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Old 01-22-2013, 09:19 AM   #151
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I like how you think.

I'd insist on the continued availability of at least 1LE-level chassis specs, but stop short of ZL1 dampers (unless the damping programming offered multiple choice and/or user tweaks).


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Chevy should do exactly what Ford is doing IMO. The Benchmark for the 6th Generation Mustang GT is, allegedly to exceed, the Current BOSS 302. The next Generation Camaro SS/Z28 (Whichever it is, really the Z28 should be the track oriented model) should match or exceed the current 1LE Package. No more of that handling like a boat BS like the 2010+ Camaro without the 1LE Package...

I think Chevy should treat the Camaro more like the Corvette (Make Higher Trim option parts like PTM and Magnetic Ride Control Available on all model's or at the very least use Bilsteins on the SS/V6 to give an option between Firm and Soft Suspension on the Lower Trims.

Also get rid of the Automatic on the ZL1 and NA Track Models (Use either a Stick Shift or a Dual Clutch Transmission, However I doubt we will get that before the Corvette..., If that's not possible please match the feeling of the 370Z Automatic... It really knows how to kick you back in your seat on shifts)
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Chevy should do exactly what Ford is doing IMO. The Benchmark for the 6th Generation Mustang GT is, allegedly to exceed, the Current BOSS 302. The next Generation Camaro SS/Z28 (Whichever it is, really the Z28 should be the track oriented model) should match or exceed the current 1LE Package. No more of that handling like a boat BS like the 2010+ Camaro without the 1LE Package...

I think Chevy should treat the Camaro more like the Corvette (Make Higher Trim option parts like PTM and Magnetic Ride Control Available on all model's or at the very least use Bilsteins on the SS/V6 to give an option between Firm and Soft Suspension on the Lower Trims.
The ride of the 1LE and Boss can be somewhat harsh for the non-track daily-drivers out there buying GTs and SSs, though...I think it's a good thing to make such superior suspension calibrations optional.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:22 AM   #153
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I would prefer my 6th Generation Camaro to have a Short Shifter come standard for the 6-speed Manual editions. Chevy may also want to consider a Targa top!
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The ride of the 1LE and Boss can be somewhat harsh for the non-track daily-drivers out there buying GTs and SSs, though...I think it's a good thing to make such superior suspension calibrations optional.
Well the nice thing about the Boss 302 over the 1LE IMO is that you can adjust the suspension to soften it up (I can't for the help of me though remember if that is only on the Laguna Seca or across the Boss Line up). However a track oriented car will always be a lot stiffer than than say the GT or SS without 1LE. However the weigh loss should seriously benefit both cars in the handling department. They won't need as stiff of suspension with the weight loss! Again why I said make Bilstein Adjustable's available for the lower trims or allow MSRC as an option (at least on the higher trims)
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Well the nice thing about the Boss 302 over the 1LE IMO is that you can adjust the suspension to soften it up (I can't for the help of me though remember if that is only on the Laguna Seca or across the Boss Line up). However a track oriented car will always be a lot stiffer than than say the GT or SS without 1LE. However the weigh loss should seriously benefit both cars in the handling department. They won't need as stiff of suspension with the weight loss! Again why I said make Bilstein Adjustable's available for the lower trims or allow MSRC as an option (at least on the higher trims)
I understand what you're saying.

I guess what I was getting at was that I think it was wise of both Ford and Chevy to build the GT and SS with slightly more compliant suspensions for the sake of ride-quality for the masses. For that minority of us that would appreciate and use a stiffer, more sporty suspension could opt for the more expensive equipment. But this time, offer those packages from the get-go, instead of three years later.

Even the bilstein adjustable shocks can be pricey for a 'base' model of these cars. And as I understand it, they have two modes; stiff and stiffer.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:49 AM   #156
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I understand what you're saying.

I guess what I was getting at was that I think it was wise of both Ford and Chevy to build the GT and SS with slightly more compliant suspensions for the sake of ride-quality for the masses. For that minority of us that would appreciate and use a stiffer, more sporty suspension could opt for the more expensive equipment. But this time, offer those packages from the get-go, instead of three years later.

Even the bilstein adjustable shocks can be pricey for a 'base' model of these cars. And as I understand it, they have two modes; stiff and stiffer.


I can speak from my experience with driving an M3 (with Bilsteins) as well as my GT500 it's actually quite a difference between the two suspension modes. It's undoubtedly stiffer than say MSRC but not to the degree that some people say (of course I have a different idea of what is stiff compared to the average person, my Camaro for example is looser than Pam Anderson IMO)



I agree that it would probably be too much of a cost to be standard unfortunately...

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Old 01-22-2013, 10:08 AM   #157
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I can speak from my experience with driving an M3 (with Bilsteins) as well as my GT500 it's actually quite a difference between the two suspension modes. It's undoubtedly stiffer than say MSRC but not to the degree that some people say (of course I have a different idea of what is stiff compared to the average person, my Camaro for example is looser than Pam Anderson IMO)


I agree that it would probably be too much of a cost to be standard unfortunately...

And yes I just started a GIF war with you!!!
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Do not disagree, though. I've never driven with Bilsteins...and I'm openly a MagRide "fanboy". )
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:25 AM   #159
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Old 01-22-2013, 12:30 PM   #161
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Chevy should do exactly what Ford is doing IMO. The Benchmark for the 6th Generation Mustang GT is, allegedly to exceed, the Current BOSS 302. The next Generation Camaro SS/Z28 (Whichever it is, really the Z28 should be the track oriented model) should match or exceed the current 1LE Package. No more of that handling like a boat BS like the 2010+ Camaro without the 1LE Package...
I don't think that the 6th gen Camaro is working under the same conditions as the upcoming generation Mustang. It's going to be a bit easier for Ford to set the new IRS GT at or above the current stick-axle Boss level simply because there's suddenly more NVH and ride quality headroom to work with. Once you're at IRS with a fairly seriously developed suspension and wheel/tire package, the gains tend to be smaller.


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The ride of the 1LE and Boss can be somewhat harsh for the non-track daily-drivers out there buying GTs and SSs, though...I think it's a good thing to make such superior suspension calibrations optional.
You have to keep them optional. Otherwise the package would either be unsatisfactory to most of the people at one end of the spectrum if it was tuned for the folks at the other, or not entirely satisfactory to many at both ends if an attempt is made to find a single hopefully acceptable point somewhere in the middle.


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Old 01-22-2013, 01:02 PM   #164
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I don't really understand the "cartoonish" comments about the Camaro. It looks almost exactly like the concept Camaro, which was a jaw dropping design at the time, and still turns heads even today. Not trying to be an A-hole here, but sorry if your not into it, you are clearly in the minority.

I wouldn't mind a little better visibility, but the high beltline is one of the reasons the car looks so damn good. If that was lowered, it would look awkward. GM, do what you must to make the next design just as killer as this one.

Make the car lighter, and feel more nimble out on the road, and you have a winner. If the current car had those traits, it would still be top dog in the performance categories.
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New Hydro Silver paint
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1. Improved acceleration against Mustang variants.
2. Reduced weight.
3. Distinctive styling with cues to the camaros of yesteryear. Refrain from using contemporary japanese or european styling trends.
4. Don't even think about a turbo v6 for the Camaro SS and above. It would be better to eliminate the 'SS than to compromise it with a 6 or 4 cylinder engine.
5. More exciting color choices. For me, the 5th gen left me wanting a bit for enticing color choices. The ABM was a nice start but since it was eliminated, I was left without a suitable replacement (BRM and CRT were nice choices though).


The fifth gen did a great job in resurrecting the camaro. The camaro has to gain a bit more ground in its acceleration and power numbers with the top of the line camaro going forward.
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Welcome to Camaro5, kind sir!

We offer a selection of varying panics du jour, one for each day of the week at the discretion of our fine patrons. All of our dishes are prepared in-house using a recipe passed down for nearly 5 years!

Please take a moment to look over our menu:

Headlights brulee

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Weight a la mode

Interior wish a side of pre-production texturing

Stuffed side-view mirror puffs

And presenting new additions:

No-V8 trifle

Poached new-gen design
Oh my!

You're as surly as I am!!!!!


(...I KNEW I liked you for some reason!!!)


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We ARE looking at your notes.

Some are doable - some are not.

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ah yes -- hideaway headlamps.

Now - before I go further: I LOVED hide-away headlamps on the 1st gens - as well as Corvette and Caprice (68, 69) and El Dorado (67 and 68) --

That said: has anyone EVER seen a 1st Gen Camaro where the headlamp doors align properly?

Also - it adds a ton of weight.

What IS true: lighting comes in several forms today -- does it HAVE to have doors? What about 'hidden' behind grille bars?


I see some good stuff here....but a word of caution: I want you to think about the weight issue. How important is it? Remember -- the car must remain 'refined' as the 5th gen in terms of everyday use - and it must earn a 5-star crash rating. I bring this up because if you look thru the thread - there are many "lose weight!" followed by "Cooled seats" ( +weight!) "Cimate Control" ( ++ weight) "Hideaway headllights" ( + weight!) "T-tops" (++++++++++++++++ weight!) etc.

Take some time and think it thru............we're listening.

(...but while our engineers are amazing, they haven't yet figured out how to change the rules of physics......they're workin' on it...........but...........)
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Blind spot monitoring. My wife's car (Mazda) has it and it's fantastic.

Standard rear view reverse camera. Again, my wife's Mazda has it.

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ah yes -- hideaway headlamps.

Now - before I go further: I LOVED hide-away headlamps on the 1st gens - as well as Corvette and Caprice (68, 69) and El Dorado (67 and 68) --

That said: has anyone EVER seen a 1st Gen Camaro where the headlamp doors align properly?

Also - it adds a ton of weight.

What IS true: lighting comes in several forms today -- does it HAVE to have doors? What about 'hidden' behind grille bars?


I see some good stuff here....but a word of caution: I want you to think about the weight issue. How important is it? Remember -- the car must remain 'refined' as the 5th gen in terms of everyday use - and it must earn a 5-star crash rating. I bring this up because if you look thru the thread - there are many "lose weight!" followed by "Cooled seats" ( +weight!) "Cimate Control" ( ++ weight) "Hideaway headllights" ( + weight!) "T-tops" (++++++++++++++++ weight!) etc.

Take some time and think it thru............we're listening.

(...but while our engineers are amazing, they haven't yet figured out how to change the rules of physics......they're workin' on it...........but...........)
Hmm good point about the weight. Guess we'll just have to fix that with Horsepower!


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ah yes -- hideaway headlamps.

Now - before I go further: I LOVED hide-away headlamps on the 1st gens - as well as Corvette and Caprice (68, 69) and El Dorado (67 and 68) --

That said: has anyone EVER seen a 1st Gen Camaro where the headlamp doors align properly?

Also - it adds a ton of weight.

What IS true: lighting comes in several forms today -- does it HAVE to have doors? What about 'hidden' behind grille bars?

Agree with the fbodfather... Hide aways are a cool concept, but have too many negatives.

I actually think the HID RS lights are spot on. Great functionality, and make the car recognizable.
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fbodfather, thanks for posting your thoughts!



Many great ideas posted so far.



Weight target should be 3400 with a v8.

Continue the 1st gen theme, the next gen will be slightly smaller, and on a different platform so it will look different than our current car. Dont forget 1st gen cues are why the current car has been so successful.

I love my 12', but-

Slim the rear end a bit, current car has a "fat butt" look. 1st gen cars have that muscular, sporty look but have a simpler, lean feel too.

Front end- less pinched, less evil. Still sporty, but like the first gens, cleaner and leaner.

Paint durability, if europe can do it we can too. Strategiclly placed clear film another option.

LED lighting packages. Like the behind grille light bar vs actual hideaway lamps idea.

Updated interior electronics package (color graphics, HD screen(s), many guage display options) abllity to choose from ECM PIDS what to display in HUD or dash info center. C7 and current ZL1 come to mind here.
In dash shift light bright enough to work from peripheral vision.
Yes Fbodfather, auto climate control. A sensor or two and programing, worth the minimal weight gain.

Modern interior with minimal cues to previous generations.

Same LT1 v8 as vette option. No detuning.

No t-tops.

Hold the line on pricing, 35G for loaded v8 trim.

LT HO 4 or DI V6 engine options (sporty, fun, fast)
SS V8, sport suspension (affordable muscle) Mag ride optional?
Z28 V8, with manually adjusted shocks, track suspension (affordable, track capable)
ZL1 Blown or larger displacement V8 (650-700hp), mag ride (top dog)

Yes, the next gen is a huge challange. Keeping the car within weight targets without the use of carbon and other exotic materials that would drive the price up is difficult. Ok, we have to remember this is not a Corvette, but it better be lighter than the next Mustang.

If this is done and paired with these new DI V8s and trick V6's we will have another American Hot Rod that goes in the history books.
Team Camaro you have done a great job so far, LT and SS and esp. the 1LE and ZL1!

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but it better be lighter than the next Mustang....
Devil's advocate....if the Mustang is lighter (again...only this time, it's not as huge a difference due to earning an IRS), yet the Camaro is a solidly-build vehicle and the Mustang is a comparably flexy car....how would you feel?
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