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Old 12-28-2012, 01:18 PM   #1
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Newb 69' Firebird

Hey guys, I just bought a 1969 Firebird.

It has what I think is a pontiac 350 (I checked the vin number). TH400 trans

I have a few questions;

Is it worth a lot more as a numbers matching vehicle? (from what I've heard the pontiac 350 isn't worth much)

Would it be worth converting to a Camaro? (I know how people feel about this but it would be an easy changeover in my shop using camaro fiberglass front clip) I would like to drop an LT1 or LS1 in it either way.

What is the widest tire size and appropriate backspacing with a 16" rim?

Anything substantially different or special about the 69 bird opposed to the 69 camaro?

Thanks everyone!

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Old 12-28-2012, 01:25 PM   #2
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Here's a pic.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:39 PM   #3
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Always worth more matching #'s unless it is a LS transplant with mondern suspension...then they seem to bring more $ at auction.

The 350 did not come with that hood. Thats a 400 hood, and the wheels are gen 3 camaro wheels.

Look at the trim tag and you can look up all the car originally was. Also, build sheet may be under the rear seat.

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Old 12-28-2012, 03:51 PM   #4
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Keep it a Firebird. Make it a Trans Am clone if nothing else.
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Old 12-28-2012, 07:52 PM   #5
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I'd pro-tour it with a LS and t56. Cool car good luck with it.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:41 AM   #6
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SC2150: I would love to put an LS with a TCI front end on it but that is $$. I picked up the hood off of craigslist a few weeks ago, it's fiberglass. I think I want to swap the iroc rims out for 16" GTA rims. Do you know the widest tire I could put under the fenders?

its a syn: I'm not sure if I want it to look factory but I'd definitely go Trans am if I did!

Vinz68: I'm definitely going T56 but I think I'd like to build an LT1. Definitely looking for more of a pro touring look!
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:19 PM   #7
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SC2150: I would love to put an LS with a TCI front end on it but that is $$. I picked up the hood off of craigslist a few weeks ago, it's fiberglass. I think I want to swap the iroc rims out for 16" GTA rims. Do you know the widest tire I could put under the fenders?

its a syn: I'm not sure if I want it to look factory but I'd definitely go Trans am if I did!

Vinz68: I'm definitely going T56 but I think I'd like to build an LT1. Definitely looking for more of a pro touring look!
Keep it a firebird at least. If it were #'s matching, I would probably keep it that way.
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Find code stamped on the block in front
of the right bank of cylinders.
http://firstgenfirebird.org/firebird...d_numbers.html
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:24 PM   #9
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Keep it a Firebird, anyway the rear quarter panels and tail panel are different anyway.
Matching numbers is a real plus as many arent matching.
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:30 PM   #10
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Keep it a Firebird, anyway the rear quarter panels and tail panel are different anyway.
Matching numbers is a real plus as many arent matching.
Certainly, my Bird is the victim of this. That's when you go LS powered
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:20 PM   #11
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69 1/2 TA clone would be my choice.....My Father had one new when I was in grade school.
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No way i'd convert that gem.
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:19 AM   #13
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Thanks for your input guys. My next question is how to properly identify the engine to verify whether it is numbers matching or not. I know the car was produced with a 350ci by reading the vin number but I'm not quite sure what engine is in the car.

Underneath the passenger head on the block is the code "700616" just below that is "X5" (definitely not "XS")

I've heard that there is a code near the distributor on the rear, passenger-side of the engine block but I can't seem to find it. It might be that I haven't cleared away the grease build up enough :X

Thanks again, guys..
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Old 01-05-2013, 10:23 AM   #14
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Shank0668, I did see your link but I'm still a little confused as I'm reading bunch of codes off my engine that don't seem to match any pontiac codes.
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:25 AM   #15
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I know your motivation right now doesn't include thoughts of selling it but JFTR there was a Firebird to Camaro conversion someone was trying to sell for an eternity on ebay, couldn't give the thing away. Still going to have a Firebird VIN and all. My buddy is a Firebird fan, likes them because they are different "Everybody else has Camaros!" I like the TA clone idea, that would be cool(plus I like the color scheme)! Be a killer at cruise night!

Looks like you're looking in the right spot for the engine serial number ( 700616) and engine code ( X5). The X5 code is for a '73 "High altitude" L-78 230HP 400 w/ Turbo 400 3spd auto put in a "A" or "B" body Pontiac. To be numbers matching the VIN number (stamped on the front, lower face of the block next to the timing chain cover way down low near the harmonic balancer) would have to match the cars, but if it is indeed a '73 X5 engine they aren't going to match. Bad news: non-numbers matching. Good news: you have a 400 not a 350, looks like you need to change your "drives" info.

Link to Pontiac engine codes

Don't know about '69, but in '67 Pontiac being a little upscale from a Chevy, they did a little more suspension work and so forth (i.e. the "radius" rod added in '67 to help with wheel hop, Camaro had only one on passenger side, Firebird had one on each side). So the Pontiac engineers did strive to make the Firebird drive and handle just a bit better than the Camaro.

Congrats on you new acquisition!!!

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x5 is listed as a 1973 400
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:23 AM   #17
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Thanks a million MLL67RSSS and shank0668! I am actually quite glad it isn't numbers matching. I think I might set my sights on pro touring (or somewhat thereof) now that someone did the dirty deed for me haha

Is this 73' 400 identical to the 69' 400 as far as machining is concerned? Or does high altitude denote anything other than a different carb tuning?
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