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Old 01-18-2013, 09:34 AM   #18
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Just read the FB page. People can be real butt holes.

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Old 01-18-2013, 10:14 AM   #19
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The 350 was a typo on the other thread, sorry!

The numbers are:

Stock:
250hp, 220tq

IPF / Vortech V6 Supercharger:
335hp, 300tq


rear wheel horsepower, DynoJet 224x Dyno, SAE numbers. I will post the dyno chart soon.

The stock 2012 V6 Camaro is rated at 323hp, 278tq at the engine, right? (So 22% loss on this car). That puts this car after the V6 Supercharger at about 430hp, 380tq at the engine. I believe there have been higher numbers posted for this IPF kit, too? The stock L99 SS Camaro is rated at 400hp, 410tq at the engine.

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Old 01-18-2013, 12:16 PM   #20
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Don't listen to them fools lol. Enjoy your car, we all know dynos and FI V6's don't play well.

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Old 01-18-2013, 12:47 PM   #21
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Don't listen to them fools lol. Enjoy your car, we all know dynos and FI V6's don't play well.

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I agree it a 100+hp more and 80 tq gain congrats and enjoy I am sure that with more tuning them numbers will change.


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Old 01-18-2013, 12:50 PM   #22
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Thhe actual RWHP is most likely higher than the dynojet is showing. What we find with the FI V6 cars is most dynos create a resounance or harmonic that the knock sensors interpet as detonation and the ECU pulls timing. It does not do this on the street or the dragstrip and not all dynos. Missionboi's installer has a dyno that does not and his showed 400 rwhp, yet V6owners dyno showed 305-315 and he runs 12.90's so dont let anyone naysay your results. Get to the dragstrip and you should be in the low 13's to high 12's with the actual power gains any of these systems produce (both companies). There are also videos showing these beating V8 camaros and mustangs and challenger/chargers so the dyno is not going to give anywhere near an accurate # and the LFX will produce a bit more than the LLT with the same boost also. I think the land & sea is the only one that dosent cause the timing pull, but I may be wrong. I just know the dyno jets & mustangs cause this.

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The actual RWHP is most likely higher than the dynojet is showing. What we find with the [2012+] FI V6 [Camaros] is most dynos create a resounance or harmonic that the knock sensors interpret as detonation and the ECU pulls timing. [reducing rwhp readings on the dyno]
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We have seen this with multiple 2012+ V6 Camaros on the dyno
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:44 PM   #24
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:52 PM   #25
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Like those numbers. AFR looks solid
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:57 PM   #26
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We have seen this with multiple 2012+ V6 Camaros on the dyno
If you have some chassis ears put those on it. That will tell if you've got real knock. We saw the LFX reporting 4* KR no matter what, turns out it was false. Even when it pulled timing on the dyno up high there was no real knock.
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If you have some chassis ears put those on it. That will tell if you've got real knock. We saw the LFX reporting 4* KR no matter what, turns out it was false. Even when it pulled timing on the dyno up high there was no real knock.
Make sure I'm reading this right....sorry not trying to sound like a dummy lol. Your saying your car also pulled timing due to false knock detected, but in reality there was none and the car could have ran a bit stronger?
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Make sure I'm reading this right....sorry not trying to sound like a dummy lol. Your saying your car also pulled timing due to false knock detected, but in reality there was none and the car could have ran a bit stronger?
That's basically the issue with a lot of boosted LLT's.

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That's basically the issue with a lot of boosted LLT's.

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Yea I understand that, and it is a bummer for sure. I was just asking if he was saying he saw the same issue on his car. sounds like that is the case.
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Make sure I'm reading this right....sorry not trying to sound like a dummy lol. Your saying your car also pulled timing due to false knock detected, but in reality there was none and the car could have ran a bit stronger?
Sort of. I wasn't there when they did this, so I hope I get this all right.

It just kept showing 4* of KR, but it wasn't pulling time. But if you are tuning it and see KR then the tendency is to believe you have some knock and pull the timing in your tune as you add boost. We also saw KR go up to about 6.5* on the dyno but there was no real knock. We think this was the dyno affect everyone talks about. We used a land & sea dynomite so we probably saw less than a dynojet would. Basically Ryan tuned mine up until he felt the could still be safe then checked for KR on the street and it was showing the consistent 4* KR but wasn't pulling any timing. So, it may be that Phastek/IPF went a little more conservative with the tune than needed because they were seeing KR and it was pulling some timing. If they listen to the engine with some chassis ears they can tell if there is any real knock as they add some timing back in.
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Sean, I am willing to bet the real power is around 400 rwhp. Bring it to the track and beat up on a few V8's and that should put any doubters to rest. The customer will be happy and thats all that matters. These make power that is remarkable no matter what the dyno shows due to the KR issue. Thats why we pay attention to what the 1/4 mile results are....that is where it matters. No matter who's kit you choose, they are proven period.

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Sean, I am willing to bet the real power is around 400 rwhp. Bring it to the track and beat up on a few V8's and that should put any doubters to rest. The customer will be happy and thats all that matters. These make power that is remarkable no matter what the dyno shows due to the KR issue. Thats why we pay attention to what the 1/4 mile results are....that is where it matters. No matter who's kit you choose, they are proven period.

This is the next thing i plan to do i , i live just a few miles from royal purple speedway, will report here with a timeslip soon
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This is the next thing i plan to do i , i live just a few miles from royal purple speedway, will report here with a timeslip soon
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