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Old 06-13-2009, 01:14 AM   #1
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Thumbs up PlanetLSX.com 2010 Camaro SS Baseline Track Results

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2010 Camaro SS/RS (2SS) Link to pics
6-speed manual
100% showroom stock down to the 37 psi air in the rear tires.
I mean 100% stock. No weight removed, as-purchased.
1,200 miles on the car (2 weeks old)
4,045 lbs raceweight (half tank, and I'm 190 lbs)
Holding RPM between 3500-4000 and slipping clutch out on launch.
Powershifting (no lifting throttle between shifts) at red line (6K-6.2K)
Coolant temps 212-218F
Density Altitude was +2,301 ft (it was 96F earlier today, 88 for these passes)

Three consecutive passes (hot lapped):

13.256 @ 108.43 (2.098 60')
13.194 @ 109.62 (2.128 60')
13.070 @ 109.07 (2.057 60')

Videos will be posted later this weekend.

If I can just get a 1.9X 60' time, it will go 12s in the heat. Imagine what it would run in negative density altitude! Probably 12.70s...

I may try to go back to the track on Sunday to get a 12!

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Old 06-13-2009, 01:30 AM   #2
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Old 06-13-2009, 01:34 AM   #3
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Holy crap. That is pretty damn amazing for stock.

Ive said time and time again all it takes is a good driver and itll be in 12s stock.
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Good job Tony!
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Old 06-13-2009, 07:13 AM   #5
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Details:

2010 Camaro SS/RS (2SS) Link to pics
6-speed manual
100% showroom stock down to the 37 psi air in the rear tires.
I mean 100% stock. No weight removed, as-purchased.
1,200 miles on the car (2 weeks old)
4,045 lbs raceweight (half tank, and I'm 190 lbs)
Holding RPM between 3500-4000 and slipping clutch out on launch.
Powershifting (no lifting throttle between shifts) at red line (6K-6.2K)
Coolant temps 212-218F
Density Altitude was +2,301 ft (it was 96F earlier today, 88 for these passes)

Three consecutive passes (hot lapped):

13.256 @ 108.43 (2.098 60')
13.194 @ 109.62 (2.128 60')
13.070 @ 109.07 (2.057 60')

Videos will be posted later this weekend.

If I can just get a 1.9X 60' time, it will go 12s in the heat. Imagine what it would run in negative density altitude! Probably 12.70s...

I may try to go back to the track on Sunday to get a 12!

Tony
Redline is 6600 rpm. I am assuming that is a misprint or you would have been shifting into 4th before the end of the track. Nice runs!
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Old 06-13-2009, 12:18 PM   #6
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Yeah, using the DA calculator it says you'd be running 12.7. Very impressive.
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Old 06-13-2009, 12:31 PM   #7
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Old 06-13-2009, 04:17 PM   #8
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Redline is 6600 rpm. I am assuming that is a misprint or you would have been shifting into 4th before the end of the track. Nice runs!
Stock rev limiter is 6600? My tach show redline at 6200 or so. I don't run it up to the limiter, it stops pulling after 6200 anyways. Just 3 gears used.
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Stock rev limiter is 6600? My tach show redline at 6200 or so. I don't run it up to the limiter, it stops pulling after 6200 anyways. Just 3 gears used.
I don't know what the tach looks like, but the rev limiter for the LS3 is definitely 6600 rpm. Take a look at this dyno chart from another thread, they ran it right up to 6600, still making plenty of power too. You might want to try holding the gear a bit longer next time.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24556
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The stock fuel cutoff is 6600. Redline is a little lower.
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Old 06-13-2009, 04:58 PM   #11
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Tony-- what were your 1/8th mile splits and mph?
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Old 06-13-2009, 05:00 PM   #12
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Good job!

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I don't know what the tach looks like, but the rev limiter for the LS3 is definitely 6600 rpm. Take a look at this dyno chart from another thread, they ran it right up to 6600, still making plenty of power too. You might want to try holding the gear a bit longer next time.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24556
sure its making power but it already starts to decrease at 6000rpm. wouldnt the rate of acceleration decrease? it would feel like the car slows down if held too long, almost like hitting the rev limiter but not as bad
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NICE!!!! great info!!!

You running 93 octane???
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Old 06-13-2009, 06:14 PM   #14
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Joelster, on my 13.07 pass, the 1/8 mile was 8.512 @ 85.13 mph.

Scooter, yes on the 93 octane pump gas.

I'm going to have to play with the shift points a little, I figured they were about 200 rpm past redline, like most GM cars. That was where I shifted, at redline.
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Old 06-13-2009, 07:06 PM   #15
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sure its making power but it already starts to decrease at 6000rpm. wouldnt the rate of acceleration decrease? it would feel like the car slows down if held too long, almost like hitting the rev limiter but not as bad
What you have to do is compare the HP you are making in the current gear to the HP you would be making in the lower gear. It depends on the car, but the ideal shiftpoint is usually 500-1000 rpm past peak power. Even though the horsepower is down a bit after the 5900 peak, it will be much lower in the next gear as the engine will be down around 4000 rpm. You are right that you can feel this decrease in acceleration once you pass peak power, but you will still be better off staying in that gear (to a point). The longer you hold the gear, the higher rpm you start off at in the next gear as well, so it can make a big difference, depending on the car.
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Old 06-14-2009, 12:11 AM   #16
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Very nice. A mirror of the magazine tests.
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damn nice!! 37PSI in the rears, 2300DA and a 13.07 is awesome.


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You ran 13.0 flat in 90 degree humid air?
Thats really fast for those conditions.
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Old 06-15-2009, 09:37 AM   #19
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You ran 13.0 flat in 90 degree humid air?
Thats really fast for those conditions.
Yessir. I was also surprised. I went hoping for 13.3s in the heat, since the last bone stock one I tested at Hennessey's track only went 13.5s in the heat. That first car only had ~300 miles on it, and the track wasn't as sticky though. Mine had over 1,000 miles on it, and I've gotten familiar with the car and clutch/tranny. Plus, I tend to avoid beating on other people's cars too much, that is why I buy my own.

Even more interesting is that the car seems to get quicker if you do 2-3 consecutive runs without cool-down. The 4th runs went slower, too much heat soak and the coolant temps reach 220-221F on the 4th run in a row. Seems the sweet spot was coolant temps in the 200-212F range. Did one run at 186F coolant temp, and it only went 13.3.
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Old 06-15-2009, 11:27 AM   #20
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Nice work Tony.....Something is headed your way to help lower those E.T.s'
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Your time needs to be added to the fastest 1/4 mile times list.

We also need to update the format and get that thing going. The 1st page of the thread should have the track times on it. Anyone?
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Old 06-15-2009, 10:42 PM   #22
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Old 06-17-2009, 09:43 AM   #23
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Outstanding runs!!! Thanks for the report. Why are the camaros with automatic transmissions SOOOOOO much slower? Also, does it make sense to anyone that our new camaros would run quicker times after say 1000+ miles break-in and and maybe an oil change than brand new off the the lot and maybe 100 miles...? Thanks,

PS I was expecting the automatics to be a little slower, not almost a second slower in the 1/4 mile...?
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Old 06-17-2009, 10:13 PM   #24
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Outstanding runs!!! Thanks for the report. Why are the camaros with automatic transmissions SOOOOOO much slower? Also, does it make sense to anyone that our new camaros would run quicker times after say 1000+ miles break-in and and maybe an oil change than brand new off the the lot and maybe 100 miles...? Thanks,

PS I was expecting the automatics to be a little slower, not almost a second slower in the 1/4 mile...?
what do you mean?
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Old 06-18-2009, 11:03 AM   #25
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I missed the numbers from New Era, where is that posted? I dont recall reading any L99 automatics with low 13's yet (stock). I have seen several manual transmission Camaro in that range though... The one I saw at my local drag strip went a BEST of 13.66 I think. I seen numbers from others in the 13.80-14.30 range. There are a lot of questions on TM, TC and tuning... They look Great no matter what they are running!
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