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Old 06-27-2010, 12:01 AM   #1
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Holy (bird) Crap, this paint is fragile!!!

I visited my Dad yesterday for about an hour and when I came out I see that some bird has made two big white splotches on my hood/windshield. So I get the hose out and rinse it off. This morning I get up and decide I'd like to wash the car and so I do a wash and pull into the garage. I get out and I just happened to notice the light refelecting off the spot where the bird crap was yesterday is showing the shape of the bird crap is etched into the clear coat.

It buffed out with a lot of work with some swirl removing polish, but I think my buffing has left a bit of a haze on the paint.

You experts out there have any suggestions to restore this area to factory scratch free shape?

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(Below is a quick pic I took with my phone. The spots you see are not discolorations or spots on the paint... they're just etched -into- the paint surface, like a texture. It shows up when light hits it just right. it looks white in the photo because light is hitting the bumps in the texture)
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:02 AM   #2
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that sucks!!! argh..good to know..i will have to give mine a wash.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:05 AM   #3
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that sucks!!! argh..good to know..i will have to give mine a wash.
Just to clarify, I'm not blaming Chevy or Oshawa for the paint issues. Notice there's some orangepeel on the hood as well. I blame these flaws on the horrible Water based paint that Al Grope and his minions have forced upon all car companies. Chevy is doing as best they can until the technology is perfected or the auto paint industry is deregulated.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:11 AM   #5
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Birdcrap damages all paint!
I've owned many cars and have had birds crap on them and never had it damage the paint from sitting on it for an hour. I had a S10 Blazer that sat outside all summer (no room in garage and I was driving my Z28 in the summer) and it got crap on it all the time that sat there until I washed it in the fall getting it ready for winter. It never left marks like these that formed in an hour...

I know bird crap is supposed to damage paint (that's why I rinsed it off as soon as I saw it on my SS), but I expected that it would take more than a few minutes to cause this kind of damage.
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Just to clarify, I'm not blaming Chevy or Oshawa for the paint issues. Notice there's some orangepeel on the hood as well. I blame these flaws on the horrible Water based paint that Al Grope and his minions have forced upon all car companies. Chevy is doing as best they can until the technology is perfected or the auto paint industry is deregulated.
And people wonder why cars in the 70s were junk. The government was building the whole car, not just the paint. I can't believe a bird dropping sitting on the car for just a day or so did that much. I'm afraid GM is going to have a lot of angry people demanding new paint jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a class action suit at some point down the road.

(P.S, I've been wondering for a while, are you the actual Great One using a pseudonym? Your comments sound exactly like him).
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What will acid rain eventually do to these cars? What will people's cars look like 5 years from now if they can't park them inside garages?
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:22 AM   #8
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And people wonder why cars in the 70s were junk. The government was building the whole car, not just the paint. I can't believe a bird dropping sitting on the car for just a day or so did that much. I'm afraid GM is going to have a lot of angry people demanding new paint jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a class action suit at some point down the road.
The thing is that it wasn't sitting on there for a day. It was on the car for an hour or less. It definitely happened at my Dad's house because it was all over the windshield too and I would have noticed. I hosed it off right away, and went home and put it in the garage. 12 hours later I washed the whole car (I was planning on taking some pix of it) So, the crap was on there for under 60 minutes.

IF there was some sort of residue that was left behind when I rinsed it that was still marring the paint, then that was only on for 12 hours. Still a short time compared to other bird crap experiences I have had.

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Nope. No such luck. To say I sound like him is an honor! Thank you for that! I've always written like this. But listening to his podcast has changed my opinions about a great many things. Really opened my eyes.

Of all the hosts I identify with Mark the most. We like many of the same things and have many of the same tastes. The guy is my new hero. Thank me for your compliment!

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Old 06-27-2010, 12:30 AM   #9
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clay bar? idk if thats appropriate for this?
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I thought clay bar was more of a cleaner and didn't do anything for scratches or blemishes.
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Nope. No such luck. To say I sound like him is an honor! Thank you for that! I've always written like this. But listening to his podcast has changed my opinions about a great many things. Really opened my eyes. Thank me for your compliment!
Oh well, it was worth asking. I listen to the Great One when I can too. The reason I asked was he mentioned once that he had a new Camaro too (and apparently drives it like he stole it according to other radio commentators I listen to who claim have ridden in it with him). Great minds all think alike.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:46 AM   #12
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Have to agree with TC here the paint is to delicate. It's actually frustrating how bad this paint is. I have the splash guards on mine and they still don't help to much.
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Oh well, it was worth asking. I listen to the Great One when I can too. The reason I asked was he mentioned once that he had a new Camaro too (and apparently drives it like he stole it according to other radio commentators I listen to who claim have ridden in it with him). Great minds all think alike.
Listen to his podcasts!!! They are free on his website. What a great guy to offer them for no charge because he wants to fix things and doesn't care about making a profit like some other hosts. That really impressed me.

Locally, they run his show at 10:00PM and cut out hour 3, so the podcast is my solution. It downloads at night and I listen to him first thing in the morning while I run and get ready for work. You can get previous episodes too and listen to them. He truly is (as he jokingly says when he mocks other shows for copying him) "Tomorrow's First Morning Show".

Try the podcast or the free streaming audio on his website!
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Have to agree with TC here the paint is to delicate. It's actually frustrating how bad this paint is. I have the splash guards on mine and they still don't help to much.
Yeah. I just turned 4K miles this week. Now a lot by any measure... the bottoms of the rocker panels seem all roughed up. My 2000 SS had 60K miles when I traded it and the rocker panels s didn't feel that beat up.
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Yeah. I just turned 4K miles this week. Now a lot by any measure... the bottoms of the rocker panels seem all roughed up. My 2000 SS had 60K miles when I traded it and the rocker panels s didn't feel that beat up.
I'll definitely look into the podcasts. Thanks.

I wonder if the paint issue affects certain colors more than others. What color is your car? It looks like Imperial Blue, but it's hard to tell on my computer screen.
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Listen to his podcasts!!! They are free on his website. What a great guy to offer them for no charge because he wants to fix things and doesn't care about making a profit like some other hosts. That really impressed me.

Locally, they run his show at 10:00PM and cut out hour 3, so the podcast is my solution. It downloads at night and I listen to him first thing in the morning while I run and get ready for work. You can get previous episodes too and listen to them. He truly is (as he jokingly says when he mocks other shows for copying him) "Tomorrow's First Morning Show".

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The paint is just bad, no matter the color it's horrible. I don't use my camaro as my dd, to many fu**ing idiots in my town. I have 3450 kilometers on it and the side gills have about 6 chips each in them. No gravel driving either.
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After trying the clay bar, I would go to a body shop who does classic cars and customs and see if they can buff it out without going through the clear coat. After you get this resolved, try a product called Liquid Glass Polish. They are in NJ. and on the Net just do a search. This is not a wax! It is a coating/polish/sealer that is like adding a layer of clear coat with each application. We have 6 coats so far on our Camaro, each coat just makes the shine look deeper and protects the paint more. We have had bird dung with no ill effects and we get LOVE BUGS down here that if not removed quickly can eat through the paint. Also no ill effects from them. I have used Liquid Glass since 1963 and have not found a product that gives a better shine or better paint protection. Another plus, if you drive your car in the winter, snow slides off so easy you won't believe it. (I'm from Cleve) Good luck, hope this helps you and others.
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After trying the clay bar, I would go to a body shop who does classic cars and customs and see if they can buff it out without going through the clear coat. After you get this resolved, try a product called Liquid Glass Polish. They are in NJ. and on the Net just do a search. This is not a wax! It is a coating/polish/sealer that is like adding a layer of clear coat with each application. We have 6 coats so far on our Camaro, each coat just makes the shine look deeper and protects the paint more. We have had bird dung with no ill effects and we get LOVE BUGS down here that if not removed quickly can eat through the paint. Also no ill effects from them. I have used Liquid Glass since 1963 and have not found a product that gives a better shine or better paint protection. Another plus, if you drive your car in the winter, snow slides off so easy you won't believe it. (I'm from Cleve) Good luck, hope this helps you and others.
Thanks for the tips. We get our share of big bugs too. I don't drive the SS in winter, but I could use something like that on my winter car!
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keep your car waxed so that type of stuff will fall right off.
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Thanks for the tips. We get our share of big bugs too. I don't drive the SS in winter, but I could use something like that on my winter car!
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Old 06-27-2010, 08:39 AM   #22
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keep your car waxed so that type of stuff will fall right off.
Wrong. Bird sh*t will eat right through even the most durable wax. I have a coat of Adam's Machine Super Wax on mine, and it does little to protect from acidic bird droppings.

I've said it from day 1 - the paint on these cars is garbage. I've never seen paint etch and chip so easily. A repaint is going to be a requirement by 50,000 miles at this point.
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Same thi g happened to my husbands black Scion. Ate right through the clear cloat. So although I do agree that the paint on the Camaros is less than desirable as far as durability, it happens to most cars when it comes to bird crap. And people think I'm nuts for keeping Meguires detail spray and a sham in my trunk...and doing a quick detail everyday!? Doenst sound so "nutty" now....

Hope you can get that fixed!
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Same thi g happened to my husbands black Scion. Ate right through the clear cloat. So although I do agree that the paint on the Camaros is less than desirable as far as durability, it happens to most cars when it comes to bird crap. And people think I'm nuts for keeping Meguires detail spray and a sham in my trunk...and doing a quick detail everyday!? Doenst sound so "nutty" now....

Hope you can get that fixed!
Thanks.

I was able to smooth it out using some Meguires swirl remover but I'm not 100% happy with it because some haze was left behind. I think the haze is just from the swirl remover and I need something a bit finer to get rid of the haze. I was hoping someone could clue me in on what to do to get rid of the leftover haze.
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I use Adam's Swirl and Haze remover for the first pass and then I follow it with Adam's Revive Polish (using their blue pad) before waxing. That will take out any remaining haze in your clear coat. I am an avid believer in the Adam's products and you won't find a company with better customer service. adamspolishes.com if you're interested.

Swirl and haze remover only takes out the fine scratches and haze. It does not put the polish back in your clear coat. You need the finer polishing power of a polish like the revive followed by a coat of wax.

If you go to this link: http://www.adamspolishes.com/c-17-ca...nd-polish.aspx
The Revive is about 1/3 of the way down the page followed by their "flip pad." You use the blue side with the revive. Or you can use the blue hex grip pad further down the page. That's what I'd do.

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