Hybrid Camaro, new fuel economy rules = way higher price?

[joes3rdcamaro82/91/2010]

We all suspected a hybrid, maybe it is going to happen for real.

[ChevyMSU35]

Originally Posted by joes3rdcamaro82/91/2010

We all suspected a hybrid, maybe it is going to happen for real.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ghlight=hybrid

Hadn't seen that video yet, but people have been talking about the possibility of a hybrid camaro for a little while now.

[DGthe3]

seems like its the exact same story as what we read a few days ago

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

seems like its the exact same story as what we read a few days ago

Yup...same worth, too. (near zero!)

[Roflmao]

i posted this in another thread on the same topic

Originally Posted by Roflmao

To comment on the original post, I was at a Jaguar dealership yesterday talking to a friend of mine who works there and he explained the whole government regulations thing to me. According to him the regulations say the vehicle that a manufacturer sells the most of must get over 30mpg by 2008, this year, and they also did some tweaking as to how the actual measurement of gas milage is figured out to make it more accurate. So basically, all a manufacturer has to do is make sure the vehicle it sells the most of gets 30mpg or more. So for Ford, all they would do is flood the market with Focuses to meet the regulation, and then the Mustang would be free to do as it pleases. I'm not sure how future regulations are going to affect everything, I'll ask him about that next time I see him, but for right now it seems the Camaro and other RWD cars should be safe with the correct marketing by a manufacturer.

[Scotsman]

^Well your friend has given you misinformation. It's called Corporate Average Fuel Economy; meaning the average fuel economy of a fleet of vehicles a particular automotive corporation produces. It has nothing to do with an individual model but rather the entire fleet.

[The80sman]

I say the answer to all problems is Corn....Corn baby...corn..corn....dammit corn.

[The80sman]

Ethanol, from what i understand, has higher octane than gas. If cars would run on Ethanol... trust me these v8 engines would not lose that beautiful exhaust sound and still have that v8 power!!
But i dont hear that much about corn anymore...whats happening?....what about the corn?

[Mr. Wyndham]

It's become obsolete...like your computer from 3 years ago.
There are much more efficient, and practical ways to make ethanol - most noteably: Cellulosic Ethanol.
But, please - pop on over here, and discuss ethanol there

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...hlight=Ethanol

[The80sman]

Whoops...sorry about that....ill pick up my corn and go elsewhere

[radz28]

Originally Posted by The80sman

Whoops...sorry about that....ill pick up my corn and go elsewhere

[Roflmao]

Originally Posted by DerScotsman

^Well your friend has given you misinformation. It's called Corporate Average Fuel Economy; meaning the average fuel economy of a fleet of vehicles a particular automotive corporation produces. It has nothing to do with an individual model but rather the entire fleet.

Yes I understand that. But the fleet calculation is done by production numbers.


"A manufacturer’s CAFE is the fleet wide average fuel economy. Separate CAFE calculations are made for up to three potential fleets: domestic passenger cars, imported passenger cars and light trucks. The averaging method used is referred to as a “harmonic mean”. The regulatory language describes the calculation as: “the number of passenger automobiles manufactured by the manufacturer in a model year; divided by the sum of the fractions obtained by dividing the number of passenger automobiles of each model manufactured by the manufacturer in that model year by the fuel economy measured for that model.” The numerical example below illustrates the process. Assume that a hypothetical manufacturer produces four light truck models in 2004, where MPG means miles per gallon and GVWR means gross vehicle weight rating measured in lbs:"

Go to this link http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/cafe/overview.htm and scroll down to -How is a manufacturer’s CAFE determined for a given model year?- and they have a graph and calculation right there.

Given that calculation, chevrolet could manufacture the cobalt, aveo impala and maybe one other of the fleet to get over 30mpg to compensate for the camaro and corvette not getting quite that good of a gas milage and THEN make sure they sold X amount of those vehicles so the standard was met. So yes my friend informed me correctly.

[Georgianne]

Originally Posted by Roflmao

Yes I understand that. But the fleet calculation is done by production numbers.


Given that calculation, chevrolet could manufacture the cobalt, aveo impala and maybe one other of the fleet to get over 30mpg to compensate for the camaro and corvette not getting quite that good of a gas milage and THEN make sure they sold X amount of those vehicles so the standard was met. So yes my friend informed me correctly.

Looks like we will have to buy an extra vehicle to keep those numbers right. I would't mind having a cobalt sport. I rented one in Hawaii and I loved it. But I gotta have my Camaro also!

[smike07]

Supposedly the new CAFE regulations will affect the price of vehicles significantly. $6,000-$10,000 more!
That's like a big from our government! I don't mind paying extra for something that I ask for. I do mind paying for something that I could give a rat's @ss about. I'm with Lutz on this one!

If you would like to know where I got the information from, go to
http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-glo...tal-crock.html

[Mr. Wyndham]

Shouldn't effect prices NOW...but later on is a different story. And (trying not to be too political here) depending on whether the gov't will pay the 'difference' or even part of it will certainly have a big impact.....

That's my take on the whole deal. Sure, regulate - but don't expect it to come free. You can't MAKE technological advancements happen by yelling really loud, you have to pay them to advance.

[stovt001]

If the government were to "pay for it" they'd do so by stealing even more money from us than they are already illegally taking.

[Mr. Wyndham]

yeah well, that's where somebody who knows how to balance their own checkbook comes in handy as a President....
I'm SURE they've got a few million hiddin away somewhere in a dark corner that they've forgotten about.

[Jeff]

I should run for president in 8 or so years, who wants to be my campaign manager? lol kidding, but yes.. Some things in our government are so screwed up..

[smike07]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

yeah well, that's where somebody who knows how to balance their own checkbook comes in handy as a President....
I'm SURE they've got a few million hiddin away somewhere in a dark corner that they've forgotten about.

Yeah I'll agree with that! You know if Hillary gets into office her plans are to UNREALISTICALLY make it 65 MPG. What a moron! No offense to anyone who is voting for her, but she obviously has no idea what that would take. She probably thinks there are tiny oompaloompas under her hood cranking wheels every time she hits her gas! About that few million, yeah... for those who qualify. I'm sure you'd have to have fifteen children with an eight thousand dollar per year income, perfect credit, and live in an efficiency apartment to qualify. More than likely we're screwed. I just hope you're right about it not affecting the prices when the Camaro comes out. That would.

[09'Z28]

^ well the problem is that even the hybrids don't even get 50mpg (let alone 65) unless you happen to have a really long strait road handy then they pay off very little bit

[80Zedder]

Global warming is for suckers, i want my 3 mpg musclerod, and i want it now!

[TAG UR IT]

Regarding CAFE, is it the amount SOLD that has to meet CAFE requirements? Or, is it the total amount produced?

If it's the total amount sold, cut back on production of the gas guzzling trucks they have and raise the price just a teeny weeny bit. Either that, or make them all hybrid. It's the less fuel efficient veh's that are causing the problems. I don't see a problem w/ the Camaro because I honestly think the Camaro will get at or over 30mpg's HWY.

[GSX]

CAFE's not that bad if this is your dream car (100 mpg). But really I can't seem to find it in myself to drive something that is this performance lacking. Cars with 35 mpg standard will definitely kill people who enjoy the power V8s.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

If it's the total amount sold, cut back on production of the gas guzzling trucks they have and raise the price just a teeny weeny bit. Either that, or make them all hybrid. It's the less fuel efficient veh's that are causing the problems. I don't see a problem w/ the Camaro because I honestly think the Camaro will get at or over 30mpg's HWY.

I believe it is the total amount sold. B/C at the end of the year, they rack up who sold what - and then the tax comes (I think that's what I read).

So...

[Roflmao]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I believe it is the total amount sold. B/C at the end of the year, they rack up who sold what - and then the tax comes (I think that's what I read).

So...

No, its the amount manufactured. Go back to the link I posted earlier and it tells you in black and white how the calculation is done. Like I said, all chevy needs to do is produce the right proportions of each vehicle to meet the regulation, if anything they can cut the price of the car that gets the most gas milage by say.... 1000 bucks and distribute that cost over the 5 other models under the fleet to cover the cost, making each car only 200 bucks more expensive. They do that type of thing in the hospital industry all the time. The only question I would have would be what vehicle goes into what fleet.