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Old 01-01-2013, 12:11 AM   #151
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Where in the hell did you come from with that comment? Did I infer anything of the like? I simply made a VALUE (performance for the buck) statement and reference the article mentioned the performance of the ZL1 could have even been better. Happy New Year and read the entire thread (just a few post early we were discussing the best performance value) before making a comment that has no fundamental basis.
I have been reading the whole thread speaking of performance value a 60k 12 second car isn't the best bang for your buck IMHO.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:20 AM   #152
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sigh...I'd give good money if we could all just stop comparing the GT500 to the ZL1...the GT500 just isn't in the same class...
Seriously, it almost got beat by the 1LE and it has 200+ less horsepower...

What always boggles my mind is why does anybody care about the 1/4 mile?
Its not hard to make the ZL1 break into 10s, just look at Hennessey's 700, but there isn't a god powerful enough to make the GT500 handle as well as the ZL1...Its a freaking straight line people
Maybe we should just be impressed they got that rock around the track that fast...
People care about 1/4 times because that's what American muscle is about. A straight line.if the gt500 isn't in the same league because of it's track times then the zl1 isn't in the gt500s league because of it's 1/4 times. The difference between a 500 and a regular gt is over a full second. A zl1 and a Ss? Only a few tenths and I am by no means a ford fanboy I owned one ford and it was a pos
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sigh...I'd give good money if we could all just stop comparing the GT500 to the ZL1...the GT500 just isn't in the same class...
Seriously, it almost got beat by the 1LE and it has 200+ less horsepower...

What always boggles my mind is why does anybody care about the 1/4 mile?
Its not hard to make the ZL1 break into 10s, just look at Hennessey's 700, but there isn't a god powerful enough to make the GT500 handle as well as the ZL1...Its a freaking straight line people
Maybe we should just be impressed they got that rock around the track that fast...
It is not hard to comprehend why 1/4 times and straight line performance matter so much to people. 99% of drivers and even enthusiasts will do most of their racing in a straight line whether it be legally at a track or from stop light to stop light.
It is hard on the car, but nowhere near as hard as running hard laps around a track. Not to mention most people do not have the skill to get a car around a track quickly. 1/4 racing is significantly easier.
I am a huge enthusiast myself and my personal cars have only ever seen the drag strip, more times than I can count. I'd love to go to a nice course but my Camaro is my daily and running a daily hard around a track just isn't a good idea. When I can eventually afford a home and a second car then I'll give it a go, for now its high speed go karts.
Additionally 1/4 times are widely recognized and easily understood. There are countless tracks out there and they are all so different. Someone on the other side of the country will likely not have any idea what a good time is at your local course. They would however understand 1/4 times.

So hopefully now you realize how important 1/4 times are and why people care.

For those who responded to me, the above shows why the 500 is a great performer. Most people care about 1/4 times and it just plain trashes the ZL1 and pretty much every other car out there for the money. The ZL1 obviously handles better but most people are never going to a course track.

Just think if the cars were opposite and the ZL1 put up the 500 times while the 500 was a bit quicker around a track? I guarantee I'd see people saying, "Who cares that your car is faster around some random track, you'll still enjoy my tail lights when I see you out." Just saying...

The 500 being the better performance car for the cash doesn't take away from the ZL1 also being a great performer for the cash. I'd still get the ZL1 over it anyway because it is the better daily.

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Old 01-01-2013, 12:44 AM   #154
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sigh...I'd give good money if we could all just stop comparing the GT500 to the ZL1...the GT500 just isn't in the same class...
Seriously, it almost got beat by the 1LE and it has 200+ less horsepower...

What always boggles my mind is why does anybody care about the 1/4 mile?
Its not hard to make the ZL1 break into 10s, just look at Hennessey's 700, but there isn't a god powerful enough to make the GT500 handle as well as the ZL1...Its a freaking straight line people
Maybe we should just be impressed they got that rock around the track that fast...
last I checked its beaten the ZL1 on close to half of the tracks they have tested the GT500 against the ZL1...but no where has the ZL1 beaten the GT500 on the drag strip. And who cares about the 1/4? Bet there are more 1/4 threads on here then there are road courses. Only reason the road course matters now is b/c its the only thing the Camaro has a chance on.
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Old 01-01-2013, 01:28 AM   #155
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Well, If Chevrolet used the help of an outside company to make there car perform better in the 1/4 mile I am sure the race would not even be an issue. Oh well as long as what you drive is a Ford, Dodge, and most of all Chevrolet you have my respect.:flag2:
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Hmm, think you're not understanding my point...its easy to make a car go fast in a straight line, just takes some money.
Making it endure Nurburgring at 7.40 takes skill and engineering...and lots of it. The fact the GT500 can barely beat a $37k car with 200 less horsepower speaks volumes. There are about a million mods you can do to a LS3 to make a Camaro do the 1/4 faster then a GT500...

As far as egotistical people who are busy living life "a quarter mile at a time"...just don't have time for those kind of people...
I don't race on public roads and anytime anybody wants to challenge me, I say "sure, lets go to the track"...they usually decline...they usually lack the skill and are worried about their "superior" cars breaking...

Guess you can look at it another way...Cars can accelerate, decelerate, turn left, turn right and endure....seems kind of ridiculous to declare your car superior against a car that can do ALL of those well, because you can do a quarter mile .3 of a second faster, yet suck at everything else...


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last I checked its beaten the ZL1 on close to half of the tracks they have tested the GT500 against the ZL1...
Really? why not list those out for me and we'll review

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I don't drag race and I don't race on the track either. I do know that my ZL1 is one bad MOFO with a sexy fat a$$. I could never pick a GT500 over her but I would love to have one as a side ride. On a serious note the fact that the GT500 is more powerful and weighs less you would think that it would whoop the ZL1 on all road courses and not just on the strip. I mean doesn't it have a track package for "Road Courses"? My 2cents....
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I have been reading the whole thread speaking of performance value a 60k 12 second car isn't the best bang for your buck IMHO.
The ZL1 beat cars many times more than it's value around VIR. Sorry if that bugs you, but no one on this thread is going to mistake your sour grapes for a valid argument. Quarter mile times don't define the ZL1, deal with it.
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I have been reading the whole thread speaking of performance value a 60k 12 second car isn't the best bang for your buck IMHO.
Sure if that's all you care about. This thread is about VIR. There's a lot more to a ZL1 than a 12 sec 1/4 mile.
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Sure if that's all you care about. This thread is about VIR. There's a lot more to a ZL1 than a 12 sec 1/4 mile.
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The ZL1 beat cars many times more than it's value around VIR. Sorry if that bugs you, but no one on this thread is going to mistake your sour grapes for a valid argument. Quarter mile times don't define the ZL1, deal with it.
Thank you. The return of sanity and context.
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Old 01-01-2013, 09:27 AM   #162
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Sure if that's all you care about. This thread is about VIR. There's a lot more to a ZL1 than a 12 sec 1/4 mile.
and theres a lot more to a gt500 then a 3:00 minute lap. A lot of people on here just dont give credit where its due. Ford made a awesome car, Chevy made a awesome car.They both have there ups and downs but if i were to pick one it would be the gt500 simply because most of my driving consists of straight lines, highway, and stop line to stop light pulls.Just like most people in there early 20's i care about raw power. Im not trying to bash the zl1 im just stating my opinion
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Nope the sanity is back out the window and context? never
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What I dont get is all of the sudden a road course time is what matters the most. As far back as I can remember, 1/4 mile times were what was talked about. Now, 1/4 mile times are "not all the car is about"??? Hmmmmmm. I love the ZL1 and all but sounds kind of fishy to me. Why is this big push for road course times out all of the sudden when it never even came to mind not to long ago.
Personally, I could give a rats ass about a road course time.

I can just hear it now......."he buddy, I bet I can take that offramp faster than you!!!!!" OR, "Ill race you around that corner for pinks!!!"
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last I checked its beaten the ZL1 on close to half of the tracks they have tested the GT500 against the ZL1...but no where has the ZL1 beaten the GT500 on the drag strip. And who cares about the 1/4? Bet there are more 1/4 threads on here then there are road courses. Only reason the road course matters now is b/c its the only thing the Camaro has a chance on.

Oh please name half the tracks the 500 beat the Z on ...
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What I dont get is all of the sudden a road course time is what matters the most. As far back as I can remember, 1/4 mile times were what was talked about. Now, 1/4 mile times are "not all the car is about"??? Hmmmmmm. I love the ZL1 and all but sounds kind of fishy to me. Why is this big push for road course times out all of the sudden when it never even came to mind not to long ago.
Personally, I could give a rats ass about a road course time.
excatly i would say they only care because thats all the zl1 has aganist the gt500 or the "it looks better'' argument buttttt i wont say that
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What I dont get is all of the sudden a road course time is what matters the most. As far back as I can remember, 1/4 mile times were what was talked about. Now, 1/4 mile times are "not all the car is about"??? Hmmmmmm. I love the ZL1 and all but sounds kind of fishy to me. Why is this big push for road course times out all of the sudden when it never even came to mind not to long ago.
Personally, I could give a rats ass about a road course time.

I can just hear it now......."he buddy, I bet I can take that offramp faster than you!!!!!" OR, "Ill race you around that corner for pinks!!!"
Or '' you just beat me in a straight line? lets take it to some random track that noboday cares about and try again""
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What I dont get is all of the sudden a road course time is what matters the most. As far back as I can remember, 1/4 mile times were what was talked about. Now, 1/4 mile times are "not all the car is about"??? Hmmmmmm. I love the ZL1 and all but sounds kind of fishy to me. Why is this big push for road course times out all of the sudden when it never even came to mind not to long ago.
Personally, I could give a rats ass about a road course time.

I can just hear it now......."he buddy, I bet I can take that offramp faster than you!!!!!" OR, "Ill race you around that corner for pinks!!!"

That's because it's finally becoming more popular in the U.S. ...
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I have been reading the whole thread speaking of performance value a 60k 12 second car isn't the best bang for your buck IMHO.
Once more it all comes down to what you want in a car, if you are only looking at drag racing then yes $60,000 for a 12 second car isn't the best bang for your buck.

From another perspective while $60,000 and getting close to the 3 minute barrier is very impressive. $55,000 and breaking the 3 minute barrier is just so much more impressive, also much better bang for your buck.

I guess what I am saying is simple, if you have 10 people looking to buy either the ZL1 or GT500 it comes down to simple preference. If 5 are looking at mountain roads and some track days in a comfortable daily driver its easy ZL1 Camaro. The other 5 looking for something to use on the drag strip will easily pick the GT500, its that simple.
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and theres a lot more to a gt500 then a 3:00 minute lap. A lot of people on here just dont give credit where its due. Ford made a awesome car, Chevy made a awesome car.They both have there ups and downs but if i were to pick one it would be the gt500 simply because most of my driving consists of straight lines, highway, and stop line to stop light pulls.Just like most people in there early 20's i care about raw power. Im not trying to bash the zl1 im just stating my opinion
I do not think that anyone here is not giving the GT500 credit for being a drag strip car. At the same time it has 662BHP how was it not going to be faster then the 580BHP ZL1 Camaro at the drag strip. For retrospect if the ZL1 Camaro had the 638BHP LS9 engine under its hood it would probably run the same 1/4mile as the 662BHP GT500.

Here is the thing that you are completely missing/ignoring, its harder to make a 4,100 pound car that has 580BHP run VIR in less then 3 minutes while at the same time be easy to drive and tame on the street. You want to get your ZL1 Camaro to 10s in the 1/4mile well some companies have tunes for that.....
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Once more it all comes down to what you want in a car, if you are only looking at drag racing then yes $60,000 for a 12 second car isn't the best bang for your buck.

From another perspective while $60,000 and getting close to the 3 minute barrier is very impressive. $55,000 and breaking the 3 minute barrier is just so much more impressive, also much better bang for your buck.

I guess what I am saying is simple, if you have 10 people looking to buy either the ZL1 or GT500 it comes down to simple preference. If 5 are looking at mountain roads and some track days in a comfortable daily driver its easy ZL1 Camaro. The other 5 looking for something to use on the drag strip will easily pick the GT500, its that simple.

I also think it's an age thing. The younger guys seem to lean more towards the 500 for straight line speed, while the older guys prefer the twist and turns. For most older guys we have been there done that in straight lines and now it's time to move onto something different, that has more of a challenge for us.
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and theres a lot more to a gt500 then a 3:00 minute lap. A lot of people on here just dont give credit where its due. Ford made a awesome car, Chevy made a awesome car.They both have there ups and downs but if i were to pick one it would be the gt500 simply because most of my driving consists of straight lines, highway, and stop line to stop light pulls.Just like most people in there early 20's i care about raw power. Im not trying to bash the zl1 im just stating my opinion
Guess you need to go back and read my post and what I quoted... I didn't discredit the GT500 in any way.

Seems you've got a chip on your shoulder over this VIR time. Or maybe you just saw I actually drive a ZL1 and assumed I don't like GT500's
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I also think it's an age thing. The younger guys seem to lean more towards the 500 for straight line speed, while the older guys prefer the twist and turns. For most older guys we have been there done that in straight lines and now it's time to move onto something different, that has more of a challenge for us.
yeah i just got into cars about two years ago im not ready to give up straight lines lol
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Guess you need to go back and read my post and what I quoted... I didn't discredit the GT500 in any way.

Seems you've got a chip on your shoulder over this VIR time. Or maybe you just saw I actually drive a ZL1 and assumed I don't like GT500's
no no its not you its other people in here i just qouted you. i dont have a chip its just that before the zl1's 1/4 time this site use to be all about dragstrips. the motorcross section would always have a couple people in it where the drap racing would have double if not triple the amount of people. Now that its out everybody has turned into road kings
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no no its not you its other people in here i just qouted you. i dont have a chip its just that before the zl1's 1/4 time this site use to be all about dragstrips. the motorcross section would always have a couple people in it where the drap racing would have double if not triple the amount of people. Now that its out everybody has turned into road kings
Slingshot gave a perfect answer and you pretty much blew it off to scarcasm. We've had 1/4 mile thread after 1/4 mile thread and the 13 GT500 is .5 seconds faster on the drag strip if not more than the ZL1... You will not ever see a stock GT500 lose to a stock ZL1 on the drag strip unless the driver is horrible or they redlight. Pretty much done and over so why do we want to continue to beat that horse on a Camaro site.

Now this thread is a road track time so folks are in here to talk about it. The big deal is with the weight/HP difference the GT500 should be walking all over the ZL1 on the roadtrack as well. It's not happening which is a testament to the ZL1. It's going to take time for the Ford guys to reel in the raw power of the GT500 and learn to drive it. I'm quite sure with time their lap times will decrease at a faster rate than the ZL1.

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