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Old 01-04-2013, 08:05 PM   #18
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the best of both in high performance camaros so far .time will tell if we need to put one in the middle

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Old 01-04-2013, 08:25 PM   #19
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i'll just add a z badge. that will add like 5-10 hp easy.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:39 PM   #20
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There is a way to fix this, buy 1 of all the 5gen cars, 2010 LT 2010 SS then a 2011 convertible in yous trim, now you need a 2012-13 ZL1 and a 1LE and next the hot wheels car and so on.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:18 PM   #21
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what happens IF gm releases the ls7 powered car next year that is said to be all but certian? the car will for sure be a z-28 and have all the same goodies as the zl1, which really screws current 1le owners..

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Not really...that would mean that 2013 would be the only model year that the 1LE was produced, making our cars low-production cars.

And as it was said before, there's always going to be something better. I knew there'd be something better down the road (possible Z/28, a lighter, more powerful 6th gen, etc) so it doesn't bother me.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:34 PM   #22
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I think it MIGHT be "screwing" 1LE owners IF it was a similar price. Even IF, Z28 returns, it's not going to be close to 1LE in price. Who could reasonably ask for LS7 powertrain with 1LE for similar price?

I don't think Z28 returning would/should make any CAMARO-owner feel anything less than happy about the situation. JMVHO.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:47 PM   #23
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IF.....They build it and it is a Z28. The mark-ups will be crazy and the lines will be long to get one. Don't get me wrong the ZL1 is a monster but its not worlds away from the 1LE......
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The 1LE is a great car and it is modeled after the ZL1. If they build the Z28, so be it. Trade up in a couple of years, if that is your choice.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:59 PM   #24
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I suspect many of you have never driven an ls7 powered car before. The power will be just below the supercharged lsa. With simple bolt ons it will be a wicked ride. With that said 1le is not modeled after a zl1 aside from a few styling cues. Suspension brakes rear end engine and on an on are completely different.

If the ls7 or hopefully z28 is in the 40's I will keep my 2010 2SSRS and add a ls7/z28 to my collection. The ls7 really is quite a thrill to drive. Would love to have a 2SS/RS/1LE with the ls7 as an option. I can dump the weight to make it a true successor of the first gens z28 and drive it around the local road courses. The roval in fontana demands this car be made. This car will destroy any competing companies pony car. The ss is already a much better car than the gt. The zl1 is better at everything than the supercharged mustang aside from the drag strip.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:14 PM   #25
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There is also a very small chance the Ls7 is high output 550hp like tye LS7 concept. I would really like to see ZL1 breaks as an option and maybe adjustable coilovers.
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:27 PM   #26
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Not really...that would mean that 2013 would be the only model year that the 1LE was produced, making our cars low-production cars.

And as it was said before, there's always going to be something better. I knew there'd be something better down the road (possible Z/28, a lighter, more powerful 6th gen, etc) so it doesn't bother me.
I can dig that!

Even if the Z/28 releases you can bet I wouldn't buy the very first model year, I'd most likely get the 2nd or 3rd being that they will make improvements. Just like I wouldn't get a '12 ZL1, I'd get a '13 or '14.

The 1LE is an amazing car, if anything the ZL1 owners should be fearing about getting the shaft. 580HP and 426HP, what were the times at VIR again?

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Old 01-05-2013, 04:52 PM   #27
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[QUOTE=MY1STCAMAR0;5995384]I can dig that!

Even if the Z/28 releases you can bet I wouldn't buy the very first model year, I'd most likely get the 2nd or 3rd being that they will make improvements. Just like I wouldn't get a '12 ZL1, I'd get a '13 or '14.

That's why I waited till 13 model came out myself think most bugs are worked out by now. I settle for 3.6 right now until I can comfortably afford 6.2 liter.
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You know, all this LS7 Z/28 talk, whose to say a 2LE performance package with the upgrade engine wouldn't be released and the Z/28 will be released as a 6th Gen.

Just doesn't make sense with 1-2 years left for the current model why GM would release a Z/28.

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"2" seems to be superior, so a 2LE seems possible. YEAH I SAID THAT!
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:29 PM   #29
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I can dig that!

Even if the Z/28 releases you can bet I wouldn't buy the very first model year, I'd most likely get the 2nd or 3rd being that they will make improvements. Just like I wouldn't get a '12 ZL1, I'd get a '13 or '14.

The 1LE is an amazing car, if anything the ZL1 owners should be fearing about getting the shaft. 580HP and 426HP, what were the times at VIR again?
Coming from the guy that bought a 2013 1LE?

I don't think 1LE owners are getting shafted at all. The 1LE is an awesome car, and it's on a completely different level.
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Like I said,....the 1LE is modeled after the ZL1. Not the same power plant or power numbers, but there are things that they both share.

From CAR AND DRIVER Magazine
The 1LE name is plucked from late-Ď80s Chevy historyóthe package prepped a Camaro for road-racing duty by stripping unnecessaries like the radio and A/C, installing different gearing, upgrading the brakes, and messing with the suspension. This new-age 1LE keeps the convenience features but receives similar improvements, many of them sourced from or inspired by the ZL1.

Trickle-Down Trackonomics

Chevy previewed the 1LE package with a concept at last yearís SEMA show. The production model will replace the Camaro SSís standard Tremec TR6060-M10 six-speed manual transmission with a close-ratio TR6060-MM6 six-speed stick and a higher final-drive ratio of 3.91:1. The transmission also gets a cooling system, like on the ZL1. The V-8's output is unchanged from that of manual SS models, at 426 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque. Suspension modifications include a larger, 27-mm front anti-roll bar, a 28-mm rear anti-roll bar, ZL1 toe links, ZL1 rear shock mounts, a strut-tower brace. Beefier half-shafts are supposed to help cope with the improved traction, wheel bearings come from the ZL1, and the fuel system has been upgraded with the ZL1ís high-capacity fuel pump and additional fuel pickups to avoid high-g fuel starvation. The 20x10 front and 20x11 rear wheels are inspired by the ZL1ís rims and are shod with 285/35ZR20 Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperCar G: 2 tires at all four corners, the same ones that come on the ZL1ís front wheels.

The only important items not carried over from the 1LE concept are the ZL1ís magnetorheological dampers. Instead, the production 1LE gets specifically tuned monotube dampers in place of the Camaro SSís standard twin-tube units. We suspect price was an issue there, and that Chevy has decided to preserve some of the ZL1 suspensionís specialness by not offering it on lesser Camaros.

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Old 01-05-2013, 07:25 PM   #31
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You know, all this LS7 Z/28 talk, whose to say a 2LE performance package with the upgrade engine wouldn't be released and the Z/28 will be released as a 6th Gen.

Just doesn't make sense with 1-2 years left for the current model why GM would release a Z/28.

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"2" seems to be superior, so a 2LE seems possible. YEAH I SAID THAT!
The more developed cars are always released later in the generations production run. If an LS7 Camaro is produced you can bet it will be a Z28.
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:37 PM   #32
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I think K1SSRSS said it well as I am almost to that point with my 2010 SS. I think a lot of us would love to see the Z28 return with the 427 and an awesome suspension package. Time will tell.....bottom line is we love em all!
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:23 AM   #33
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BINGO!!!
The 1LE is a great car and it is modeled after the ZL1. If they build the Z28, so be it. Trade up in a couple of years, if that is your choice.
The 1LE is not modeled after the zl1 really... it has its own history and developmental track.... to hear AL talk about it.

The op's dog doesn't hunt... no greater value than the $3500 1LE performance package. If an LS7 Camaro is ever built it will have its own following. No envy on my part... I love the growing Camaro family!!

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The 1LE package is offered on 1SS and 2SS coupe models with an exclusive Tremec TR6060-MM6 six-speed manual transmission. Paired with a numerically higher 3.91 final-drive ratio, the close-ratio gearing of the transmission is tuned for road-racing performance. As with the ZL1, the 1LE transmission features a standard air-to-liquid cooling system for track use.

The 1LE also features exclusive, monotube rear dampers instead of the twin-tube dampers on SS models. The new hardware allowed engineers to tune the 1LE suspension to focus on optimal body-motion control while preserving much of the ride quality and wheel-motion control of the Camaro SS.

Other changes to optimize the 1LE for track-day use include:

Larger, 27-mm solid front stabilizer bar, and 28-mm solid rear stabilizer bar for improved body control
Strut tower brace for improved steering feel and response
ZL1-based 20 x 10-inch front and 20 x 11-inch rear aluminum wheels
285/35ZR20 Goodyear Eagle Supercar G:2 tires front and rear (identical to the front tires for ZL1)
ZL1 wheel bearings, toe links and rear shock mounts for improved on-track performance
ZL1 high-capacity fuel pump and additional fuel pickups for improved fuel delivery during high-load cornering.
Visually, the 1LE package is distinguished by its matte black hood, front splitter and rear spoiler – as well as the 10-spoke ZL1-based wheels, which are finished in black. The functional front splitter and rear spoiler contribute to the car’s on-track performance by helping to reduce aerodynamic lift at high speeds.

Inside, the 1LE package incorporates the ZL1’s flat-bottom steering wheel, trimmed in sueded-microfiber and designed for easier heel-and-toe driving on the racetrack. The quick-acting, short-throw shifter from the ZL1 is also trimmed in sueded-microfiber.

In anticipation of consumers entering the 1LE in amateur-racing events, Chevrolet is pursuing SCCA approval of the 1LE package for Touring Class competition.

The Camaro 1LE package was introduced in 1988, inspired by Camaro’s involvement in Pro-Am road racing.
And what is not listed there... beefier half shafts and red painted brembos (enhanced for track.... still not sure of these details)

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Old 01-06-2013, 12:38 PM   #34
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What are you going to do? Wait forever because something new is definitely going to be introduced next week/month/year?

So far, the 1LE has not disappointed.
Exactly...so far my 2010 SS hasn't disappointed either, just keep adding parts from the newer cooler models
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