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Old 01-04-2013, 04:54 PM   #1
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1le owners getting the shaft?

what happens IF gm releases the ls7 powered car next year that is said to be all but certian? the car will for sure be a z-28 and have all the same goodies as the zl1, which really screws current 1le owners..

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Old 01-04-2013, 04:56 PM   #2
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There will always be something better

Like when 2012 ZL1's had the old radio and 2013's got MyLink/Nav.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:12 PM   #3
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Nothing is for certain. If an LS7 Camaro is built I expect it to be priced very close to the ZL1. Most 1LE owners shouldn't worry unless the only reason they bought one was to have a NA V-8. I would like an LS7 but probably won't be able to afford one. The 1LE is awesome in it's own way. The only thing I would add for 2014 is an option for the ZL1 brakes.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:14 PM   #4
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:23 PM   #5
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What are you going to do? Wait forever because something new is definitely going to be introduced next week/month/year?

So far, the 1LE has not disappointed.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:25 PM   #6
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Welcome to the world of "we are going to keep making the 5th gen Camaro better every chance we get" I kinda like it here even though I took an early one on the chin by getting a SGM special edition in 2010. I didn't want to chance getting shut out of the color for a chance at an SS.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:35 PM   #7
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it's not gonna bother me...love my car anyway. they've made changes every year. i'm happy with what i got, and probably won't be able to afford an LS7 model anyway.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:37 PM   #8
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IF.....They build it and it is a Z28. The mark-ups will be crazy and the lines will be long to get one. I really don't want to take the chance on it. I mean how much better can it be than the 1LE? Its not gonna out perform the ZL1 so its gotta fall in the middle of the two somewhere , right? Don't get me wrong the ZL1 is a monster but its not worlds away from the 1LE......Just can't see hoping and worrying over that isn't for certain to be produced and if it is , it won't be that much better than what we have.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:41 PM   #9
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If you are upset because a possible Z/28 would be a great performer, why aren't you protesting the ZL1 which already exists?
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:42 PM   #10
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Then they can sit next to the 2010 Mustang GT owners!

Really though it's not like you're getting a bad car. Sure the 1LE or even the 2012 is slightly better than my 2010 SS, but it's not like you're paying the same price if it did happen. Those cars will cost more and will be sold with a huge premium if they do happen and they will most likely be out performed in a year or two by a 6th gen.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:43 PM   #11
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If you are upset because a possible Z/28 would be a great performer, why aren't you protesting the ZL1 which already exists?
^^^^^ This
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:46 PM   #12
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Reminds me of how bmw does things. Release a "competition package" before the next best thing to keep the sales of the previous generation.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:24 PM   #13
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If the LS7 car is a reality and in the 40's I would jump on it, because it's always what I wanted. I don't think the 1LE guys are getting shafted, because it's an awesome package added to the SS. It's all about price points, you can almost always get your current car up to the performance level of the next step up for less than the extra cost, so I wouldn't worry about it.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:27 PM   #14
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I had a choice, either buying a 2013 2SS/RS 1LE or wait for the LS7 Camaro. I choose the 1LE. For me all the Camaro was missing was the mylink/nav/touch screen, now it has it. The 1LE package was a bonus. I've owned the car for 2 days, and I don't regret it one bit.

I wouldn't say we are getting the shaft, have you seen the recent track #'s from VIR? I say, we set the the baseline for the LS7. If it wasn't for us 1LE owners, you wouldn't be who you are today. You can even say we paved the way...
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:30 PM   #15
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If you are upset because a possible Z/28 would be a great performer, why aren't you protesting the ZL1 which already exists?
Absolutely!

Or just trade-in for the Z28. The Camaros are holding their values quite well.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:59 PM   #16
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Like when 2012 ZL1's had the old radio and 2013's got MyLink/Nav.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:00 PM   #17
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I am thinking the Z28 could be a SS option like the 1LE, includes 1LE suspension and LS7. They have to be careful not to price it out of the market. I think the ZL1 will stay the king Camaro.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:05 PM   #18
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the best of both in high performance camaros so far .time will tell if we need to put one in the middle

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Old 01-04-2013, 08:25 PM   #19
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i'll just add a z badge. that will add like 5-10 hp easy.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:39 PM   #20
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There is a way to fix this, buy 1 of all the 5gen cars, 2010 LT 2010 SS then a 2011 convertible in yous trim, now you need a 2012-13 ZL1 and a 1LE and next the hot wheels car and so on.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:18 PM   #21
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what happens IF gm releases the ls7 powered car next year that is said to be all but certian? the car will for sure be a z-28 and have all the same goodies as the zl1, which really screws current 1le owners..

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Not really...that would mean that 2013 would be the only model year that the 1LE was produced, making our cars low-production cars.

And as it was said before, there's always going to be something better. I knew there'd be something better down the road (possible Z/28, a lighter, more powerful 6th gen, etc) so it doesn't bother me.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:34 PM   #22
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I think it MIGHT be "screwing" 1LE owners IF it was a similar price. Even IF, Z28 returns, it's not going to be close to 1LE in price. Who could reasonably ask for LS7 powertrain with 1LE for similar price?

I don't think Z28 returning would/should make any CAMARO-owner feel anything less than happy about the situation. JMVHO.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:47 PM   #23
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IF.....They build it and it is a Z28. The mark-ups will be crazy and the lines will be long to get one. Don't get me wrong the ZL1 is a monster but its not worlds away from the 1LE......
BINGO!!!
The 1LE is a great car and it is modeled after the ZL1. If they build the Z28, so be it. Trade up in a couple of years, if that is your choice.
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I suspect many of you have never driven an ls7 powered car before. The power will be just below the supercharged lsa. With simple bolt ons it will be a wicked ride. With that said 1le is not modeled after a zl1 aside from a few styling cues. Suspension brakes rear end engine and on an on are completely different.

If the ls7 or hopefully z28 is in the 40's I will keep my 2010 2SSRS and add a ls7/z28 to my collection. The ls7 really is quite a thrill to drive. Would love to have a 2SS/RS/1LE with the ls7 as an option. I can dump the weight to make it a true successor of the first gens z28 and drive it around the local road courses. The roval in fontana demands this car be made. This car will destroy any competing companies pony car. The ss is already a much better car than the gt. The zl1 is better at everything than the supercharged mustang aside from the drag strip.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:14 PM   #25
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There is also a very small chance the Ls7 is high output 550hp like tye LS7 concept. I would really like to see ZL1 breaks as an option and maybe adjustable coilovers.
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