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Old 01-31-2013, 02:27 PM   #76
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Its the new twin turbo v6...lol
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Crate engines are big business. They will be making those engines for some time no matter where they are located.
True enough, but what % of GM crates are "dry" LS3-7-9s? They sell a ton of wet LS3s and LSAs, relatively, which are assembly line items (read: much less expensive, labor-wise) elsewhere...
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My $ is on an LT1 or new V6 testing.
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It's obviously a V6 Performance Package test mule.
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Old 01-31-2013, 03:46 PM   #82
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They had to do this deliberately to confuse us:
  • V6 bumper
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HID's but unpainted shark fin. Confusion runs wild on C5.

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What makes you think there would not be an Auto LS7?
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There isn't one in the Vette LS7-engined convertible...
Good points, but there also isn't an auto trans on the ZR1 Vette, yet the ZL1 has it and it's faster.
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Old 01-31-2013, 03:52 PM   #83
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unpainted shark fin.
... and pre-2013 wheels?

My bet is this is not any kind of test car bust just a modded '10-'12 V6.
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Old 01-31-2013, 04:00 PM   #84
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I think it would be awesome to have a 7L option in a 5th gen, Z28 or not. I just can't wrap my head around where it would fit on a cost basis. The additional power would surely require some upgraded goodies (brakes, driveline). Suspension would need to equal 1LE. The LS7 is not cheap and I could easily see this car being $50K + to start. Probably many would buy it as it would probably be lighter than the ZL1 which would make it a better choice on a road course.
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Old 01-31-2013, 04:11 PM   #85
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You know - I don't think it'd make enough power to justify, but we don't know official numbers yet.
I agree, the base LT1 would not make enough power for a proper Z/28.
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Good points, but there also isn't an auto trans on the ZR1 Vette, yet the ZL1 has it and it's faster.
ZR1 Vette and ZL1 Camaro have different engines, so your point would be?? And the ZL1 Camaro is faster than the ZR1 Vette?? What part of Disneyland do you reside in?
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So basically we have no idea what this car is? I hope we confirmation about an LS7 Camaro soon. I put off ordering a 1le waiting on this. I hope alk they do is just drop the ls7 into a 1le and call it a day. No fancy brakes or shocks so the price stays down.
They would at a minimum have to install the ZL1 brakes.
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I would be fine with the SS getting the LT1 in 2014 but my money is on the LS7 for this test mule. And who says we can't have both?
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:06 PM   #90
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Just because someone catches a photo of a test car, how the heck can you tell what's under the hood that would lead you to speculate it might be a LS7.

Just the vin card that someone posted a while back? I believe they finally came out and said that that vin chart was not complete nor neccessarily accurate and should not have been leaked.

For all we know there could be most anything under that hood from a LS7, a new LT Vett DI engine, a TT V6, or just a bunch of hampsters.
True, speculation.
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:20 PM   #91
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Approximately when does GM put out new model year information for Camaro? Trying to decide on ordering a 2013 or just wait for a 2014.
I'm in the same boat , want a Camaro now but waiting for a 2014 , i hear July you can start placing orders. Maybe sometime in June info would be available.
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ZR1 Vette and ZL1 Camaro have different engines, so your point would be?? And the ZL1 Camaro is faster than the ZR1 Vette?? What part of Disneyland do you reside in?
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First of all, nice internet tough guy stance. Congratulations on acting like a typical internet punk w/ an attitude toward my post for no discernible reason. No decorum at all, just attack people while assuming you know exactly what people are talking about. No warning shots, just all out war w/out declaring first. Is that how it works for you dude?

The point I was making are both the ZR1 & the ZL1 are the top of the food chain as far as each model goes. The SS and the SS w/ the 1LE Performance Package have the same engine but you can only get the 1LE w/ a manual, so what is your point? I don't even know why I'm bothering to clarify my post for you since you never bothered to clarify what I meant before attacking my comment publicly. Maybe you should think a bit before making crude & classless comments dude. Guys like you just kill me, I bet you wouldn't have the nerve to speak to someone in person the way that you word your posts on an anonymous internet forum.

I also never said that the ZL1 was faster than the ZR1, Cylde. I said the auto is faster than the manual. Read it again before you jump to conclusions and down someones throat. I said "Good points, but there also isn't an auto trans on the ZR1 Vette, yet the ZL1 has it (an automatic trans) and it's faster (than the manual)."

Did I specifically spell out which model was which? No, I didn't. I also didn't say ZR1 Corvette and ZL1 Camaro. I foolishly thought most adults would be able to civilly discuss cars they're passionate about on an enthusiast auto forum w/out someone, such as yourself, coming along trying to disect my comments, trying to make me look like a fool in the process, for whatever unknown reason. Silly me, I suppose I won't make the same mistake again. Good work Cylde, you showed me, didn't you?

Show some respect and some tact before posting that kinda garbage.... or at least learn to ask a question about what someone means before you post replies. I don't know you from Adam, and I don't think I want to know you. Please don't come near my home in Disneyland, you aren't welcome as it's the happiest place on earth, whereas you are the angriest person on the internet.
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If we hadn't seen the vin card I don't think these photos would mean much, but together they could be adding up to something special. If this is as far as this car is actually developed and they're not just changing the appearance for concealment, then whatever this is will most likely not be introduced at the beginning of the 2014 model year. It would have to be considerably cheaper than a ZL1 for me to even consider waiting for it. If we hadn't had the "V-8 sound" comment thrown in, my guess would have been V-6 track pack as well, which I think should still make production. Also I think the lack of the ZL1/1LE/SSX wheels is a good sign for the LS7 argument. A car with a powerplant that significant should have it's own wheels, a never before seen design.
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i dont know how any one assumes that this has a LS7. i guess we can dream though
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i dont know how any one assumes that this has a LS7. i guess we can dream though
How many employees does KGP photography have? They would have to have a ton to always be in the right place at the right time with these "spy" photos. They are obviously paid by GM to take these photos and distribute them to different media outlets.
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Pix of the LS7 engine or...I'll speculate V6 twin TT's

<=== red sensors for TT tuning.
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Same "The Blur" from back in the day?

If GM does release an LS7-equipped 5th gen I will be quite jealous.
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... and pre-2013 wheels?

My bet is this is not any kind of test car bust just a modded '10-'12 V6.
That grille is not available as an aftermarket part. It's exactly the same one on the original test mules. Probability tells us that it must be a GM-owned vehicle.

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i dont know how any one assumes that this has a LS7. i guess we can dream though
I would be happy to see a Z28 powered by the LS7. That would make me very happy. Time will tell.

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<=== red sensors for TT tuning.
I would like a V6FI more than any other powerplant as an addition to the Camaro. It gives the Camaro a new market to conquer that is run by import brands today. GM has a deep history with force-fed engines, including supercharged Grand Nationals and even a GMPP kit for a supercharger bolt-on to the old Cavalier. GM knows forced induction, and I'd love to see it taken seriously in the Camaro on multiple levels.
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i dont know how any one assumes that this has a LS7. i guess we can dream though
I'm going to guess and say b/c it's much more fun assuming the LS7 than it is a return of The Iron Duke.
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They would at a minimum have to install the ZL1 brakes.
There is no need...the ZL1 has beefier brakes, because it weighs 400 pounds more than the SS.
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I'm going to guess and say b/c it's much more fun assuming the LS7 than it is a return of The Iron Duke.
Except that GM's current four cylinder engines are light years ahead of the Iron Duke, and the LTG variant that's going to go in the next Camaro will produce more than three times the HP and close to two and a half times the torque.
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