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Old 01-01-2013, 11:01 AM   #171
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Once more it all comes down to what you want in a car, if you are only looking at drag racing then yes $60,000 for a 12 second car isn't the best bang for your buck.

From another perspective while $60,000 and getting close to the 3 minute barrier is very impressive. $55,000 and breaking the 3 minute barrier is just so much more impressive, also much better bang for your buck.

I guess what I am saying is simple, if you have 10 people looking to buy either the ZL1 or GT500 it comes down to simple preference. If 5 are looking at mountain roads and some track days in a comfortable daily driver its easy ZL1 Camaro. The other 5 looking for something to use on the drag strip will easily pick the GT500, its that simple.

I also think it's an age thing. The younger guys seem to lean more towards the 500 for straight line speed, while the older guys prefer the twist and turns. For most older guys we have been there done that in straight lines and now it's time to move onto something different, that has more of a challenge for us.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:02 AM   #172
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and theres a lot more to a gt500 then a 3:00 minute lap. A lot of people on here just dont give credit where its due. Ford made a awesome car, Chevy made a awesome car.They both have there ups and downs but if i were to pick one it would be the gt500 simply because most of my driving consists of straight lines, highway, and stop line to stop light pulls.Just like most people in there early 20's i care about raw power. Im not trying to bash the zl1 im just stating my opinion
Guess you need to go back and read my post and what I quoted... I didn't discredit the GT500 in any way.

Seems you've got a chip on your shoulder over this VIR time. Or maybe you just saw I actually drive a ZL1 and assumed I don't like GT500's
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:08 AM   #173
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I also think it's an age thing. The younger guys seem to lean more towards the 500 for straight line speed, while the older guys prefer the twist and turns. For most older guys we have been there done that in straight lines and now it's time to move onto something different, that has more of a challenge for us.
yeah i just got into cars about two years ago im not ready to give up straight lines lol
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:11 AM   #174
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Guess you need to go back and read my post and what I quoted... I didn't discredit the GT500 in any way.

Seems you've got a chip on your shoulder over this VIR time. Or maybe you just saw I actually drive a ZL1 and assumed I don't like GT500's
no no its not you its other people in here i just qouted you. i dont have a chip its just that before the zl1's 1/4 time this site use to be all about dragstrips. the motorcross section would always have a couple people in it where the drap racing would have double if not triple the amount of people. Now that its out everybody has turned into road kings
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:24 AM   #175
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no no its not you its other people in here i just qouted you. i dont have a chip its just that before the zl1's 1/4 time this site use to be all about dragstrips. the motorcross section would always have a couple people in it where the drap racing would have double if not triple the amount of people. Now that its out everybody has turned into road kings
Slingshot gave a perfect answer and you pretty much blew it off to scarcasm. We've had 1/4 mile thread after 1/4 mile thread and the 13 GT500 is .5 seconds faster on the drag strip if not more than the ZL1... You will not ever see a stock GT500 lose to a stock ZL1 on the drag strip unless the driver is horrible or they redlight. Pretty much done and over so why do we want to continue to beat that horse on a Camaro site.

Now this thread is a road track time so folks are in here to talk about it. The big deal is with the weight/HP difference the GT500 should be walking all over the ZL1 on the roadtrack as well. It's not happening which is a testament to the ZL1. It's going to take time for the Ford guys to reel in the raw power of the GT500 and learn to drive it. I'm quite sure with time their lap times will decrease at a faster rate than the ZL1.

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I also think it's an age thing. The younger guys seem to lean more towards the 500 for straight line speed, while the older guys prefer the twist and turns. For most older guys we have been there done that in straight lines and now it's time to move onto something different, that has more of a challenge for us.
I am young and I prefer corners to straight lines, I think it has to do with geography and the local culture. The people who I know who live in the mid west are all about straight line speed, here in so cal we have a lot of curvy roads to drive on in the mountains.

This has been one reason why import brands made so many inroads into the west coast and now certain Domestic models are doing much better here. Now you can buy two models of Camaro that handle really well and all of the Corvettes handle really well. Not to mention the CTS V series line up (we have a lot of them here where I live).

It comes down to if the domestics want to start making inroads in the west coast at least when it comes to performance cars they have to make them go around corners.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:28 AM   #177
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no no its not you its other people in here i just qouted you. i dont have a chip its just that before the zl1's 1/4 time this site use to be all about dragstrips. the motorcross section would always have a couple people in it where the drap racing would have double if not triple the amount of people. Now that its out everybody has turned into road kings
I do not know why on a thread about a road track you want to complain that no one is talking about the drag strip.....
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:36 AM   #178
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...hey look, an 'Apple' thread.

LET's talk about 'Oranges'...
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:39 AM   #179
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I do not know why on a thread about a road track you want to complain that no one is talking about the drag strip.....
your missing the point
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...hey look, an 'Apple' thread.

LET's talk about 'Oranges'...

LOL ... It always seems to work out that way !!!
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...hey look, an 'Apple' thread.

LET's talk about 'Oranges'...
i was just reading the thread and someone said the camaro is the best bang for your buck i simply stated how i felt it isnt thats all
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...it's all good .

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Old 01-01-2013, 11:46 AM   #183
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:48 AM   #184
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I gotta give credit to the ZL1. Making an over 4000 pound car do what its dong takes alot. Will the ZL1 out handle the GT500?? I say yes, that it depends on the track and driver. The ZL1 will be more easy to drive but I dont think its going to kill a GT500 on every track or even beat the GT500 on every track. Throw more laps in there and I bet the ZL1 will heat soak MUCH faster than the GT500. But I still give the edge to the ZL1 on road courses.

Now the 1LE and Boss. Thats a whole different story. The 1LE beat the Boss time on a dry track on a different day with no traffic compared to the Boss's time on a damp track with traffic. Just sayn.......Also im not biased. I could care less if its a Ford Dodge or Chevy......Ive had all and alot of each!!!!
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:55 AM   #185
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What I dont get is all of the sudden a road course time is what matters the most. As far back as I can remember, 1/4 mile times were what was talked about. Now, 1/4 mile times are "not all the car is about"??? Hmmmmmm. I love the ZL1 and all but sounds kind of fishy to me. Why is this big push for road course times out all of the sudden when it never even came to mind not to long ago.
Personally, I could give a rats ass about a road course time.

I can just hear it now......."he buddy, I bet I can take that offramp faster than you!!!!!" OR, "Ill race you around that corner for pinks!!!"
LOL. It's already happening. The ZL1 has a G meter in the HUD so now we can post our best lateral acceleration G's. I've been a hard core drag racer my adult whole life and consider it the bench mark of performance racing; especially when it comes to American Muscle cars. I can't wait to take my ZL1 to the track this Spring. However...

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That's because it's finally becoming more popular in the U.S. ...
This is definitely true when it comes to road racing. I also can't wait to take this car on a road course as well. I've always hesitated because my previous car was set up for drag racing, but this should be fun.

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Once more it all comes down to what you want in a car, if you are only looking at drag racing then yes $60,000 for a 12 second car isn't the best bang for your buck.

From another perspective while $60,000 and getting close to the 3 minute barrier is very impressive. $55,000 and breaking the 3 minute barrier is just so much more impressive, also much better bang for your buck.
A lot of the detractors in this thread would say otherwise; but this sums it up the best. The ZL1 is a true dual purpose track and street car with a warranty to back it up.


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Slingshot gave a perfect answer and you pretty much blew it off to scarcasm. We've had 1/4 mile thread after 1/4 mile thread and the 13 GT500 is .5 seconds faster on the drag strip if not more than the ZL1... You will not ever see a stock GT500 lose to a stock ZL1 on the drag strip unless the driver is horrible or they redlight. Pretty much done and over so why do we want to continue to beat that horse on a Camaro site.

Now this thread is a road track time so folks are in here to talk about it. The big deal is with the weight/HP difference the GT500 should be walking all over the ZL1 on the roadtrack as well. It's not happening which is a testament to the ZL1. It's going to take time for the Ford guys to reel in the raw power of the GT500 and learn to drive it. I'm quite sure with time their lap times will decrease at a faster rate than the ZL1.
Well said. Just the facts please.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:12 PM   #186
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i was just reading the thread and someone said the camaro is the best bang for your buck i simply stated how i felt it isnt thats all
I don't think that anyone has an issue with your opinion that you prefer drag racing to road racing, or that you would rather have the GT500 over the ZL1.

I want is a matter of opinion, when you start to say that one thing is a better bang for your buck then another it is safer to have a qualifier. Such as the GT500 is the better bang for your buck car because its faster at the drag strip. That is an opinion, when you state that the GT500 is the better bang for your buck car because it is so much faster at the drag strip it comes off as a matter of fact. When in reality there are plenty of people who disagrees with you, also because these two cars excel at different things its possible that the GT500 is the better bang for your buck car then the ZL1 for you but the other way for other people.

You also throw it out there that suddenly people have become track fans because it is is what ZL1 and 1LE is really good at. I can give a counter argument that people are increasingly enjoying road racing and that those who like drag racing may even be down. This would also have the desired result of turning drag strip people into road racing people. You also have to understand that the gen 4 Camaro's while not the worst handling cars in the world this isn't something that it excelled at. Its like a kid who gets a new toy and starts to play with it, they find out that this toy can also do X, Y, and Z and now have more interest in it because of it.

With that said, my uncle loved drag racing and when he was younger had a 1969 SS 396 Camaro which ran a best time of 12.10 at the drag strip. He passed this love for drag racing on to his son, I have had no interest at all in drag racing. If you think I need historical context for why I like Camaro's then look at the old Z28 Camaro's and their performance in Trans Am racing something with lots of turns.

As far as others "jumping" onto the road racing band wagon that you have insinuated I can not speak for others. though is it possible that those people talk drag racing in drag racing threads and road racing in road racing threads and that they actually liked both all along?.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:23 PM   #187
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. The fact the GT500 can barely beat a $37k car with 200 less horsepower speaks volumes. There are about a million mods you can do to a LS3 to make a Camaro do the 1/4 faster then a GT500...


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