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Old 01-08-2013, 01:03 PM   #1
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Bought a certified preowned illegal camaro!

Just found out my black beauty has had the cats deleted, won't pass vehicle inspection (friend helped me out). Dealership is claiming I did the delete, I'm pretty peeved how this dealership sold me an illegal off road vehicle as certified 110 point check preowned!

Guys what can I do? Do I bite the bullet, get a lawyer or contact chevy?
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:07 PM   #2
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BS, contact chevy. Did you just buy the vehicle? You have 7 days to return it.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:09 PM   #3
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I would immediately contact Chevrolet, can't hurt. You can threaten the dealership with taking the story to the local news, I have heard that can be an effective tactic. I'm wondering if there isn't something you can try through the DMV or something. Somebody somewhere has to care that there is a de-catted vehicle on the loose. Hopefully they accept the story that it was sold that way rather than you having done it. Good luck.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:19 PM   #4
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I bought the Camaro in April, I turned to the only guys I trust about camaros, you guys. Sadly I am ashamed that I am not a modder, it's always out of my price range to do anything but dream. To put this into perspective I thought cars wouldn't even start without a cat.




I contacted customer service and he asked if I could bring it into a dealership to have it reinspected, but not after I get under there with a camera in about 10 minutes.

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Old 01-08-2013, 01:32 PM   #5
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Did you not notice how loud the car was? Comeon I call BS on this.

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Old 01-08-2013, 01:37 PM   #6
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Did you not notice how loud the car was? Comeon I call BS on this.

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I have never driven a V8 powered sportscar and it is quiet compared to other modded camaros in this area. My car does not sound modded or loud at all.


I owned a 2007 350z prior fully stock and they sound about the same to me.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:00 PM   #7
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and a scam. File a claim through their head office
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:05 PM   #8
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Yes your dealer you bought it from should take care of it and put cats back on it, if they give you BS about it, talk to the DMV and see what they say to do.
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You can't take it back because there is not right of recession or lemon law on used cars.
Best bet is to either find a set of used cats to go back on or find a plce that will "pass" it. Other than that it is going to be a fight to get the dealer to admit that they sold it to you like that. I would ask to see the inspection report that they did and "threaten" them with going to a lawyer.....
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:14 PM   #10
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Just found out my black beauty has had the cats deleted, won't pass vehicle inspection (friend helped me out). Dealership is claiming I did the delete, I'm pretty peeved how this dealership sold me an illegal off road vehicle as certified 110 point check preowned!

Guys what can I do? Do I bite the bullet, get a lawyer or contact chevy?
Didn't it have to pass inspection before they could sell it to you?
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:30 PM   #11
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If it doesn't have cats and is not throwing a code, it is probably tuned as well. Thinking out loud here, but I am wondering if you could take it to another dealership. Maybe they could tell you when the ECU was last flashed. If you could prove that the ECU was flashed with another tune before you purchased the car, then you could prove that they sold you a car without cats.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:30 PM   #12
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They must have done there "pretend 100 point inspection".
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:33 PM   #13
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Didn't it have to pass inspection before they could sell it to you?
^This, how could they sell a car that isn't street legal in your state?
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:37 PM   #14
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If it doesn't have cats and is not throwing a code, it is probably tuned as well. Thinking out loud here, but I am wondering if you could take it to another dealership. Maybe they could tell you when the ECU was last flashed. If you could prove that the ECU was flashed with another tune before you purchased the car, then you could prove that they sold you a car without cats.

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Old 01-08-2013, 02:44 PM   #15
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Once you prove, using the method I suggested above, that the dealer sold you a car without cats, see this link here: http://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality...tampering.html . In the state of TX, there is a $25000 fine for selling a used car without catalytic converters. I would see if you could convince the dealer that it would be worthy of his/her time and money not to get a call from the TCoEQ.
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Old 01-08-2013, 03:04 PM   #17
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I bought the Camaro in April, I turned to the only guys I trust about camaros, you guys. Sadly I am ashamed that I am not a modder, it's always out of my price range to do anything but dream. To put this into perspective I thought cars wouldn't even start without a cat.




I contacted customer service and he asked if I could bring it into a dealership to have it reinspected, but not after I get under there with a camera in about 10 minutes.

If you would like, I can review your case and see if things seem to go smoothly. Please let me know.

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Old 01-08-2013, 03:22 PM   #18
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Once you prove, using the method I suggested above, that the dealer sold you a car without cats, see this link here: http://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality...tampering.html . In the state of TX, there is a $25000 fine for selling a used car without catalytic converters. I would see if you could convince the dealer that it would be worthy of his/her time and money not to get a call from the TCoEQ.
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If it doesn't have cats and is not throwing a code, it is probably tuned as well. Thinking out loud here, but I am wondering if you could take it to another dealership. Maybe they could tell you when the ECU was last flashed. If you could prove that the ECU was flashed with another tune before you purchased the car, then you could prove that they sold you a car without cats.
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Once you prove, using the method I suggested above, that the dealer sold you a car without cats, see this link here: http://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality...tampering.html . In the state of TX, there is a $25000 fine for selling a used car without catalytic converters. I would see if you could convince the dealer that it would be worthy of his/her time and money not to get a call from the TCoEQ.
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Old 01-08-2013, 06:44 PM   #21
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seems to me that if they sold it to you as a used "certified" car they should have records of that inspection, I'd ask to see them. ! Most states I believe are required to do an emissions test before resale and that information should be on record also. Your state DMV may be able to check this for you
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Since the OP is from Texas I looked this up.

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Texas law prohibits any person from selling, offering for sale, leasing, or offering to lease any vehicle not equipped with all emission control systems or devices in good operable condition. Violators are subject to penalties under the Texas Clean Air Act of up to $25,000 per violation. Buyers are advised to have the vehicle checked for all required emission control devices prior to purchasing a new or used vehicle.

A vehicle may not be legally sold if its original engine has been replaced with another certified engine but without the related emission control components. Tampering includes the failure to install the emission controls associated with an engine configuration.
I guess according to this the buyer is responsible to inspect or have the car inspected before purchasing. Otherwise you have no proof that the car was correct at the time it was bought.
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You have 7 days to return it.
Where do people come up with this stuff? This is not true whatsoever.
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Where do people come up with this stuff? This is not true whatsoever.
State to state it may be, as well as gm certified does some with a 3-day 150 mile. Link. But if they're talking about the right to rescission, most are misinformed as in most states only applies to purchases at other than the business store of operations such as a door-to-door salesman where all information is unavailable to the purchaser.

As for new cars, I know Buick has a 60-day return policy that can be waived for an additional $500 off the purchase price.
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