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Old 10-04-2012, 10:50 PM   #1
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Warning to all with OEM HID halos

Took a trip to the dealer today for a problem that has had me confused for a while. I've posted three threads on this issue....with no response on ANY of them. I downloaded owner's manuals, and could not find a part number for the halo part of the headlight. My halo on the passenger side is changing colors, and is now flickering on its own.
There is no bulb number for this. Nothing. I took the car to the dealer today. The last dealer told me the bulbs "change color" on their own. It does say this in the manual, as the bulbs burn different shades of blue/purple, but this is for the INSIDE CENTER LAMP, not the halo. My problem is my halo is now burning bright white and flickering, making people think I'm flashing them! When I took it in today, it was almost a greyish color. I noticed the halo also only flickers on the highway.

I went to the dealer, explaining the problem. A service tech looked at it and said "Yeah, that's not right. If it is getting whiter, it is about to go out. That flickering is probably a wiring issue in the assembly, making the bulb short out. There's no bulb that just pops out, so I think the whole assembly comes premade with it inside." So, we began searching for a part number. He looks over it time and time again. GUESS WHAT? There IS NO PART NUMBER! After about an hour, he comes over with the service manager (very nice lady by the way) and she informes me the OEM HID HALO is only replaceable by ordering the whole assembly. She said she believes it has to be a wiring issue as well due to the bulb still lighting. A new assembly would be the only for sure fix. The bulb in the middle is working correctly and IS the original OEM bulb that was put in the assembly. That part is replaceable, but the halo is not unless you buy an aftermarket assembly....voiding warranty on the headlights and wiring.

Just the halo around the light is acting up. Well, also, these apparently had to be ordered in a PAIR! So, without a warranty....these are $1400 for the pair. That....is more than I paid for an extended warranty, which is covering this. To all who doubt extended warranties....the HID pack alone is worth getting the extended warranty. I've always hated HIDs since I had a 350Z. The bulbs were $800 each for those things. Also, you can't install them due to a special bolt, and there is a time limit to install it once you crack the seal (pressurized.)

If I had to do it all over again, I would DEFINATELY NOT opt for the HID pack. For those that do, consider extended warranty. This....just paid for the $750 warranty I got for 5 years 100,000 on top of the 3yr 36.
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:11 AM   #2
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Why not just replace them with aftermarket halos? Brighter and more color choices anyway. People do it all the time on here. Doesn't seem to be that big of an issue.
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:14 AM   #3
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eagle eyes $289 on ebay. ive had mine for 2 years and there still going strong. good luck
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:24 AM   #4
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Very good info. Glad my warranty is good for the next 6 years
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:27 AM   #5
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^^ pretty sure those won't work on the cars with the OEM HID lamps, those are for halogen lamp replacement.


as for the OP, yeah this is well known in the Camaro world.

not sure why GM decided to design a light that could not have the bulb replaced, seems stupid to me, as the BMW halo rings can be replaced..

But then again all the new Lexus, Audi, Chrysler cars with the LED bars in the lamps are the same way, complete replacement of the lamp housing if the LEDS go out.

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Old 10-05-2012, 11:47 AM   #6
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^^ pretty sure those won't work on the cars with the OEM HID lamps, those are for halogen lamp replacement.


as for the OP, yeah this is well known in the Camaro world.

not sure why GM decided to design a light that could not have the bulb replaced, seems stupid to me, as the BMW halo rings can be replaced..

But then again al the new Lexus, Audi, Chrysler cars with the LED bars in the lamps are the same way, complete replacement of the lamp housing if the LEDS go out.
that kit i posted replaces the whole assembly. so if you want HIDs you would have to buy an HID kit. H9 bulb too. these are plug and play. but if you have a warranty then OP is good regardless. my car didnt come with rs lights and i refuse to pay $900/light or even little cheaper for a used set. but its just an option
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:23 PM   #7
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that kit i posted replaces the whole assembly. so if you want HIDs you would have to buy an HID kit. H9 bulb too. these are plug and play. but if you have a warranty then OP is good regardless. my car didnt come with rs lights and i refuse to pay $900/light or even little cheaper for a used set. but its just an option


I understand, what I was saying is that those lights you posted won't work in RS cars, the wiring is different, they are designed for non-rs cars to upgrade to a similar rs sytle light.

so in the case of the OP they won't work as a replacement for him.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:29 PM   #8
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I have a pair of OEM halos that im selling, they come with the LED bulb to.
Let me know if youre interested.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:33 PM   #9
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If you look in the cosmetics section there is a lot of options out there to help you out with your issue. You can buy some AAC LED halo's and replace those stock ones or you can also buy an LED that will replace that bulb inside that lights the halos. Just do a search in the section. Buying a whole set of OEM HID headlight assemblies is an option but there is so many other options to save you money.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:46 PM   #10
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I understand, what I was saying is that those lights you posted won't work in RS cars, the wiring is different, they are designed for non-rs cars to upgrade to a similar rs sytle light.

so in the case of the OP they won't work as a replacement for him.
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:43 AM   #11
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The halo itself is just a small LED stuck up to a plastic ring. Nothing to change, and if I recall you'd have to break the sealed enclosure to replace it. Then again LEDs should last nearly forever. Could just be a voltage issue. A short somewhere maybe??? Just a guess. Good luck. Me I'm really glad I got the RS package though, it looks great!
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:07 AM   #12
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Took a trip to the dealer today for a problem that has had me confused for a while. I've posted three threads on this issue....with no response on ANY of them. I downloaded owner's manuals, and could not find a part number for the halo part of the headlight. My halo on the passenger side is changing colors, and is now flickering on its own.
There is no bulb number for this. Nothing. I took the car to the dealer today. The last dealer told me the bulbs "change color" on their own. It does say this in the manual, as the bulbs burn different shades of blue/purple, but this is for the INSIDE CENTER LAMP, not the halo. My problem is my halo is now burning bright white and flickering, making people think I'm flashing them! When I took it in today, it was almost a greyish color. I noticed the halo also only flickers on the highway.

I went to the dealer, explaining the problem. A service tech looked at it and said "Yeah, that's not right. If it is getting whiter, it is about to go out. That flickering is probably a wiring issue in the assembly, making the bulb short out. There's no bulb that just pops out, so I think the whole assembly comes premade with it inside." So, we began searching for a part number. He looks over it time and time again. GUESS WHAT? There IS NO PART NUMBER! After about an hour, he comes over with the service manager (very nice lady by the way) and she informes me the OEM HID HALO is only replaceable by ordering the whole assembly. She said she believes it has to be a wiring issue as well due to the bulb still lighting. A new assembly would be the only for sure fix. The bulb in the middle is working correctly and IS the original OEM bulb that was put in the assembly. That part is replaceable, but the halo is not unless you buy an aftermarket assembly....voiding warranty on the headlights and wiring.

Just the halo around the light is acting up. Well, also, these apparently had to be ordered in a PAIR! So, without a warranty....these are $1400 for the pair. That....is more than I paid for an extended warranty, which is covering this. To all who doubt extended warranties....the HID pack alone is worth getting the extended warranty. I've always hated HIDs since I had a 350Z. The bulbs were $800 each for those things. Also, you can't install them due to a special bolt, and there is a time limit to install it once you crack the seal (pressurized.)

If I had to do it all over again, I would DEFINATELY NOT opt for the HID pack. For those that do, consider extended warranty. This....just paid for the $750 warranty I got for 5 years 100,000 on top of the 3yr 36.
I know what you where told is what they know, but they dont know $hit, its 1 LED that you can get for $5 or less, all you do is unsolder the harness it comes with and re solder it to the new LED, and you can remove it without oping the headlights.

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Old 10-08-2012, 11:21 AM   #13
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Sweet, looks just like mine after a stupid deer smashed his head through it!! Where did you order them from? Surely the dealer didn't let anything go for only $5! Got them in red too? I've always thought some red halos would look wicked!! Wish I could rig both on a switch, now that would be sweet!
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There red to if you reverse the ground and power, BUT will burn out with out the right resistor.
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Dude, that is the exact mod I envisoned on the halos since the day I picked up my car!! Nice work,I knew you could do that fairly easy. The remote is a nice touch! I may be contacting you the next time I get a few bucks, nice work!
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:15 PM   #16
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Here's my issue. I had a Caliber SRT4 before this. My brother had an 03 cobra. On BOTH cars, HIDs were an extremely popular choice. When changing to a different HID, there are different gauges of wire that are needed. EVEN if a manufacturer "claims" the product is "direct fit" most are actually NOT created to manufacturer ELECTRICAL specs, just fitment. This means you have wires crossing, arcing, and even overloaded. I have first hand seen what aftermarket HIDs can do. No thanks. I won't knock people for getting them, but I have seen too many people burned by that stove to touch it myself.

Also, my main thing is if you have a warranty, use it. Get the best part. This doesn't just sound like a bulb outtage. This sounds like wiring. I'm glad I was told by someone else my halo was flickering, helping me catch this before it went out. Otherwise, the dealer would probably have just dismissed it as "wear and tear" because the bulb went out "on its own." I would have been the first post of "converted FROM HIDs to standards..."

About the "it's one bulb" comment....I DOUBT a service manager and a tech would "overlook" a $5 bulb so they could buy a pair of $1400 lights....I didn't see where you ordered them from, even after you were asked. I'm definately not soldering a $30,000 car myself. I am also a guru when it comes to outfitting cars with aftermarket red/blue leds for work. Never seen a $5.00 LED....not even from some lightbars I've installed from Taiwan.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:44 PM   #17
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Here's my issue. I had a Caliber SRT4 before this. My brother had an 03 cobra. On BOTH cars, HIDs were an extremely popular choice. When changing to a different HID, there are different gauges of wire that are needed. EVEN if a manufacturer "claims" the product is "direct fit" most are actually NOT created to manufacturer ELECTRICAL specs, just fitment. This means you have wires crossing, arcing, and even overloaded. I have first hand seen what aftermarket HIDs can do. No thanks. I won't knock people for getting them, but I have seen too many people burned by that stove to touch it myself.

Also, my main thing is if you have a warranty, use it. Get the best part. This doesn't just sound like a bulb outtage. This sounds like wiring. I'm glad I was told by someone else my halo was flickering, helping me catch this before it went out. Otherwise, the dealer would probably have just dismissed it as "wear and tear" because the bulb went out "on its own." I would have been the first post of "converted FROM HIDs to standards..."

About the "it's one bulb" comment....I DOUBT a service manager and a tech would "overlook" a $5 bulb so they could buy a pair of $1400 lights....I didn't see where you ordered them from, even after you were asked. I'm definately not soldering a $30,000 car myself. I am also a guru when it comes to outfitting cars with aftermarket red/blue leds for work. Never seen a $5.00 LED....not even from some lightbars I've installed from Taiwan.


HID and LED are 2 different things, and on these cars the halo is NOT an HID but an LED (as posted above).

and you are not soldering a $30K car, you are soldering a $5 LED, you desolder the factory LED and solder in the replacement.


your dealer will not do this simply because dealers don't repair parts, they replace them. Since you have a warranty, use it..

But once out of warranty then you do what you have to do at the price point you can afford.


Stuff like this is not uncommon, it is more cost effective for a dealer to replace the part, send it back to GM who will reman the part and reuse it on another vehicle..

No one repairs things anymore, they simply replace them, return the broken part to the manufacturer who has a third party company that remanufacturers the part to be reused later..



oh and ordering LEDs in bullk yeah $5 is possible, my company order them by the 10s of thousands and we pay about $0.20 per LED, and sell them for $40 if the customer is out of warranty... Why? because while the LED is $0.20 the employees required to wire the resistor in, create the wiring harness and crimp the molex connectors on cost a bit more..
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