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Old 03-17-2015, 10:05 PM   #1
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2014 1Le Tire Swap?!

I was debating on wether or not to swap the stock Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar's to some Michellin Pilot Super Sport 285/35/20's... I have only heard negative things about the F1's , and have heard alot of good about the PSS's. Does anyone have a set of PSS's that could tell me how much better they actually are, and if they are worth the money?
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:16 PM   #2
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The goodyear's are fine. They offer better dry traction and I have not had any problem with them at high speeds in the rain. I drove hours in the rain from MD to Nashville, TN, and did not hydroplane once. Now they don't really warm up if its under 40.

I have also driven them this winter which was very cold here in MD. I of course did not drive in any type of snow or ice, but it got down to single digits. There is a warning about the tires cracking, but they didn't.

Are your tires worn out? If not then you probably would not notice all that much if you did swap.
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:33 PM   #3
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Aside from the low mileage of the gy, I prefer how they feel.

The only bad I have heard about the gy's is they are poor cold weather tires. But look at what they are. I dont expect all season performance out of them.

And mine are crack free after last winter.
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:47 PM   #4
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I track and commute 3000 miles per month and would gladly sell you the set of pilot super sports that are in my garage...Eagles only for me, if you look back at my comments when I first got the car, I was just like you.....Not anymore! I assume you have winter tires or it gets parked?
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Old 03-17-2015, 11:37 PM   #5
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I guess I was just worried because of all the complaints about the gy's not being all they are cracked up to be, and I, just like most, would like to get the best experience out of my car. Yes, it gets stored for winter, I will most likely keep them on for the year. Thanks!
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Old 03-18-2015, 05:22 AM   #6
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I never had the GY on my car but drove a 1LE with them. I love my MPSS much more. The GY are great when hot but the MPSS can even hang in there when it gets cool out and are great in the rain. MPSS are also not as loud with road noise.

Now if you are tracking the car all the time the GY are probably what to stay with, but many Auto X 1LE guys love the MPSS also.
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Old 03-18-2015, 06:32 AM   #7
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Old 03-18-2015, 06:35 AM   #8
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Now that the warm weather is upon us...I'm going to drive on the GY's and see how I like them. There is a new tire coming in Aug/Sept time frame in our size. Been checking tire rack and BF Goodrich g-Force COMP-2 A/S came up as new. Right now it's not available in our sizes, so looking forward to end of summer when they offer them in our sizes. Now there's yet another tire to consider.
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Old 03-18-2015, 07:37 AM   #9
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We have only used the GY's and have had no wet or cold issues. I did have some hydroplaning, but speeds were very high in the rain on an on-ramp, and it was easy to get the car back. We do not face cold weather, here much, but when it is in the 40's they do not grip as well as when it is warmer, but I would expect that with any tire. We are on our second set, and when the time comes, we will get a third set.
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Old 03-18-2015, 07:56 AM   #10
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Anyone who says the stock GY's are crap, isn't fast.
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Old 03-18-2015, 11:59 AM   #11
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I dislike my goodyears here in socal in the winter but when it warms up I fall back in love with them and the fact they are alot cheaper than the michelins. Seem to love picking up nails and screws though. If my wallet wouldn't throw up in my pocket i I would do the michelins. However my fronts are still good so I think for now a set of 305 goodyears out back should hold me over.
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Old 03-18-2015, 06:47 PM   #12
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When mine are done I am ordering Hankook Ventis RS-3 V2.0 http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes

I only drive my car in weather above 60 degrees.
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Old 03-18-2015, 08:37 PM   #13
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Old 03-18-2015, 09:01 PM   #14
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Old 03-19-2015, 09:38 PM   #15
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I have both, I use the GY for track days and the PSS for the street. If a track day was going to be wet or a chance of wet I use the PSS's. They start to fade after about 10 minutes of dry track where the GY's seem to stay good for the whole 20 minutes.
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Old 03-24-2015, 04:00 AM   #16
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Try putting down a 1:22 with MPSS LOL
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Old 03-24-2015, 06:29 AM   #17
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I am convinced all this crying about the Goodyears is just people who don't know how to drive a car like ours blaming their lack of skills on the tires.

Edit: This of course is not aimed at those who need a better all season tire due to the driving conditions they face.
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Old 03-24-2015, 06:47 AM   #18
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I never had the GY on my car but drove a 1LE with them. I love my MPSS much more. The GY are great when hot but the MPSS can even hang in there when it gets cool out and are great in the rain. MPSS are also not as loud with road noise.

Now if you are tracking the car all the time the GY are probably what to stay with, but many Auto X 1LE guys love the MPSS also.
Great post. The Goodyears are great when warm and great when warm on a road track. That is why they are the 1LE tire.

They are awful at the drag strip warm or cold.

They are very poor drivers when cold. The cracking is not the big problem, its the lack of traction even in cool weather. And if you even mildy modify your 1LE LS3 you will want to keep your car in the garage once the temps get below 50 degrees F when on the Goodyears.

I enjoy spirited driving, nothing crazy, and I just cannot trust the Goodyears unless the weather is very warm. Less fun for me. I still have not worn out the Goodyears with my garage queen. Once I do I will switch.
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Old 03-24-2015, 10:38 AM   #19
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There's nothing particularly wrong with my Michelin tires, but in AZ I liked my Goodyears better. I also like how they look better, as well.
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Old 03-24-2015, 04:01 PM   #20
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I had both and here are my comparison notes:

Like everyone else has stated, The Goodyear F1 G2 supercar tires are a warm weather tire. Anything below about 53 degrees and they start loosing traction and full throttle starts WILL result in wheels spin at just about any temp unless you are someone who feathers the clutch (which is bad to do in our cars). See the clutch issue threads.
They work fine in mild to moderate rain. Anything more than that and with any tire you must be careful.

Now, on a race course or auto-x, I give the Goodyears the nod. They are extremely grippy, almost race tire grippy. The PSS also do very well o nthe track, but I could tell the initial turn-in and bite when braking suffered "just a tad" with the PSS (But they are still very close in cornering grip capabilities) and are still very good performance tires.

The PSS tires are a MUCH better street tire and overall tire in my opinion and will last 2-3x as long, so they are worth the price.

There you go. :-)
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Try putting down a 1:22 with MPSS LOL
And try beating Randy Pobst while doing that! double lol
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I had both and here are my comparison notes:

Like everyone else has stated, The Goodyear F1 G2 supercar tires are a warm weather tire. Anything below about 53 degrees and they start loosing traction and full throttle starts WILL result in wheels spin at just about any temp unless you are someone who feathers the clutch (which is bad to do in our cars). See the clutch issue threads.
They work fine in mild to moderate rain. Anything more than that and with any tire you must be careful.

Now, on a race course or auto-x, I give the Goodyears the nod. They are extremely grippy, almost race tire grippy. The PSS also do very well o nthe track, but I could tell the initial turn-in and bite when braking suffered "just a tad" with the PSS (But they are still very close in cornering grip capabilities) and are still very good performance tires.

The PSS tires are a MUCH better street tire and overall tire in my opinion and will last 2-3x as long, so they are worth the price.

There you go. :-)
Indeed, PSS tires are good at the track... for 3 laps! In my experience, they have quickly overheated, and by the time I started the 4th lap, there was not even much squeak left; it was all about greasy tires swinging around enjoying the day out : )

More on my experience below. FYI, I improved my time by 4 seconds when I borrowed my brother's wheels/tires (he also has a 1LE) with G:2s.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...95#post7950995
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Old 03-24-2015, 05:52 PM   #23
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This isn't a drag car mi amigos. The Goodyears have completely the wrong construction and design to be good at the strip on a 100 degree day, much less a 50 degree day. I also do not understand the "wheel spin at just about any temp unless you are someone who feathers the clutch" comment.

Are you also talking about launching the car in a straight line? Why would anyone; ever; slip the clutch while under way? I drove my 1LE to work yesterday, it was 21 degrees out when I left home. By the time I got on the highway (1.5 miles or so up the road), my air pressure had increased by 2 PSI in all tires (which means the tires were generating heat and warming themselves up), and after 5 minutes of 60mph highway driving, the tires were up an additional 3 PSI and stayed there for the remainder of my commute. I had plenty of traction once the tires were up to temp, enough to have fun in the twisties at the end of my morning commute.

This is a track-oriented street car. Track, not strip. It makes many compromises as a street vehicle and doesn't even pretend to be a strip vehicle. Why do people keep referring to the OEM Goodyear's abilities to launch the car from a stop as relevant in any way whatsoever?
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Old 03-25-2015, 08:41 AM   #24
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I also do not understand the "wheel spin at just about any temp unless you are someone who feathers the clutch" comment.
Not trying to offend, but I also don't understand this comment. I never had any issues, and I'm pretty sure I was using the clutch as intended. It's not like you can or are going to do a launch when you're 5th in line at a stoplight.
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This isn't a drag car mi amigos. The Goodyears have completely the wrong construction and design to be good at the strip on a 100 degree day, much less a 50 degree day. I also do not understand the "wheel spin at just about any temp unless you are someone who feathers the clutch" comment.

Are you also talking about launching the car in a straight line? Why would anyone; ever; slip the clutch while under way? I drove my 1LE to work yesterday, it was 21 degrees out when I left home. By the time I got on the highway (1.5 miles or so up the road), my air pressure had increased by 2 PSI in all tires (which means the tires were generating heat and warming themselves up), and after 5 minutes of 60mph highway driving, the tires were up an additional 3 PSI and stayed there for the remainder of my commute. I had plenty of traction once the tires were up to temp, enough to have fun in the twisties at the end of my morning commute.

This is a track-oriented street car. Track, not strip. It makes many compromises as a street vehicle and doesn't even pretend to be a strip vehicle. Why do people keep referring to the OEM Goodyear's abilities to launch the car from a stop as relevant in any way whatsoever?
Living in the south, I do not have to deal with the cold that you do, but agree with everything you said. I let my clutch out the same cold or hot, and yes, do some feathering that will not hurt the car at all. Not excessive slipping, but feathering. And if you are not popping (or side stepping the clutch), every takeoff has an amount of feathering to it, and IT WILL NOT HURT YOUR CAR. Once under way if it is colder, I prevent the tires from slipping when they are not warm by not mashing the throttle. Does one have to drive a 400 plus hp car with track oriented tires different than a Cruze in the cold, yes, but one has to drive it different in the warm as well. I will stick with the GY's because I spent $3500 extra dollars on a car to get great handling and I want every bit of its ability whenever I want it.
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