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Old 01-16-2013, 05:49 PM   #18
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:50 PM   #19
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Old 01-16-2013, 06:21 PM   #20
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no pin. But I keep an eye on the pulley just incase. I think the belt will slip before the pulley spins
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:27 PM   #21
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:37 AM   #22
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I might just wait for a blower system to come out for the LLT. Idk how power will match the turbo systems or the centrifugal supercharger kits though. I really would like to do twin turbo but everyone says they are a lot of maintenance but..... turbos can make a lot more power than a centrifugal supercharger and probably a blower from what
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:11 AM   #23
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I might just wait for a blower system to come out for the LLT. Idk how power will match the turbo systems or the centrifugal supercharger kits though. I really would like to do twin turbo but everyone says they are a lot of maintenance but..... turbos can make a lot more power than a centrifugal supercharger and probably a blower from what
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The problem you are going to run into is tuning the Bosch ECU. We pushed my old LLT to the ragged edge to get a consistent 450 RWHP; at 500 RWHP we started breaking stuff. That was no kit, it was custom built with a lot of stuff that wouldn't be in any kit. So, just because turbos can make more power doesn't mean you will actually see that power. Heck, with my LFX I'm probably at less than 70% of the turbo capacity but can't pump more fuel to it.
Basically, what I'm saying is if you are looking for a kit, don't let the potential power inform your decision. All of them will probably hit the same limit on the LLT. Instead, focus on when the power is made in the RPM range, reliability and price. If you want a beast, then don't buy a kit; have someone build you a custom solution.
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Is there not a way to put a different ECU on the car? I've seen it done with other cars. and say i went with a kit... what would be the best all around kit to buy?


And having someone build a a custom kit gets pretty costly... I've heard talks of 10K for custom and like 5-7K for a pre-built kit but that's another 3-5K more for maybe 50 HP more than what i can really pull out of this car.
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Is there not a way to put a different ECU on the car? I've seen it done with other cars. and say i went with a kit... what would be the best all around kit to buy?


And having someone build a a custom kit gets pretty costly... I've heard talks of 10K for custom and like 5-7K for a pre-built kit but that's another 3-5K more for maybe 50 HP more than what i can really pull out of this car.
We couldn't find a cost effective way to replace the ECU, which is why I traded for a 2012. Most of the wiring harness needs to be replaced, plus you have to sync it with all the other computers and get the VIN matching done. Not very pretty.

I'm not a good one to ask about the kits because I never had one. Mine was the first twin turbo LLT and some of what was learned then when into the RX kit. Never had a kit so I can't really tell you much about any of them except to say don't set your HP desires too high. They will make more power than the stock L99 and LS3, but you won't have the lowend torque on the superchargers.

Take a look at the FI List (sticky at the top of the V6 forced induction section) and look what people are running. Then PM them for details.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:26 AM   #26
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We couldn't find a cost effective way to replace the ECU, which is why I traded for a 2012. Most of the wiring harness needs to be replaced, plus you have to sync it with all the other computers and get the VIN matching done. Not very pretty.

I'm not a good one to ask about the kits because I never had one. Mine was the first twin turbo LLT and some of what was learned then when into the RX kit. Never had a kit so I can't really tell you much about any of them except to say don't set your HP desires too high. They will make more power than the stock L99 and LS3, but you won't have the lowend torque on the superchargers.

Take a look at the FI List (sticky at the top of the V6 forced induction section) and look what people are running. Then PM them for details.
Alright i will do that. Thanks and don't superchargers usually make more TQ than other FI setups?
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Alright i will do that. Thanks and don't superchargers usually make more TQ than other FI setups?
Depends on the supercharger. Roots style superchargers can perform as well as turbo (better if the turbo isn't sized properly), but centri superchargers build boost linearly with RPM, so they don't provide enough air flow to give you the lowend torque to match a LS motor.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:05 AM   #28
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Ah ok i see what your saying now. Btw What size turbo's are you using?
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The Top mount Eaton based RX system is nearly finished and we have been running them on the caddy SRX's for several months now. The crank pulley IS keyed on the LLT & LFX.

Your choices from RX are:

Single turbo
Twin turbo
Vortech/Paxton front mount system
Top mount Eaton based.

We have 23 of the RX systems in use around the world with China growing the fastest. Have them in Russia and the UK as well.

So there are lots of choices for you.

Follow my threads and watch the videos.

You also get the tuning suite AND the cable with any RX kit to keep...yours for any logging, code clearing, tune tweaks. No returning it.

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Ah ok i see what your saying now. Btw What size turbo's are you using?
They are the smaller Borg Warner EFR 6258 model. Two seem to work really well for this size engine.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:33 AM   #31
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The Top mount Eaton based RX system is nearly finished and we have been running them on the caddy SRX's for several months now. The crank pulley IS keyed on the LLT & LFX.

Your choices from RX are:

Single turbo
Twin turbo
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We have 23 of the RX systems in use around the world with China growing the fastest. Have them in Russia and the UK as well.

So there are lots of choices for you.

Follow my threads and watch the videos.

You also get the tuning suite AND the cable with any RX kit to keep...yours for any logging, code clearing, tune tweaks. No returning it.

what are you HP-TQ ratings on these kits? and what are the RPM's that those #'s were hit at? also whats the pricing on all the kits?
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:36 AM   #32
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They are the smaller Borg Warner EFR 6258 model. Two seem to work really well for this size engine.

I wonder if you could offset your turbos with a smaller one and then a bigger one? So that the small one will build boost fast and give the big turbo time to spool and build its boost?
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I wonder if you could offset your turbos with a smaller one and then a bigger one? So that the small one will build boost fast and give the big turbo time to spool and build its boost?
Are you talking about one off each exhaust manifold? If so, sure but then you have different back pressures acting on each cylinder bank. Not sure you would want to do that. Borg Warner makes some twin scroll EFRs (small and large wheels in the same unit), but they are long. You would probably be limited to a rear mount setup if you went that route. They are VERY expensive and most people think the single scroll EFRs are too pricy.
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Yea those are pretty pricey... haha i just looked them up. But yea that's what i was thinking... and yea the different back pressures wouldn't be too good on the engine.
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