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Old 01-24-2013, 06:21 PM   #1
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In the market for FI!!

Hey guys,
I don't post a lot but I wanted to bring this up because since Im looking and FI options because i will likely buy sometime this year (hopefully before summer). Since i will be paying a lot of money to add a super or turbocharger I want to make sure I get what's right for me and my car. Obviously this is the best place to get input so here goes.

I'm a die hard turbo fan, absolutely love the feel. But I have never been in a supercharged car so I can't give an opinion.
I am a sucker for the sling your head back feel.
I also would like to keep my gas mileage as high as I can which I know turbos help with that but I'm not sure about superchargers considering they are belt drivin.
Also, this is my daily driver so I want it to be reliable BUT ALSO be 400+ rwhp and remain as reliable as possible.
I've done all of research on the kits available and I'm a big fan of the HPS kit.

So based on what I've said what would be the best route to go?
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:38 PM   #2
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I have the IPF supercharger kit on my LLT and love it. It is a OEM looking kit and the tune is the closest I have seen to the OEM. The gas mileage on the highway is slightly better than before and the city mileage is usuall the same as before (if you can stay off the gas). I preferred the SC over the turbo based on the install of the turbo being more invasive.
This car is my almost daily driver, as recent 0 degrees and snow I have used the subby, but it is a extremely reliable setup.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:58 PM   #3
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Yeah that's what's gonna hurt the MPG is havin a heavy foot! Haha
I just love turbos and the sound o the blow off valve but feel like muscle cars (I know it's not a v8, but still) are known to have superchargers. Know what I mean?
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:26 PM   #4
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Let me ask you this, who's going to be doing the install?

Since you have a 2012, you have the advantage of having an ECU that programs like hp tuners and efi live can get into.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:26 PM   #5
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Don't think you will be diappointed with the HPS solution.

This thread may provide some additional information.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115679
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:57 PM   #6
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Well I live pretty close to HPS which is another reason I was considering them very high on my list but lscamaro would you mind elaborating a bit?
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:04 PM   #7
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Since you live pretty close to HPS, I would definitely go with their kit. I mean superchargers are good and all but they just don't make the torque turbos do. And if you're already a fan of turbos to begin with then even better.

What I meant about the tuning is that the 2010-2011 ECU was a pain in the butt to crack and get a tune for. That's the main reason you see mostly v6 cars tuned by trifecta. They were the only ones to be able to do it for quite some time. Until recently that ipf cracked it.

Well the 2012 LFX came with a more tuner friendly ECU that can be more easily read by other programs and tuned by tuners other than trifecta and IPF. I would personally go to HPS, have them do their kit and have them tune on it on their dyno. I know they just posted a thread a little while ago about a twin build they were doing for another v6 from California.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:10 PM   #8
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Ohhh I understand what you were trying to say now.

But that was honestley the biggest reason I wanted to go with them bc I could get them to tune to their own product. And they obviously know it better than anyone. I would love the TT setup but i won't have that kind of cash to play with (college student). And also do you think the psi run to produce the 400+ hp on their single kit is safe to run as a daily driver? Because I plan on keeping this car untill I die, so I don't want to tear things up. I would much rather sacrifice a little extra horsepower for many more years without screwing things up eventually.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:18 PM   #9
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Ohhh I understand what you were trying to say now.

But that was honestley the biggest reason I wanted to go with them bc I could get them to tune to their own product. And they obviously know it better than anyone. I would love the TT setup but i won't have that kind of cash to play with (college student). And also do you think the psi run to produce the 400+ hp on their single kit is safe to run as a daily driver? Because I plan on keeping this car untill I die, so I don't want to tear things up. I would much rather sacrifice a little extra horsepower for many more years without screwing things up eventually.
If Hunter V6 doesn't chime in here, PM him. He's making 400+ RWHP on the LLT. I think the tuning will be easier with the E39 ECU and the extra fuel capacity of the LFX will make it that much safer. Beleive me, you will love the feel. The twin turbos Cant_C_Me is, and I was, running at about the same peak HP were are real kick in the but. I can't even imagine how fast the single turbo spools up.

Haven't met Chris, but he's has several builds for members of C5 and I haven't heard anything bad about him. I'm not pushing one vendor over another, they have all done us V6 guys well, but he's right next door and it sounds like exactly what you are looking for. PM him if you haven't already and pick his brain.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:22 PM   #10
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Ohhh I understand what you were trying to say now.

But that was honestley the biggest reason I wanted to go with them bc I could get them to tune to their own product. And they obviously know it better than anyone. I would love the TT setup but i won't have that kind of cash to play with (college student). And also do you think the psi run to produce the 400+ hp on their single kit is safe to run as a daily driver? Because I plan on keeping this car untill I die, so I don't want to tear things up. I would much rather sacrifice a little extra horsepower for many more years without screwing things up eventually.
I didn't mean get the twins, my bad. I just mentioned that they had that car there. I too am a college student but am going a different route on my FI "quest". But I think a single turbo will do you quite nicely. It will spool incredibly fast and produce great power. And as gretchen said, the extra fuel of the LFX will make it safer
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:55 PM   #11
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twin snails FTW. Also running the same boost on a sc and a turbo will yield different hp results.

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Old 01-24-2013, 09:02 PM   #12
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Yeah that another reason the turbo was higher up on the list because it produces more hp and torque per pound of pressure if I'm not mistaking, correct? This way I can run a lower boost if I want to to make sure it stays within my reliability criteria. And I ruled out the STS immediately because I want to be able to pop my hood and show off my animal! Hahaha ��
Also turbos have a much higher ceiling and room to improve!
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:10 PM   #13
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I can say I am enjoy my kit the only problem is the weak clutch but I don't want to be bias. If your considering turbos hps and rx ( @ one time I would have said sts to but the more I read about them the worst it gets) is the only way to go they both have singles and twins and like most have said tuning will be a lot easy that you have a 2012. But keep in mind that adding either you will probably need supporting mods for traction. And clutch if it a manual or torque converter if automatic as far as it being a dd well lets just say my car is not anymore the turbo change that because I like it to much to drive daily, but I think it would make a good dd. also the mpg are around 30 when cruising 65 to 70. As far as drag times I need to improve my skill I am better on two wheels so my times are not what they should be will be work on that soon. But if you what pm me I will try to answer any question you have.

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Old 01-25-2013, 11:06 AM   #14
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We have done more with the 3.6 DI motors than any other tuner shop in the US and can do front mount SC, single turbo, twin turbo, and top mount is nearly ready to release.

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Old 01-25-2013, 01:32 PM   #15
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Afternoon Staintrain,

HPS is more than capable and would love the oppurtunuty to provide you with your goals. 95% of our work is Forced Induction! There is a reason our Single and Twin Turbo kits produce more "USABLE" HP and Tq and we make more HP and TQ overall than the competition per pound of boost! FI is what we do!

Here is what you can expect from us with our turbo kits:
For 2013 and from now on,all of our turbo kits are built with Stainless Steel piping for the hotside for either the single or twin kits. All the coldside pipeing is built with aluminum piping. All welding is tig welded in house by our chassis,fab builders. All hotside piping is ceramic coated and the charge piping going to the TB is Powdercoated to your choice of color. We have also switch to only using Precision Race Turbo's. Since the switch to precision turbo's, coupled with our turbo kit design we have been able to produce higher HP and TQ #'s at the same boost levels. For the wastegates, depending on space available, we use either Turbonetics Wastegates or Turbosmart. The A/A intercooler we use flows enough air to support 1000hp. And best of all, since you have a 2012 V6(LFX) we have the ability to do the tuning in house after your turbo kit is completed. With all these upgrades our pricing will not be as cheap as the competitor, however the quality and longevity will last as long as you own your vehicle!

Feel free to call me Chris @ 678-551-8422 at your earliest convience or stop by and take a look at our fabwork we do and the racecars we are building in house, and we can talk further about your goals and your plans.

Talk to you soon!

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The IPF Sc Kit is 100% bolt-on and 100% reversible, it's a low impact OEM design and installs in 6-8 hours. It's reliable HP, less maintenance, self contained so no need to run oil lines and you will see 414 RWHP on a total stock 2012 LFX. See our build in the January issue of GM High Tech starting on page 64. There is a 6 page build with Pre and Post install dyno. Happy hunting!

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The IPF Sc Kit is 100% bolt-on and 100% reversible, it's a low impact OEM design and installs in 6-8 hours. It's reliable HP, less maintenance, self contained so no need to run oil lines and you will see 414 RWHP on a total stock 2012 LFX. See our build in the January issue of GM High Tech starting on page 64. There is a 6 page build with Pre and Post install dyno. Happy hunting!

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That car in the Magazine is mine, and it is fast.... Great kit, looks oem in installation and really wakes up the car. I have over 6000 miles on my kit now and it still gives me huge grins every time I drive it...

You have a nice car, however you obviosly havnt driven a turbo car ..

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HAHA, I have, just not this build. I have been in Redlines Twin Turbo V8 Car several times, it moves...... at close to 900 hp it should. I am working witgh a manufacturer for a twin disc high performance clutch, should be ready fairly soon.
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Chris, will you be at the Pony Wars in Valdosta on the 9th, I will be there..
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HAHA, I have, just not this build. I have been in Redlines Twin Turbo V8 Car several times, it moves...... at close to 900 hp it should. I am working witgh a manufacturer for a twin disc high performance clutch, should be ready fairly soon.
Thats cool. Its good to see you have a sense of humor. I didnt want you to think I was being a azz when I posted that.

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I personally drove this vehicle the other day, quite impressed with the power delivery, smoothness and the overall quality fit and finish of the IPF Kit...

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I like those suspension parts, more eye candy
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