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Old 01-27-2013, 10:24 PM   #1
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A Few Things Chevy Could Learn from the Mustang GT

The Camaro and Mustang are both great cars in my opinion. We are lucky to live in a time when we have such great cars to choose from that are affordable. I had the opportunity to drive a Mustang GT recently, and I found some things I really liked, which I wish Chevy would apply to the Camaro.

1) Track Apps - It's a dash read-out that gives you maximum acceleration in G's for left, right, acceleration, and braking. It holds the readings until reset. You can also time your 0-60, 0-100, 1/8 mile, and 1/4 mile times. Finally you can do braking tests 60-0, and 100-0.

2) Great Sounding Exhaust Standard - you don't have to spend $900 to improve the exhaust sound, because it already sounds great. I think the overall tone of the Mustang GT is better at higher RPM than even the Camaro's NPP. I call it the "wake the dead exhaust". It sounds like a race car at anything over 4000 rpm, and screams right up to 6900. Wow!

3) HID Headlights Standard - you don't have to spend $1350 for an RS package to get HID headlamps. They are standard equipment. It also includes fog lamps as standard, which the RS lacks. The headlights work really well, too, both on low beam and high beam.

How about it Chevy?

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Old 01-27-2013, 10:30 PM   #2
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Yeah I don't understand why HID headlights aren't standard. In this day and age it should've been standard since 2010.
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GM screwed up big time with the SS exhaust, NPP should be stock. I think the track apps are gimmicky, and the HIDs were a throw in to make up for a lack of rear suspension

EDIT: I almost forgot to mention the WONDERFUL manual transmission in the Mustang

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its a shame you have to spend 1650 for 2 brembo's for the rear on a mustang :P btw thats also their 'rs' wheel upgrade, this post will get slammed hardcore to be honest..

There is plenty for GM to learn from Ford but there is also tons for Ford to learn from GM, end of.


I looked at 2013 GT and 2013 2SS and I know basically every upgrade option on both, and in the end it took ALOT of add ons to compete with a 2SS/RS. This basically means if you want an equally equipped mustang you will have to order it...

EDIT: I was looking at some Mercedes SUV's they want 1290 for the HID upgrade on a car starting at 40k so I dont see the deal with a Chevy not coming stock with em...
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its a shame you have to spend 1650 for 2 brembo's for the rear on a mustang :P btw thats also their 'rs' wheel upgrade, this post will get slammed hardcore to be honest..

There is plenty for GM to learn from Ford but there is also tons for Ford to learn from GM, end of.


I looked at 2013 GT and 2013 2SS and I know basically every upgrade option on both, and in the end it took ALOT of add ons to compete with a 2SS/RS. This basically means if you want an equally equipped mustang you will have to order it...

EDIT: I was looking at some Mercedes SUV's they want 1290 for the HID upgrade on a car starting at 40k so I dont see the deal with a Chevy not coming stock with em...
I agree. Both GM and Ford can learn something from eachother....and likely have.

-The Track Apps is kinda cool on the Mustang but be honest.....how often do you really think you'll use it? Unless you are a track star and race your car constantly, I don't see myself using track apps on the street. I think I'd get into trouble fast with the cops if I starting using it regularly anyways.
-I agree on the exhaust. The stock SS exhaust is pretty quiet. Not necessarily a bad thing though considering the preference of most people.
-As for the HID headlights, I think GM will make them standard on all trim model Camaros for the last year of the 5th gen (2015, 2016?). Ford made them standard because 2013 is basically the last run for their S197 Mustang generation.
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Michael...

Reading a lot of posts on here, not everyone wants the HID. I believe also that Chevy made the LS for people that want a Camaro, but, they can only afford that, but still have a Camaro, or, they simply want that version of the Camaro.
I agree with above in that the lap stuff is gimmicky. As far Chevy being gimmicky, I find it is easier to simple change the radio station, make a call, than to try to use the voice-activated stuff. The Buick commercial with Peyton Manning is no where near as good and quick as it is in the commercial
One of the biggest contributing factors why I chose Chevy over Ford is the HUD.
If Chevy could learn anything from Ford, it was be a wider palette of car colors

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Reading a lot of posts on here, not everyone wants the HID. I believe also that Chevy made the LS for people that want a Camaro, but, they can only afford that, but still have a Camaro, or, they simply want that version of the Camaro.
I agree with above in that the lap stuff is gimmicky. My car has the voice activated stuff, but i find it is still quicker and easier to just do things the old fashioned way. you press the button, but you still have to wait until you hear the beep. It is nothing like the Peyton Manning Buick commercial.
One of the biggest contributing factors why I chose Chevy over Ford is the HUD.
If Chevy could learn anything from Ford, it was be a wider palette of car colors
I actually prefer the Camaro colors over the Mustang's. However, I think Chevy needs a good shade of blue that actually sells. IMO the best color is the blue on the hot wheels edition, but that's special order unfortunately.
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I agree with your comment about ford vs chevy colors. At least both companies have a black. I'd like a dark green choice for the Camaro. that'd be the only color other than black that i would think about getting.
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The Camaro and Mustang are both great cars in my opinion. We are lucky to live in a time when we have such great cars to choose from that are affordable. I had the opportunity to drive a Mustang GT recently, and I found some things I really liked, which I wish Chevy would apply to the Camaro.

1) Track Apps - It's a dash read-out that gives you maximum acceleration in G's for left, right, acceleration, and braking. It holds the readings until reset. You can also time your 0-60, 0-100, 1/8 mile, and 1/4 mile times. Finally you can do braking tests 60-0, and 100-0.

2) Great Sounding Exhaust Standard - you don't have to spend $900 to improve the exhaust sound, because it already sounds great. I think the overall tone of the Mustang GT is better at higher RPM than even the Camaro's NPP. I call it the "wake the dead exhaust". It sounds like a race car at anything over 4000 rpm, and screams right up to 6900. Wow!

3) HID Headlights Standard - you don't have to spend $1350 for an RS package to get HID headlamps. They are standard equipment. It also includes fog lamps as standard, which the RS lacks. The headlights work really well, too, both on low beam and high beam.

How about it Chevy?

Michael
On the # 1 How in the heck can it be accurate , if you spin the wheels the odometer will count the distance ,and the clock will measure the time , but !!!!!it still seats in there
Brakes will have the same issue , you lock the wheels and it does not measure anything

2. Not everyone wants/needs to get the neighbors jump out the bed every time you go somewhere
Should I keep on going ?
Every manufactor needs to offer options , the time for the Modle T is long gone
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I Agree on the exhaust part.. for being a v8 engine it should be noticeable in terms of rumble of the exhaust. stock exhaust of the camaro are so weak. it sounds like youre driving a 4 banger.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:46 PM   #11
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The exhaust is the big thing. But I believe most of the exhaust note in the mustang is due to the over head cams.

I would like to see different colors for the ambient lighting
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:51 PM   #12
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On the # 1 How in the heck can it be accurate , if you spin the wheels the odometer will count the distance ,and the clock will measure the time , but !!!!!it still seats in there
Brakes will have the same issue , you lock the wheels and it does not measure anything

Pretty sure it uses GPS instead of wheel spin.
Still not perfectly accurate, but close.
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The Camaro and Mustang are both great cars in my opinion. We are lucky to live in a time when we have such great cars to choose from that are affordable. I had the opportunity to drive a Mustang GT recently, and I found some things I really liked, which I wish Chevy would apply to the Camaro.

1) Track Apps - It's a dash read-out that gives you maximum acceleration in G's for left, right, acceleration, and braking. It holds the readings until reset. You can also time your 0-60, 0-100, 1/8 mile, and 1/4 mile times. Finally you can do braking tests 60-0, and 100-0.

2) Great Sounding Exhaust Standard - you don't have to spend $900 to improve the exhaust sound, because it already sounds great. I think the overall tone of the Mustang GT is better at higher RPM than even the Camaro's NPP. I call it the "wake the dead exhaust". It sounds like a race car at anything over 4000 rpm, and screams right up to 6900. Wow!

3) HID Headlights Standard - you don't have to spend $1350 for an RS package to get HID headlamps. They are standard equipment. It also includes fog lamps as standard, which the RS lacks. The headlights work really well, too, both on low beam and high beam.

How about it Chevy?

Michael
1) The track app sucks, it's not accurate at all. My buddy and I go at it alot and that thing is a gimmick. (Owns the '13 gt.)
No it does not count wheel spin in the distance but the results are still way off. Unless we're running side by side doing 12.5 in 90* weather.. Stock.

2) Even though I agree the Mustang sounds better stock, it does not by any means 'scream.'

3) HIDs produce less forward light. Normal driving you probably don't notice, but on dark highways it makes all the difference.

BTW, the voice commands and blutooth on the mustang SUUUUUCCCCCKKKKSS!

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I have to admit, Ford has had the lock on the mid40s secretary market with their V-6 Mustang for quite awhile now.
ever since the LeBaron was discontinued.
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-Glass roof is cool
-Track apps are gimmicky, but nice
-Illuminated door seals are gimmicky, but also nice
-That mustang (horse) that lights up on the floor is also nice
-Recaro seats are also nice
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I wonder if chebby will come out with custom T-shirts for camaro owners like Ford did for mustang owners?



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Track apps? Just spend <$30 and get yourself an obd bluetooth adapter and torque pro. There's your track apps, and probably just as accurate.
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Apply the following to your camaro:

1) Get a G-tech. Then you can transfer the saved data to your computer as well, and use it in any vehicle with a quick setup and calibration. Summit racing sells them for $200. I imagine if you search the net, you can find a better deal.

2) Get a muffler delete. Cost you less then $200 and sounds better then both the NNP and Mustang exhaust. I got mine for $125, but thats because I let the guys that did it use my car to mock up a few kits for other people.

3) Not sure why it isn't standard, but you can do it aftermarket fairly quick and cheap if Im not mistaken. I don't had the RS package and to be honest, I don't miss any of the features it comes with, including the HIDs. I think the Halos look better then the standard lights, but I can do without.
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You should be aware that the Mustang's inferior suspension, quality, and testing give them more money to throw at these things. GM invested heavily in the Camaro design and long-term viability as a driver. Hopefully, GM is able to incorporate your suggestions with the next generation, but I certainly wouldn't call any of GM's decisions with this Camaro mistakes.
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I think that this is gimmicky too

Some of the Mustangs, you can get the mirrors that displays a running horse on the ground. ooooooooo (sarcasm)

http://forums.themustangsource.com/f...mirror-508040/
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I have a few things that I think Chevy would be wise to follow Ford's lead on.

FRPP- Ford offers a complete line of performance parts that if installed by a Ford dealer will not void your warranty. How about a Whipple through Chevy? Why doesn't GM offer this?
http://www.fordracingparts.com/musta...mancepacks.asp

Better commercials appealing to performance. They did it on the ZL1 but the SS commercial is awful. How about this same type of commercial for the 1LE.


Track apps and HIDs while cool, I had these on my 12 SRT8 Challenger, they were fun the 1st time or two using them, but after that I never played or noticed them.
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The Camaro and Mustang are both great cars in my opinion. We are lucky to live in a time when we have such great cars to choose from that are affordable. I had the opportunity to drive a Mustang GT recently, and I found some things I really liked, which I wish Chevy would apply to the Camaro.

1) Track Apps - It's a dash read-out that gives you maximum acceleration in G's for left, right, acceleration, and braking. It holds the readings until reset. You can also time your 0-60, 0-100, 1/8 mile, and 1/4 mile times. Finally you can do braking tests 60-0, and 100-0.

2) Great Sounding Exhaust Standard - you don't have to spend $900 to improve the exhaust sound, because it already sounds great. I think the overall tone of the Mustang GT is better at higher RPM than even the Camaro's NPP. I call it the "wake the dead exhaust". It sounds like a race car at anything over 4000 rpm, and screams right up to 6900. Wow!

3) HID Headlights Standard - you don't have to spend $1350 for an RS package to get HID headlamps. They are standard equipment. It also includes fog lamps as standard, which the RS lacks. The headlights work really well, too, both on low beam and high beam.

How about it Chevy?

Michael
cant comment on the track apps...

last i knew ford actually had to pipe in exhaust/engine noise into the cabin.

fancy head lights aren't for everyone.


when i did my own comparison the camaro came with so much more standard and at a lower price. a pony car or sports car that doesnt have IRS is laughable...

i am a chevy guy but i like the mustang look the least out of the 3 (camaro, challenger, mustang). while all automakers have something to learn from each other i wouldnt try to describe the camaro as being inferior to any competitors car...especially once pricing comes into mind.

hope ford keeps making mustangs...if they dont what else would the 25-45 year old women drive?
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Lets not forget that Mustang had to play catch up with the Camaro. When the Camaro came out you could get a 425hp 1SS or a 300hp Mustang GT for nearly the same price. It is normal for them to play off each other. One gets a hp increase (Camaro ZL1) then the other gets better (Mustang Cobra). One improves track preformance (Mustang Boss) then the other improves to try and beat it (Camaro 1LE). Competition is great for development. Have you wondered yet, "If the Camaro had never come out, would the Mustang still be 300hp?"
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last i knew ford actually had to pipe in exhaust/engine noise into the cabin.
New cars have a lot of sound deadening in them. On the outside, the Mustang's exhaust is louder.

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A sports car based on a sedan platform weighing in at 3800+ lbs is laughable.
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