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Old 01-09-2013, 07:44 PM   #51
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The original design for the Z/28 used the smallest V8 available, it was a high revving small 302 CI 5L engine. Not a 427. If they ever bring out a new Z/28, I bet it will use the new Corvette 5.5L engine.
Exactly....The COPO used the 427ci in 1969.... Z/28 used a 302ci
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The original design for the Z/28 used the smallest V8 available, it was a high revving small 302 CI 5L engine. Not a 427. If they ever bring out a new Z/28, I bet it will use the new Corvette 5.5L engine.
The LS7 is a high revving SB. The limit on CI was due to the Trans Am series and nothing else. As a matter of fact the Z28 in 1970 had a 350 CI engine due to a TA rule change.
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The LS7 is a high revving SB.
Doesn't matter it's still a 427, even if there is no such thing as big block or small block designations still too many Cubic Inches there in my book plus its a complete different block than the LS3. Not the idea behind the original Z/28.
The change to the 350 was also when the Z/28 started a downhill slide performance wise.
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The LS7 is a high revving SB. The limit on CI was due to the Trans Am series and nothing else. As a matter of fact the Z28 in 1970 had a 350 CI engine due to a TA rule change.
Yep, and the 1970 340 Sixpack AAR Cuda was introduced to compete in Trans Am racing also. It was a good era when dealerships had the saying "win on Sunday, sell on Monday"


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Doesn't matter it's still a 427, even if there is no such thing as big block or small block designations still too many Cubic Inches there in my book plus its a complete different block than the LS3. Not the idea behind the original Z/28.
The change to the 350 was also when the Z/28 started a downhill slide performance wise.
How is it not like the original design? Engine size? It was TA rules not Chevy s. The 1970 Z28 with the LT1 was an awesome Camaro.
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Yep, and the 1970 340 Sixpack AAR Cuda was introduced to compete in Trans Am racing also. It was a good era when dealerships had the saying "win on Sunday, sell on Monday"


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How is it not like the original design? Engine size? It was TA rules not Chevy s. The 1970 Z28 with the LT1 was an awesome Camaro.
I guess your idea of original design and mine are different. The 70 was the second design, complete new body/chassis design and engine, to me second is not original.
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Kind of got off track. Going back to the title, I don't see how buyers of the 1LE are getting the shaft. That would be like saying the SS buyers got the shaft when both the ZL1 and then the 1LE came out.
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I never said it was original. You're welcome to read my comments in the Z28 section where most of my post reside. Trust me I'm a diehard 1Gen Z28 fan.
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To me 1LE owners are not getting any shaft. They are getting what may be the best performance bargain on the planet. While the new Z28 will be a little faster, owners will pay dearly for that extra kick.

Also to me the 1lE is a more pure performance oriented name than Z28. While the first 3 years of the Z28 was related to racing, most Z28 models were just the V8 Camaro and the 1LE was the racing Z28 model. So 1LE > Z28 in those years.

And only people in the know knew what the 1LE was. They did not need badges, they just wanted a car with the good stuff and were willing to live without some of the creature comforts of the plusher luxury Z28.

And while Nav, Sunroof, and all the other electronic goodies may not fit the 1LE idea, it is very cool they left off 1LE badges. The 1LE has only ever been the HiPo Camaro and the owners of 1LEs belong to a select club. Lots of people had Z28s. I've owned 2 of them.
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If they build an LS7 based Camaro it will be a Z28 you can bet on it. And if they build it, it will market itself. A 1LE + ZL1 Brakes + Aero + LS7 = Z28 in every way possible according to its original design.
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How is it not like the original design? Engine size? It was TA rules not Chevy s. The 1970 Z28 with the LT1 was an awesome Camaro.
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I never said it was original. You're welcome to read my comments in the Z28 section where most of my post reside. Trust me I'm a diehard 1Gen Z28 fan.
I have only seen what you posted here and as you can see you referred to the original design in two separate posts. Which is the 1967-1969 Z/28s.
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I have only seen what you posted here and as you can see you referred to the original design in two separate posts. Which is the 1967-1969 Z/28s.
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Can anyone please tell me how we've gone from a typo in a 2014 spec sheet to the LS7 "being all but certain"? Have I missed something??
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Can anyone please tell me how we've gone from a typo in a 2014 spec sheet to the LS7 "being all but certain"? Have I missed something??
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Can anyone please tell me how we've gone from a typo in a 2014 spec sheet to the LS7 "being all but certain"? Have I missed something??
Huh? This discussion has been going on for years check the Z28 threads.
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Can anyone please tell me how we've gone from a typo in a 2014 spec sheet to the LS7 "being all but certain"? Have I missed something??
There were 2 typos if that's what you want to call it. The LS7 was listed as an engine for the Camaro twice. Also, nobody has completely debunked the finding. Was 7.0L a mistake too. Have you read the document?
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The original design for the Z/28 used the smallest V8 available, it was a high revving small 302 CI 5L engine. Not a 427. If they ever bring out a new Z/28, I bet it will use the new Corvette 5.5L engine.
The original Z/28 used an engine that qualified for Trans Am racing that had a 5 liter displacement cap. No other reason for the 302 than that.

A modern day Z/28 has no such cap so why limit it?

I don't think the 5.5L is anything other than a racing engine which also is limited in displacement.
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The original Z/28 used an engine that qualified for Trans Am racing that had a 5 liter displacement cap. No other reason for the 302 than that.

A modern day Z/28 has no such cap so why limit it?

I don't think the 5.5L is anything other than a racing engine which also is limited in displacement.
I was just posting my opinion. Because every time a new Camaro model is rumored, everyone seems to jump on the "It's the Z28 bandwagon"
Just don't get your hopes up....
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I was just posting my opinion. Because every time a new Camaro model is rumored, everyone seems to jump on the "It's the Z28 bandwagon"

Just don't get your hopes up....
Too late for that.
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Too late for that.
LOL, who knows if there will ever be a Z28 in the 5th generation. Here is my opinion again. I think it Z28 will wait for the debut of the 6th generation since we are so far into the life cycle of the 5th.
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If they build an LS7 based Camaro it will be a Z28 you can bet on it. And if they build it, it will market itself. A 1LE + ZL1 Brakes + Aero + LS7 = Z28 in every way possible according to its original design.
Not sure I agree. The Z-28 shouldn't cost more than the ZL1. I'm thinking the Z would replace the 1LE.


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I agree. 500HP/500TQ is easily attainable with the 6.2L. I initially had thoughts of throwing an S/C on one, but I started being reasonable and thought about the balance of the car and the balance of my bank account.

Throw on Heads/Cam (The GMPP kit will work well) add a CAI (you pick I'm leaning toward the VaraRam) and a set of LT Headers add a tune and you will be well over 500HP/500TQ at the flywheel. Doing this will keep the balance intact and possibly improve upon it. Also do the ZL1 brake upgrade.

I kind of figure that the 1LE is something that you want to keep the balance intact and too much weight over the nose or power might ruin the "balancing act" the car has going on.

This is pretty much my plan btw... I'm going in to order her in Mid Febuary. I still have hopes that the Heads/Cam and Brakes will be able to be thrown into the loan. I might change my mind about that though.
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