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Old 01-27-2008, 04:54 PM   #51
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^ IMO it wouldnt make any sense to be testing an engine that they wouldnt use. If i had to guess its a gen V or LS6. The LS6 is in the hp range that they would want to have.
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Old 01-27-2008, 04:57 PM   #52
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Old 01-27-2008, 05:09 PM   #53
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was that a torque guage by the shifter????
I was wondering if that what that was. I like it so far!! Little blurry though but hey its something new! Keep em com ing!!!!
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Old 01-27-2008, 05:15 PM   #54
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I agree that they would not need to test an engine they wouldn't use so I guess my thought is that they are more testing chassis and suspension dynamics. If that is the case I would think that any engine with similar weight would work. I do agree however that if the engine they are planning on is ready for primetime they will be testing with it. I don't see why however they wouldn't use a different engine for tests if the actual one is still having some tweeks. Remember we are still a year out and they mule were probably built 6-12 months ago so almost 2 years out. I think newer test cars could have a differnent engine that the "de-camoed" older mules.

Anyway just my thought I could be completly off base, I just don't want to admit that torque below 400 is possible for the V8 so that may be coloring my thought.
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Old 01-27-2008, 05:25 PM   #55
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I don't get whats wrong with 370 lb-ft. torque. Don't they usually match it with the same amount of horsepower? If so that enough for me!!
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Old 01-27-2008, 05:37 PM   #56
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If you look in the space between the shifter and the gauges, there seems to ba a glossy part. Another readout of some kind?

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Old 01-27-2008, 05:39 PM   #57
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I would probably be ok with 370 also but I had that 400 mark in my mind. If the car is below 3600 lbs 370 is just fine. 400 is better
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Old 01-27-2008, 05:43 PM   #58
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If you look in the space between the shifter and the gauges, there seems to ba a glossy part. Another readout of some kind?

I saw that also I think it is some kind of test sensor that will not be part of the final car
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Old 01-27-2008, 05:50 PM   #59
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As far as the ignition goes, I had really hoped for push button start, but given that we knew that was out, dash mounted is really preferred. I thought a lot of manufacturers were going that route for security. Someone broke into my sons Monte Carlo and sure enough, broke the column trying to get into the ignition. A dash mounted ignition seems much better to me.

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Old 01-27-2008, 06:06 PM   #60
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As far as the ignition goes, I had really hoped for push button start, but given that we knew that was out, dash mounted is really preferred. I thought a lot of manufacturers were going that route for security. Someone broke into my sons Monte Carlo and sure enough, broke the column trying to get into the ignition. A dash mounted ignition seems much better to me.

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Old 01-27-2008, 06:14 PM   #61
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Well, keep talking about the in-dash ignition. Maybe if demand is high enough (I certainly want it) then we can convince GM to do it.

The shifter definitely looks like some generic autozone part put in there so they can drive it until the real part is finished, so I wouldn't worry about it.
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Old 01-27-2008, 06:25 PM   #62
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You have to hover the pointer right in the center of the picture...Jalopnik
I learned that the hard way during the first interior shots.


Anyways.....AHHH!!!! I'm absolutely LOVING the way the interior is coming along.

Things Dragoneye notices:
CUP-HOLDERS
Radio is coming along..Like screen-plastic (very nice.)
REALLY lovin' the center console. looks like a flip-open storage.
Gauges (all of them) = real cool.
Parking brake...meh, not bad - but I can certainly live with it.

Thanks for posting these up!

EDIT...maybe it's a V6??? And the gauge doesn't end on a peak number? Or perhaps it's not flywheel torque, but rear wheel torque??? That would definitely be in the realm of the L76.
I agree, I think there are still peices missing in these pictures as well, I think there is going to be a few metel insert dash parts, the center console is still not complete, it looks also like it's not all put together.

I think I am bummed about the radio look, It may limit the choices on e might have if they want an aftermarket solution, like Navigation ! (I get lost and hate to ask for directions) lets hope GM offers a NAV option.


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I must say, I think the gauge cluster looks a bit odd... but I guess I'll have to wait for better pics. I like what they did to everything else though. the head unit looks awesome.

I think it in keeping with the Retro look, simular to the mustangs, although I think the qauges are a bit deep like the mustangs, it's a feature I did not like.
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Old 01-27-2008, 07:04 PM   #63
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Amazing! I can't believe they have a torque gauge. This car is going to be a hit!
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Old 01-27-2008, 07:15 PM   #64
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I have an observation,
you know the icon that has an arrow that shows you which side the fuel door is on. look at the Camaro Pic. the arrow is pointing to the right, on the concept it was on the left? and we have not seen the right side of an un Camo car yet, just an observation thats all.
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Old 01-27-2008, 07:34 PM   #66
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Welcom to the site Trapin. This little insider tidbits are prety valuable to us.

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Old 01-27-2008, 08:00 PM   #67
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Looks great man!

Frankly, I don't care where the ignition is as long as this thing turns ON.
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Old 01-27-2008, 08:17 PM   #68
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I must say, I think the gauge cluster looks a bit odd... but I guess I'll have to wait for better pics. I like what they did to everything else though. the head unit looks awesome.


Probably inspired by this camaro interior.


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Old 01-27-2008, 08:27 PM   #69
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I have an observation,
you know the icon that has an arrow that shows you which side the fuel door is on. look at the Camaro Pic. the arrow is pointing to the right, on the concept it was on the left? and we have not seen the right side of an un Camo car yet, just an observation thats all.
ok i noticed something after studying the photos closer, and i know its slightly but i thought it was relavent to what he mentioned. when i looked close, it seemed like just peeking out out the rear cover, was an indention... either inm going crazy waiting for this thing to come out or this might be a gas cap type area? look right were it was on the concept idk im just saying wat i saw. like i said i might be crazy. i would have put a picture up pointing out were im talking bout, but my computer sucks . sryhttp://jalopnik.com/photogallery/200...thumb1280x1280
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ok i noticed something after studying the photos closer, and i know its slightly but i thought it was relavent to what he mentioned. when i looked close, it seemed like just peeking out out the rear cover, was an indention... either inm going crazy waiting for this thing to come out or this might be a gas cap type area? look right were it was on the concept idk im just saying wat i saw. like i said i might be crazy. i would have put a picture up pointing out were im talking bout, but my computer sucks . sryhttp://jalopnik.com/photogallery/200...thumb1280x1280
I thought I saw that too. Maybe we're both crazy?

I'll say more about the interior later. I just got my wisdom teeth taken out, so I'm going to lay here on the couch and watch a movie.
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Old 01-27-2008, 08:50 PM   #71
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forgive me if its been asked already...but if the prototype has 370lbs of torque... what engine is it using and do we think this will be the production engine. I know I would'nt do real world tests on a car using an engine that wont be used in production???
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forgive me if its been asked already...but if the prototype has 370lbs of torque... what engine is it using and do we think this will be the production engine. I know I would'nt do real world tests on a car using an engine that wont be used in production???
Someone mentioned that this car pictured might be a V6, I would think that any gauge used would be rated over the max output of the engine used.

Another even stated that this gauge may not make it to the final production
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Old 01-27-2008, 09:25 PM   #73
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First off, I don't know if they would have the max torque displayed on the gauge. The tach shows higher RPMs than the engine is capable of making, so why not do the same with the torque gauge? But why 370? Seems 350 or 400 would be more logical, since those numbers are more common. Maybe this IS the lowest level V8, which would imply 350-400 HP. Still more than the Mustang GT and comparable Dodge performance models.

Second, I am not entirely convinced that the tach and speedo in this car are final. Notice the faux chrome bezels around both gauges? Well, there's no chrome anywhere else on the instrument cluster, only satin silver. The chrome looks a little...odd. Also, those two gauges are small. They look smaller than they should be. I'm betting they are "filler" gauges, probably from AutoZone or whatever, and they are only being used because the real production gauges aren't done yet. If that's the case, then it's possible we will get multi-colored backlighting like the Mustangs, since nothing else would make the gauges take longer to develop than the other parts of the interior. Still, this is only speculation (and a little bit of wishful thinking).

I am REALLY liking everything else in this car. The steering wheel is a little too retro for my tastes, but I'm not complaining. It compliments the whole package. The cup holders are deep, the shifter is short (throw hopefully!), and the parking brake looks badass (never been a fan of wrinkly leather).

I think we're all going to be very happy with the final version. I just wanna know what (if anything) is going between the speedo and tach! I hope it's something like the Vette's HUD.
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Old 01-27-2008, 09:27 PM   #74
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I just saw the prototype last night at the auto show. The pictures don't even come close to the real thing! I am even more hyped now than ever.

I am not so sure about the picture with the gauges and steering wheel, I think its an alien face.
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Old 01-27-2008, 09:31 PM   #75
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I think he might mean concept . . . those prototypes arent autoshow material
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