Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
JUICEDMOTORSPORTS
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > General Camaro Forums > Camaro ZL1 Forum - ZL1 Specific Topics


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-06-2013, 02:24 PM   #18
rexdogg
 
Drives: 2013 IOM ZL1
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: St John IN
Posts: 60
don't know about the taillights, but tugging on the wheel my free the key; now, some of my car guys have suggested that, if the car is going to sit during the winter, a battery charger be put on the battery, because......some of the systems in the car carry what they call a parasitic draw on the battery, so....if it sits for a long time, the battery may well be low or dead.....
rexdogg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 02:29 PM   #19
Deke736
COTW 12/3/12
 
Deke736's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Ashen Gray ZL1
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Glen Carbon, IL
Posts: 3,242
UPDATE: my dad stopped by the house and the battery had ran completely dead. He put it on a charger and was able to remove the key. He left the battery charging, so hopefully it will be full by the time I get home tonight so I can track down where the electrical draw is coming from. He did not check the power wire for the underhood fuse box (though he did remove my power wires for my JDP halos), so that could still be the culprit!
__________________
Deke736 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 02:31 PM   #20
Deke736
COTW 12/3/12
 
Deke736's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Ashen Gray ZL1
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Glen Carbon, IL
Posts: 3,242
Quote:
Originally Posted by Normagene View Post
Looking over all the taillight components, yeah, I can see where they will constantly be using battery power. Fired off an e-mail to the manufacturer and asked what they recommend if the vehicle will not be started for a long period of time. Especially during these freezing winter months. I know that's of no help to you now, but for future reference, it will be good to know what the manufacturer recommends. That way you'll know for sure the cause and how to prevent a reoccurrence. Cant find anything in the instructions that warn about draining the battery. Hopefully I get a response. Not sure how long ago you started her up and for how long (enough to charge the battery) you let her run. Hopefully with a jump/charge she'll start right up! Keep us posted and I'll let you know if I get a response on my e-mail.
Let me know what you hear back. I do not typically store my car for the winter, but I do occasionally go a week or two without driving it. I just have never had an issue with it sitting for that short of period before.
__________________
Deke736 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 02:34 PM   #21
TCAT


 
TCAT's Avatar
 
Drives: Has Wheels
Join Date: May 2011
Location: On Earth
Posts: 5,563
Im sorry to hear about that man. I've dealt with the same battery drain issues with the Technostalgia lights. As was meantioned in a post earlier, this problem seems to be more common than original thought. A representative from Technostalgia stated that the taillights will eventually drain the car in a relatively short period of time. It seems to be more of an issue if the car is only a "weekend warrior", or pure car show since the car won't be driven nearly as often as a daily driver.

I started a thread on the battery drain issue a few months ago. Definitely check it out when you have time.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263174

The only thing that can be done so far (without trying to rig up some sort of switch or ignition wiring) is to just buy a charger. I purchased the CTEK US3300, and used the wiring in the kit to make it a simply plug-n-play application from the post in the engine bay. It's way easier when it comes to where my outlet is located near the front of my vehicle, and I can keep the charger outside of the car on the ground to allow for proper ventilation. Somewhere in my build thread (you'll probably need to search CTEK installation or something along those lines), I have pictures of how I installed everything, and it wasn't hard by any means.

To be honest, just because an owner decides not to use the car as a daily driver, I don't think a battery charger should be needed to keep the battery from dying due to aftermarket taillights. The problem shouldn't occur to begin. However, it is what it is with these Technostalgia taillights. When the time comes, I'll be switching mine out for something else that I already have in mind. Technostalgias aren't worth the hassle, especially since I've had two dead batteries after the installation of the taillights within 2.5 months apart from occurrences.
TCAT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 02:50 PM   #22
ZED SLED


 
ZED SLED's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 CRT ZL1 Vert M6, 2015 Terrain
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Cortland, NY
Posts: 5,546
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldman View Post
Go to your manual and in driving and operating there's a paragraph on Key Lock Release. I have a 2010 and it's on page 8-19. Yours is probably in that area. Hope this helps.
^This, if you have an auto there is a plug on the column under the key you can remove, then stick in a screwdriver and remove the key.
__________________
Under hood airbrush by JT's Custom Paint Garage
Moroso CC, CAI Inc intake


(Click above image to learn about UpstateC5)
ZED SLED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 02:54 PM   #23
DwRed1LTV6


 
Drives: '11 VR 2LT HHr
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Gateway to the West
Posts: 2,723
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deke736 View Post
Thanks! I hope it's a simple fix. Are you in the St. Louis area? I am too- I live in Glen Carbon, IL but work over in Sunset Hills, MO.
Yea i am over in Granite City !
__________________
2011 Hhr
Formerly known as Silver85IrocZ !!

DwRed1LTV6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 03:22 PM   #24
Deke736
COTW 12/3/12
 
Deke736's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Ashen Gray ZL1
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Glen Carbon, IL
Posts: 3,242
Quote:
Originally Posted by TCAT View Post
Im sorry to hear about that man. I've dealt with the same battery drain issues with the Technostalgia lights. As was meantioned in a post earlier, this problem seems to be more common than original thought. A representative from Technostalgia stated that the taillights will eventually drain the car in a relatively short period of time. It seems to be more of an issue if the car is only a "weekend warrior", or pure car show since the car won't be driven nearly as often as a daily driver.

I started a thread on the battery drain issue a few months ago. Definitely check it out when you have time.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263174

The only thing that can be done so far (without trying to rig up some sort of switch or ignition wiring) is to just buy a charger. I purchased the CTEK US3300, and used the wiring in the kit to make it a simply plug-n-play application from the post in the engine bay. It's way easier when it comes to where my outlet is located near the front of my vehicle, and I can keep the charger outside of the car on the ground to allow for proper ventilation. Somewhere in my build thread (you'll probably need to search CTEK installation or something along those lines), I have pictures of how I installed everything, and it wasn't hard by any means.

To be honest, just because an owner decides not to use the car as a daily driver, I don't think a battery charger should be needed to keep the battery from dying due to aftermarket taillights. The problem shouldn't occur to begin. However, it is what it is with these Technostalgia taillights. When the time comes, I'll be switching mine out for something else that I already have in mind. Technostalgias aren't worth the hassle, especially since I've had two dead batteries after the installation of the taillights within 2.5 months apart from occurrences.
Thanks man! I have been following your thread hoping the same problem doesn't happen to me. I am still not convinced the tails are the cause of the problem (at least that is what I am telling myself) until I can spend a little time tonight checking everything out. I have had my taillights in since July without a single issue until today, and it has sat for longer periods previously. I am really hoping I just didn't tighten the fuse box power wire down when I was testing the AAC scanner last week and it caused a slow drain over the past week. Worse cast, I will hook up my battery tender during extended periods of sitting.
__________________
Deke736 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 03:25 PM   #25
TCAT


 
TCAT's Avatar
 
Drives: Has Wheels
Join Date: May 2011
Location: On Earth
Posts: 5,563
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deke736 View Post
Thanks man! I have been following your thread hoping the same problem doesn't happen to me. I am still not convinced the tails are the cause of the problem (at least that is what I am telling myself) until I can spend a little time tonight checking everything out. I have had my taillights in since July without a single issue until today, and it has sat for longer periods previously. I am really hoping I just didn't tighten the fuse box power wire down when I was testing the AAC scanner last week and it caused a slow drain over the past week. Worse cast, I will hook up my battery tender during extended periods of sitting.
Very true man, as you may be in luck considering you've had them for long enough with any occurrences before. It may be something incredibly simple like you stated. Good luck and I hope you find it soon!
TCAT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 03:35 PM   #26
Normagene


 
Normagene's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Ashen Gray M6 ZL1
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: South Eastern, Mass
Posts: 2,553
Deke736. Got a fast response, that's good customer service in my opinion. Anyway, 6700x and 6701x always draw electrical current. Approx .090 amperes. If the car is driven once a week, the car battery can maintain enough reserve to start the car w/o any problems. However, 90 milliamps will drain a car battery over a longer period of time. Exacerbated by other aftermarket equipment that require direct battery connections.
For long term storage: 1. Disconnect the negative battery terminal. 2. Use a trickle battery charger. 3. Disconnect the pink wire that goes from the lights to positive battery terminal. 4. Connect the pink wire from the lights to a wire in the car that has constant voltage when the ignition is "on" Note that with this method, the "show" mode will only work when the key is in the "on" or "acc" position.

I like #4, I'll probably connect mine that way, the show mode is no big deal for me. Got this info from www.cool-leds.com if you want to check it out yourself. They do say the "show mode" will engage when the car battery voltage drops below about 90 volts. Hope this helps. Should be posted in the instructions or at least included on a separate sheet of paper.
Normagene is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 04:27 PM   #27
Deke736
COTW 12/3/12
 
Deke736's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Ashen Gray ZL1
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Glen Carbon, IL
Posts: 3,242
Quote:
Originally Posted by Normagene View Post
Deke736. Got a fast response, that's good customer service in my opinion. Anyway, 6700x and 6701x always draw electrical current. Approx .090 amperes. If the car is driven once a week, the car battery can maintain enough reserve to start the car w/o any problems. However, 90 milliamps will drain a car battery over a longer period of time. Exacerbated by other aftermarket equipment that require direct battery connections.
For long term storage: 1. Disconnect the negative battery terminal. 2. Use a trickle battery charger. 3. Disconnect the pink wire that goes from the lights to positive battery terminal. 4. Connect the pink wire from the lights to a wire in the car that has constant voltage when the ignition is "on" Note that with this method, the "show" mode will only work when the key is in the "on" or "acc" position.

I like #4, I'll probably connect mine that way, the show mode is no big deal for me. Got this info from www.cool-leds.com if you want to check it out yourself. They do say the "show mode" will engage when the car battery voltage drops below about 90 volts. Hope this helps. Should be posted in the instructions or at least included on a separate sheet of paper.
Thanks Normagene! Just to be safe I may follow #4, even if that's not the issue today. I only use show mode every once in a while, so that's not an issue for me. I appreciate your help!
__________________
Deke736 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 04:46 PM   #28
Normagene


 
Normagene's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Ashen Gray M6 ZL1
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: South Eastern, Mass
Posts: 2,553
Sent them another e-mail specifically on that #4. Asked if I can permanently connect them using that procedure, and will that no longer put a drain on the battery? Let you know what they say. Good job Dad! You must be super happy, and how nice is that, you're able to have Dad come over and trouble shoot. Hope you hand him the keys from time to time and let Dad do a few burnouts! Yeah, I told them that the "show mode" isn't really important to me, can't really think of anytime I would ever use it. I'd be much happier knowing there's no drain on the battery. Plus with the mild to wild and whatever else I connect, lots of juice is being used. I'll have to make a habit of starting her up at least once a week, even if the weather doesn't permit me to take her for a spin.
Normagene is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 04:59 PM   #29
Rhyder


 
Drives: 2012 45 Anniversary Vert
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: atlanta
Posts: 2,491
I've complained about this, you can not remove the key if the battery dies, Im guessing its part of the security, but it is not a great idea that if my battery dies while driving in a no cell signal area, I have to leave my car with the key in it on the side of the road and anyone driving by with jumper cables can then just drive off with it.

I was told it is not considered an issue and will not be addressed.
Rhyder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 05:31 PM   #30
TCAT


 
TCAT's Avatar
 
Drives: Has Wheels
Join Date: May 2011
Location: On Earth
Posts: 5,563
Also, keep in mind that the battery drain issue myself and many others are experiencing with the Technostalgias DON'T even have show mode activated. LOL

The show mode wire is tucked away, shrink wrapped, and not grounded whatsoever. The show mode that is experienced is only when the car battery is at low voltage. Originally, many people thought that the show mode wire may be grounding on accident an activated the lights and draining the battery. This could be occurring to someone not cowering up the wire correctly to prevent this from occurring, but most of us have prevented that from the start.
TCAT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 06:34 PM   #31
Normagene


 
Normagene's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Ashen Gray M6 ZL1
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: South Eastern, Mass
Posts: 2,553
Is she back in business? All recharged and ready to go! Let me know what you decide to do with your taillights? How you're going to rewire or come up with a solution that will NOT drain the battery. I read the entire thread (13 pgs) so far on this issue. Some complicated solutions some have suggested. I'd like your opinion on how to solve the problem, seems to be on going and the manufacturer hasn't come up with a fix as of yet. Other than a battery tender. Don't care for that idea to much. You have the best looking AGM I've seen. Good luck.
Normagene is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 06:38 PM   #32
Normagene


 
Normagene's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Ashen Gray M6 ZL1
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: South Eastern, Mass
Posts: 2,553
February 5, 2013
To: All Technostalgia Dealers
Re: Long Term Storage of Gen 5 Camaros with Technostalgia Part 6700x or 6701x
Technostalgia part numbers 6700x and 6701x, per our installation instructions, requires a direct connection to the car’s positive battery terminal. This direct battery connection allows for the “show” mode to operate while the car is not running. However, this connection also draws a constant electrical current of approximately .090 amperes from the battery. If the car is driven once a week, the car battery can maintain enough reserve to start the car without problem. However, 90 milliamps will drain a car battery over a longer period of time. This can be exacerbated by other aftermarket equipment that require a direct battery connection, particularly, powered stereo amplifiers.
Customers may notice, after storing their cars for a period of time, that the show mode may be “on” even though the purple wire is disconnected from ground. The show mode will engage when the car battery voltage drops below about 9 volts. Note that the show mode is an indicator of a low battery, not the cause as may be suspected.
For long term vehicle storage, employ at least one these methods:
1. Disconnect the negative battery terminal.
2. Use a trickle battery charger.
3. Disconnect the “pink” wire that goes from the Technostalgia lights to the positive battery terminal.
4. Connect the “pink” wire from the Technostalgia lights to a wire in the car that has constant voltage only when the ignition is “on.” Note that with this method, the “show” mode will only work when the key is in the “on” or “acc” position.

This is what I got when I asked about the battery draining problem. Also e-mailed Todd again asking if I can permanently install using step 4 above. And some install instructions using step 4, oh and does that solve the draining battery problem? Waiting for a response, by the time my e-mail went out they were probably closed for the day. I'll let you know when/if I hear anything.
Normagene is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 08:57 PM   #33
DrkPhx

 
DrkPhx's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 Triple Black ZL1 / 2006 TB SS
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: St Michael, MN
Posts: 1,543
Is the key still stuck in the ignition? If so, the steering wheel is probably locked preventing removal of the key. Trying turning the steering wheel either way and see if that helps.
DrkPhx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2013, 09:48 PM   #34
Deke736
COTW 12/3/12
 
Deke736's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Ashen Gray ZL1
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Glen Carbon, IL
Posts: 3,242
The key is out of the ignition and the car starts right up after charging. And it is nice having dad right up the street to help out. I do the same for him though, so it all works out! It did not turn out to be a loose wire like I thought. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find a source for the drain, so for now I am going to assume its the taillights until I can spend more time trying to track the source. I do have some other LEDs on a constant power source, but they are all switched, but I will check those out as well. I have my trickle charger on it for now, and I vow to DRIVE it more! It actually killed me to let it sit as long as it did, but it's been wet and we got some snow over the weekend.

Also, I noticed that my taillights are model 6701A not X like the memo says (unless the X is generic) but I assume the issue is the same. I am going to try your number 4 this weekend once I find a switched source in the trunk fuse box. I just wonder though, if following #4 will still allow the tails to flash during locking and unlocking for a permanent installation.

I'm just glad that it starts and seems to be fine. I'll have to keep the low voltage key lock in mind in the future, but hopefully I won't have to deal with it again.

I really appreciate all of the advice in this thread!
__________________
Deke736 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.