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Old 01-16-2013, 06:57 PM   #51
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Ok here is question hope i dont get people pissed how is the 1LE laying down like 402-406 to the wheels ?? when stock is 426 is it because of the different gears ? or what

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Old 01-16-2013, 07:01 PM   #52
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Ok here is question hope i dont get people pissed how is the 1LE laying down like 402-406 to the wheels ?? when stock is 426 is it because of the different gears ? or what

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Thats kinda what we are all wondering...It's not the gears...it still dyno'd at or near a 1:1 ratio in 4th gear. Maybe factory freaks? Maybe a lil' different factory tune? Who know's , but its cool
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:03 PM   #53
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So far i meet a few people that have the 1LE here and one told me he had 407 to the wheels and i was like ummm ok but after seeing this make me wonder
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:14 PM   #54
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So far it is a split... 2 are over 400 2 are at about 375. If any of these 400 cars pan out it can only be a couple of things. A hot tune from the factory and or an almost impossible assembly of parts that were not just within specs, but perfect.

I expected these cars to be at about 385. (+10 for eps and npp) So for me all the dyno runs to date have me scratchin my head. In time the story will be told.

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Old 01-16-2013, 07:20 PM   #55
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This sounds stupid, But does it matter if the cars are in Competition mode while on the dyno or not???
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:37 PM   #56
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This sounds stupid, But does it matter if the cars are in Competition mode while on the dyno or not???
There's a competition mode on the 1LE?

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Old 01-16-2013, 08:06 PM   #57
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^^^ what he said where is that at in the car ?
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Old 01-16-2013, 08:23 PM   #58
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^^^ what he said where is that at in the car ?
In the owners manual it will show you exactly how to turn the nannys off. I believe the button is on the center console just in front of the shifter. Holding it down for a certain amount of time turns off active handling and traction control giving you full control of the vehicle.
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Old 01-16-2013, 08:55 PM   #59
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In the owners manual it will show you exactly how to turn the nannys off. I believe the button is on the center console just in front of the shifter. Holding it down for a certain amount of time turns off active handling and traction control giving you full control of the vehicle.
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In the owners manual it will show you exactly how to turn the nannys off. I believe the button is on the center console just in front of the shifter. Holding it down for a certain amount of time turns off active handling and traction control giving you full control of the vehicle.
You know more than most owners. Comp mode takes a double tap on traction control button. Comp mode is a loosing of the traction control and stalibiltract so the car can be driven more aggressive and still provide some correction if needed.

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Old 01-16-2013, 09:24 PM   #61
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Thats kinda what we are all wondering...It's not the gears...it still dyno'd at or near a 1:1 ratio in 4th gear. Maybe factory freaks? Maybe a lil' different factory tune? Who know's , but its cool
1:1 on the trains still goes threw the rear end to the rear wheels. My guess is the rwhp numbers we are seeing aren't adjusted for the 3.91 gears vs the 3.50s. The numbers match, if the avg is about 365-370 rwhp with 3.50 gears 400-410 would match at 3.91.
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:55 PM   #62
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wonder if electric p/s makes a diff.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:21 PM   #63
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wonder if electric p/s makes a diff.

Most think plus 2 or 3
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:49 PM   #64
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Does the 3.73 make a difference one the dyno? Heard gears dont on show on dyno though. And I really dont know why poeple always claim BS to anything on this forum.
Those are good numbers and will be glad when more post similar results.
I have yet to see a 1LE on the road, going to drool when I do

The gears wont make a difference. People have that idea from when bigger (and heavier) wheels are put on, that it was the diameter that made the change... when it was probably the weight. Dyno your car on a DynaPac Dyno. Watch how much more HP you get by dynoing your car on just the hubs.

I dynoed my GTO with 4.10's and swapped it out to a 3.46, same dyno. The numbers were identicle.

Dyno your car in 3rd gear and watch what happens.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:33 AM   #65
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That is the Dyno OzzySS used, see post 2 on this thread.
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The gears wont make a difference. People have that idea from when bigger (and heavier) wheels are put on, that it was the diameter that made the change... when it was probably the weight. Dyno your car on a DynaPac Dyno. Watch how much more HP you get by dynoing your car on just the hubs.

I dynoed my GTO with 4.10's and swapped it out to a 3.46, same dyno. The numbers were identicle.

Dyno your car in 3rd gear and watch what happens.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:44 AM   #66
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The gears wont make a difference. People have that idea from when bigger (and heavier) wheels are put on, that it was the diameter that made the change... when it was probably the weight. Dyno your car on a DynaPac Dyno. Watch how much more HP you get by dynoing your car on just the hubs.

I dynoed my GTO with 4.10's and swapped it out to a 3.46, same dyno. The numbers were identicle.

Dyno your car in 3rd gear and watch what happens.
But what I am saying is your run was probably adjusted for the gearing what if the runs with the 1LE wasn't adjusted? It's probable based on the ratios.

It could also be a bunch of small tweaks made to be more competive with the boss but I am played devils advocate here, much as I would the stealth increase on a car I own.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:09 PM   #67
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:22 PM   #68
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Need to look at SAE (corrected) Dyno Jet numbers. The rest of the numbers (from dynos) will be all over the charts (based on dyno type and conditions on dyno day).

You could easily see (+20 rwhp) uncorrected numbers this time of year.

We've (Camaro5) also got a bunch of 400 rwhp (bone stock LS3 SS) reported from various dynos, but none from SAE corrected Dyno Jets that I know of.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:50 PM   #69
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Need to look at SAE (corrected) Dyno Jet numbers. The rest of the numbers (from dynos) will be all over the charts (based on dyno type and conditions on dyno day).

You could easily see (+20 rwhp) uncorrected numbers this time of year.

We've (Camaro5) also got a bunch of 400 rwhp (bone stock LS3 SS) reported from various dynos, but none from SAE corrected Dyno Jets that I know of.
honestly a stock LS3 should never been at 400WHP. common senses
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:53 PM   #70
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Here's some more data that you won't see on my pic...
my gears were corrected for, dyno put it at 3.94. Runs were done in 4th.
i was on a dyna pac, so my wheels were off.
My environmentals were similar to tram's at the time we dyno'd.
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:20 PM   #71
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Does the new Tremec in the 1LE have less parasitic drag than the other? Also how efficient are the rears on these Camaros. I know in the past the SWAG was 10% loss for a manual and 15% for an automatic. Is it possible there is some "found HP" in the transmission?

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honestly a stock LS3 should never been at 400WHP. common senses
I tend to think the same way. What is puzzling is that the 1LE clocked a 12.7 in the quarter. How much HP does it take to get a 4000lb car to 111.8mph in 12.7 seconds?

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Old 01-17-2013, 03:14 PM   #73
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4000lbs and 12.7 1/4 mi equals roughly 385 hp


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Just from personal experience some gearing can help. The old 2.73 geared F-bodies almost always dynoed much lower than the 3.23/3.42 counterparts. I've dynoed several hundred cars by now so its not just a example or two or something I've noticed on the internet. Now, if you go from a 3.42 to a 4.56 you will see a loss but it does seem like there is a sweet spot in there. Personally I think the numerically lower gears dynoing lower has to do with wheel, tire, dyno bearing friction at very high speeds.
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The 385 number is what I was expecting to see when I had mine put on the dyno.... next time mine will see a dyno is when I do the headers, ported throttle body, washer relocate and scoop and probably an underdrive pulley. Combined with the already installed CAI cai, I would be very happy with 415 or 420. If it turns out that the first dyno on my car is 100% accurate I will piss a bunch of people off with a 440 or 450 bolt on SS.
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