & blocked off water, no water leaks now. Power seems to be restored, will check plugs later, having a beer now thank f*^k, feel more relaxed. I will post pics later of catts, really disappointed paid good money for crap!
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:47 PM   #13
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These are what they look like, when removed, I will be talking to manufacturer bout this, if no joy I maybe bad mouthing them till sorted. Really pissed bout quality, If no good for supercharging this should be stated.
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Old 12-24-2012, 12:02 AM   #14
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Glad you found the problem. I went to ARH high flow cats and they have held up perfectly.
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I've run ARH cats since adding the SC but I'm still paranoid about this happening. At least it seems you found the problem before causing major damage. Good catch!
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:24 AM   #16
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Easily that is not the fault of the cat manufacturer. Blowers are not cat friendly and a rich tune can cause their quick demise.

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Old 12-24-2012, 12:27 PM   #17
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Easily that is not the fault of the cat manufacturer. Blowers are not cat friendly and a rich tune can cause their quick demise.

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So I have found out now! Manufacturer should still state this fact, so I wouldn't have wasted my money for 18" of expensive pipe, like so many other people on this forum talking bout it now.
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If superchargers ruin cats then what kind of cats come stock with a ZL 1?
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If superchargers ruin cats then what kind of cats come stock with a ZL 1?
I think everyone are talking about High flow aftermarket catts, what I understand the factory use a ceramic catt which handles more heat than these aftermarket high flows which I think use stainless steel or aluminum instead.
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I am glad I removed my ARH cats when i installed my whipple. Thanks for sharing.
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Glad to hear you got it figured out, and it wasn't anything serious.
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I don't believe that superchargers ruin cats. There are plenty of factory blown cars that run cats no problem. Its tunes that ruin them. My stock ones were good until I had a wiring problem that caused misfires. I'm sure that's what started the process and a few weeks later they fell apart.
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Factory supercharged cars come from the factory with a very very lean tune and that's why the cats don't melt. After-market superchargers kill cats because they are tuned much richer. Run off-road connection pipes and swap back when you need to pass State emission inspection.
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Factory supercharged cars come from the factory with a very very lean tune and that's why the cats don't melt. After-market superchargers kill cats because they are tuned much richer. Run off-road connection pipes and swap back when you need to pass State emission inspection.
Very lean? Incorrect... pig rich AFR's on factory blown cars like V and ZL1 in low 10s AFR. GM wouldn't even mess with a blown car and cost of warranty on engine hard parts running on the ragged edge just to spare the cats. The factory cats can take the HP of the 450-500rwp of the aforementioned cars with single digit boost. The higher HP boost applications esp on cheap high flow cats is where the problems arise. Several V's in 10 sec club on factory exhaust.
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