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Old 12-31-2012, 07:47 AM   #126
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Would be a little embarrassing for the blue oval fans.
Ehhh, I dont know......The ring has alot of long sweeping turns and straights that would make it more of a GT500 type of track.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:11 AM   #127
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Ehhh, I dont know......The ring has alot of long sweeping turns and straights that would make it more of a GT500 type of track.
LOL....says the guy with a Ford.

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Old 12-31-2012, 08:40 AM   #128
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I just want to see a ring time from a 13 GT500 on a good day.
Didn't Ford have a couple of 13-500s at the ring about 6-8 months ago, for a few days. I don't think the results were ever released. Maybe the times were not that good? You would have thought if the cars were stock and broke the ZL1s times it would have been posted everywhere.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:00 AM   #129
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Didn't Ford have a couple of 13-500s at the ring about 6-8 months ago, for a few days. I don't think the results were ever released. Maybe the times were not that good? You would have thought if the cars were stock and broke the ZL1s times it would have been posted everywhere.
They did have have them on there but they never had a track rented like GM did. They ran the cars with all the traffic on there.
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Put GM engineer Aaron link or corvette racer, Johnny o'connell in the 1le and you would see crazy low times at VIR.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:30 AM   #131
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Ehhh, I dont know......The ring has alot of long sweeping turns and straights that would make it more of a GT500 type of track.
But the brakes wouldn't hold up.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:41 AM   #132
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Put GM engineer Aaron link or corvette racer, Johnny o'connell in the 1le and you would see crazy low times at VIR.
Aaron turned a sub 3 min lap in the 1lE earlier this year at VIR..


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Old 12-31-2012, 11:31 AM   #133
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They did have have them on there but they never had a track rented like GM did. They ran the cars with all the traffic on there.
With all of Ford's resources they could not secure sufficient time to run a similar lap in the configuration to what Chevy ran, sorry I don't buy it. You spend how much money to get your vehicles there for testing knowing full well what the ZL1 had already run and you could not negotiate an open track for for a small amount of time beforehand.

All this really doesn't matter, as just about every publication has stated the ZL1 is a better track car, and much easier to drive given it's advanced suspension. The 500 is an incredible 1/4 mile and roll race terror, which is what many who drive Mustangs want. Nothing wrong with either car.
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:56 AM   #134
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Not to take anything away from any of the cars but does anyone know which cars were tested on the same day? A lot of speculation about the gt500 having to run on a damp course while the camaro's ran on a dry track.
Wow, wonder where that would have been started???
Were there not multiple runs over a period of days?
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Old 12-31-2012, 12:14 PM   #135
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All cars ran over two days. The faster laptimes are on the second day, hence the mention of why the Focus ST could've done better because the laptime was from the first day and they couldn't run it the second day (forgot key fob on roof, fell during racing, broke into pieces).

Anyhow, there are many track tests between the shelby and zl1 and we know the zl1 is superior on the track, hence hard to doubt the LL7 lap times.
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:01 PM   #136
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I don't even know why there are debates going on still about which one is a better track car stock. The GT500 is a quarter mile monster, Where as the ZL1 will out corner and out handle the GT500 ridiculously well hence the better times running around a track. Also the ZL1 isn't far behind the GT500 in the quarter mile either, people are breaking into the 11's pretty easily with good weather now.
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:40 PM   #137
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I don't even know why there are debates going on still about which one is a better track car stock. The GT500 is a quarter mile monster, Where as the ZL1 will out corner and out handle the GT500 ridiculously well hence the better times running around a track. Also the ZL1 isn't far behind the GT500 in the quarter mile either, people are breaking into the 11's pretty easily with good weather now.
I agree. MR3, irs, plus much better contact patch definitely gives the ZL1 a win on most road courses.
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:48 PM   #138
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Impressive times! As a Camaro fan I'm glad the Camaros beat the Mustangs. But the GT500s 3:00 is still FAST and beat up all those other cars too! That makes both cars incredible value for the money. To be honest here, considering that the 500 may not be as fast around the track as the ZL1, but still faster than all those other vehicles, it is still imo the best performance car for the money you can buy. It beats all those other cars except the ZL1 but when it hits a straight line it dominates. Zl1 is no doubt the better daily but the 500 in strictly performance terms is the better buy.

Now imagine what the future versions of these cars are going to do with the lighter platforms. I mean dude the Boxster S is pretty much a full on sports car and its losing to heavy trucks with car bodies lmao.

5 years ago I would have laughed at people if they thought a Mustang or Camaro could touch a Boxster S around a track.
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:27 PM   #139
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To be honest here, considering that the 500 may not be as fast around the track as the ZL1, but still faster than all those other vehicles, it is still imo the best performance car for the money you can buy. It beats all those other cars except the ZL1 but when it hits a straight line it dominates. Zl1 is no doubt the better daily but the 500 in strictly performance terms is the better buy.
I will have to respectfully disagree, the 500 is only good at one venue (straight line) . Stock for stock, the 500 was beat in this venue even with all it's track pack OPTIONS, so I see the ZL1 as being the better dollar value.
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I will have to respectfully disagree, the 500 is only good at one venue (straight line) . Stock for stock, the 500 was beat in this venue even with all it's track pack OPTIONS, so I see the ZL1 as being the better dollar value.
I concur. Both great cars I just don't see the case for the 500 being a better value.
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Zl1 is no doubt the better daily but the 500 in strictly performance terms is the better buy.

5 years ago I would have laughed at people if they thought a Mustang or Camaro could touch a Boxster S around a track.

Yes. Weak argument. Very true.
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But the brakes wouldn't hold up.
HUH??? Its not a 2012. Its a 2013 with the bigger front and rear brakes. Hell I can beat the crap out of my 2012 brakes and not have any brake fade.
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Old 12-31-2012, 07:59 PM   #143
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So I went to Barnes and Noble and bought the Feb edition so I could study the results in depth. It may be only a minor comment but the driver of the ZL1 stated ""Confession: We probably held the brakes a bit too long on our hot lap." Translation: The 2:57.5 time of the ZL1 should have been faster if we would have just trusted the car to do its job."

I have read the entire article and (unless I missed something) this is the only place the driver of the car admits he probably could have turned a better time. Being that the ZL was only 2.4 seconds slower than the LEXUS LFA (a car that goes for just under $400K) and the driver admits to using too much break in the Z in his lap....all I can say is "WOW".
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:49 PM   #144
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So I went to Barnes and Noble and bought the Feb edition so I could study the results in depth. It may be only a minor comment but the driver of the ZL1 stated ""Confession: We probably held the brakes a bit too long on our hot lap." Translation: The 2:57.5 time of the ZL1 should have been faster if we would have just trusted the car to do its job."

I have read the entire article and (unless I missed something) this is the only place the driver of the car admits he probably could have turned a better time. Being that the ZL was only 2.4 seconds slower than the LEXUS LFA (a car that goes for just under $400K) and the driver admits to using too much break in the Z in his lap....all I can say is "WOW".
I'm sure 99% of lfa owners don't care that a camaro is almost as fast as there car around the track. Im pretty sure given the chance most camaro owners would if they could trade the camaro in for a lfa
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Have you guys heard that LFA in the videos?!?! Only car ever that completely intoxicates me with the engine sound, immediate memories of the Indinapolis F1 races. I have to go to Austin next year.
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:39 PM   #146
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I'm sure 99% of lfa owners don't care that a camaro is almost as fast as there car around the track. Im pretty sure given the chance most camaro owners would if they could trade the camaro in for a lfa
Where in the hell did you come from with that comment? Did I infer anything of the like? I simply made a VALUE (performance for the buck) statement and reference the article mentioned the performance of the ZL1 could have even been better. Happy New Year and read the entire thread (just a few post early we were discussing the best performance value) before making a comment that has no fundamental basis.
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Have you guys heard that LFA in the videos?!?! Only car ever that completely intoxicates me with the engine sound, immediate memories of the Indinapolis F1 races. I have to go to Austin next year.
Yamaha did that right. The lfa is the only v10 I like the sound of.
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Impressive times! As a Camaro fan I'm glad the Camaros beat the Mustangs. But the GT500s 3:00 is still FAST and beat up all those other cars too! That makes both cars incredible value for the money. To be honest here, considering that the 500 may not be as fast around the track as the ZL1, but still faster than all those other vehicles, it is still imo the best performance car for the money you can buy. It beats all those other cars except the ZL1 but when it hits a straight line it dominates. Zl1 is no doubt the better daily but the 500 in strictly performance terms is the better buy.

Now imagine what the future versions of these cars are going to do with the lighter platforms. I mean dude the Boxster S is pretty much a full on sports car and its losing to heavy trucks with car bodies lmao.

5 years ago I would have laughed at people if they thought a Mustang or Camaro could touch a Boxster S around a track.
HUH?? The ZL1 is faster on a road course by a substantial margin, is bar none the more comfortable DD with MR3, and cost over $4500 less than the tested GT500, yet you think the GT500 is the better buy?
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:08 AM   #149
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all i can comment on is my 1le rocks vs the mustang. it may not beat it but.. thats close enough for me! lol..
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sigh...I'd give good money if we could all just stop comparing the GT500 to the ZL1...the GT500 just isn't in the same class...
Seriously, it almost got beat by the 1LE and it has 200+ less horsepower...

What always boggles my mind is why does anybody care about the 1/4 mile?
Its not hard to make the ZL1 break into 10s, just look at Hennessey's 700, but there isn't a god powerful enough to make the GT500 handle as well as the ZL1...Its a freaking straight line people
Maybe we should just be impressed they got that rock around the track that fast...
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